deswind
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No new features - just fixes please
Just curious if others would agree. While I paid for a subscription - I am happy if no new synths or features are added.
If attention for a year could be paid just to glitches and the like, it is fine with me.
I know this is a very difficult task for software people. The customers have different operating systems, different soundcards, motherboards, ram, etc. And this complications and diversity of systems has only become more complicated over the years. If we all had the same computer, I have to assume it would all be a lot easier.
Given how difficult this all is, and how little the annual subscription renewal was ($99?) - I am very happy if a year is spent on just bug fixes.
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jyoung60
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 10:32:09
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☄ Helpfulby Redacted 2016/02/11 21:34:29
I can agree with that. Being a new Sonar user, I wouldn't mind forgoing new features for a year while the existing features get a tune-up. It might be an annoyance for some, but in the long run the benefits would far outweigh the temporary inconvenience. Besides, getting it cleaned up could mean less future bugs when features/tools are added.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 10:54:50
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☄ Helpfulby Redacted 2016/02/11 21:34:39
I tend to agree until I see some bit of voodoo accomplished in a competing product.
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charlyg
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 10:59:06
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☄ Helpfulby anxiousmofo 2016/02/11 11:06:17
One does not take away from the other, as has been stated MANY times. There are bug fixes every month, there are not new features promised every month....
Get over it.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 11:12:04
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/02/11 12:46:39
I would like to have my cake and walk it too.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 11:25:04
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2016/02/11 12:46:24
Imo the way the bakers have managed to handle the priority
of bugfixes in the monthly updates is perfect.
Sonar is getting more stable regular.....
In between I like
to get some new tools aso which have several times been
an inspiration for my songs in the last 12 months.
There are many different kind of musicians using Sonar
so that the best case is that for everybody is something in the update basket.
regards
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Paul P
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 11:38:03
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Pragi
Imo the way the bakers have managed to handle the priority
of bugfixes in the monthly updates is perfect.
Sonar is definitely getting cleaned up, but there are still some pretty important fixes needed. "Delete Hole" for MIDI being one under current discussion. I think it's these big issues that are implied when proposing to calm the new features down a bit.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 11:48:37
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Paul P
Pragi
Imo the way the bakers have managed to handle the priority
of bugfixes in the monthly updates is perfect.
Sonar is definitely getting cleaned up, but there are still some pretty important fixes needed. "Delete Hole" for MIDI being one under current discussion. I think it's these big issues that are implied when proposing to calm the new features down a bit.
Agreed, but imo no matter to do only bugfixes for 1 year . But there could be more bugfixes on the priority list, if most Sonarians like.
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charlyg
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 11:59:32
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☄ Helpfulby marled 2016/03/06 15:43:56
All I can say is, the midi thing is not a big bug for me. So is it, fix my bug first, or does it affect the majority of users? That and how hard(or how long it takes) a particular fix will be to implement without affecting anything else is how they set priorities. I am pretty sure they don't set priorities by the "loudness" of the complaints, especially if it is a small group of folks.
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Paul P
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 12:29:44
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charlyg
All I can say is, the midi thing is not a big bug for me. So is it, fix my bug first, or does it affect the majority of users? That and how hard(or how long it takes) a particular fix will be to implement without affecting anything else is how they set priorities. I am pretty sure they don't set priorities by the "loudness" of the complaints, especially if it is a small group of folks.
Except that in the case I mentioned, it's like if in Microsoft Word select/delete replaced text with spaces. Would anybody accept that ? We're talking the most basic of midi editing.
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charlyg
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 12:49:24
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Evidently not basic enough for me. I use EZD2 and EZKeys and they handle all the midi(loops) I need.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 13:24:42
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☄ Helpfulby Redacted 2016/02/11 21:35:07
I agree. Bugfixes and usability fixes.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 15:37:37
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Charlyg, You obviously don't do a lot of MIDI editing. Some of us do. Why chime in and post that you don't need or want that fix? A bit narcissistic, no?
Fixes help everyone, including Cakewalk. The more stable Sonar gets, EVERYONE wins.
I vote for at least a few months of just fixes and stability issues. NO new features.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 15:42:55
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I'm pretty sure (as charly said) there are different people working on different projects. I doubt think the people working on Rapture Session are also working on bug fixes. It would seem to me that there have been more fixes over the past year than ever before.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 15:58:10
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I like both. For the most part I am not all that turned on by bug fixes even when its a bug that bothers me. I am turned on by new features. I know bug fixes are very important. That doesn't mean the boy in me is satisfied by them. Besides some features that we got in 2015 were fantastic. Also as a marketing strategy I can't see how that would play well. A list of bug fixes and nothing else. Maybe only a true nerd could get excited by that. I don't see myself being wowed by that.
The above is how I think about this. This is how I act. I look at the list of bug fixes for each update carefully. I also look at new features with far more interest.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 16:08:18
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☄ Helpfulby dwardzala 2016/02/11 17:15:49
You guys are leaving out a third category, which is "Improvements to existing tools". Examples would be improvements to:
- Step sequencer
- ACT
- Drum Maps
- PRV
- Take System
- Inspector
- MIDI Arpeggiator
- Browser
- Mixer (why only two views, narrow and wide? Should be more options so I can see all info on only half of the vertical screen)
There's a ton of tools which would benefit from better functionality or a facelift.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 16:16:13
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And don't forget the Matrix; also an existing tool needing love.
I don't really see how a "bug fixes only" approach would work for Cakewalk in marketing to new customers-- "The software is so broken that all we are doing is fixing it. Subscribe and see!"
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 16:30:10
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From the marketing point of view, user interface improvements were highly touted for the early X series (wrongly, since it took several years and they still aren't universally loved or always beautiful. So fixing bugs enables claims of "newly efficient user interface" and "more beautiful and configurable screen real estate" and "blazing new speed".
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John T
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 16:58:04
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Over the last year, I've made heavy use of Drum Replacer, Vocal Alignment, and I've used the new Aux track functionality on every mix since it's been available. I'm also glad of bug fixes and refinement, but in terms of actually getting my job done, those three things, and a handful of others have been definitely more valuable than any bug fix I can recall in the same period.
I think if Sonar went for a feature freeze, that would give some other DAW the opportunity to significantly pull ahead. And while I'm fond of the company and all, I'd switch if something else had a stronger feature set. I'd also switch if bugs were so egregious they got in the way. I think they've got the balance more or less right.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 16:59:49
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Can someone explain to me what the reproducible bugs are supposed to be for matrix view? Or is it more about additional functionality?
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 17:49:37
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deswind
If attention for a year could be paid just to glitches and the like, it is fine with me
+1
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anxiousmofo
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 17:55:11
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Craig:
Additional functionality. It is a shadow of what it should be. It only launches clips, whereas competitor products like Ableton or Bitwig allow recording audio or MIDI (via loaded soft synths) into the same slots clips use, doing live looping, triggering recorded live loops on and off, etc.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 18:16:34
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Thanks for the info, okay, so it's not bugs...I assume whether functionality should be added or not would depend on being able to know how many people use it, and I don't think there's any way to know. As an FYI I use Ableton Live for live performance because it does what it does so well...however it doesn't do what SONAR does, which is why I use SONAR in the studio. I'm not sure how advantageous it would be for SONAR to do what Live does, as opposed to being the ultimate SONAR (which of course involves optimizations).
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 18:24:11
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These "no new features please" sentiments come up fairly often in the forums and I think what a lot of people don't understand is that unless Cakewalk continually attract new users with spanking new features, there won't be any revenue with which to continue fixing bugs. Same thing with the oft-spoken "I don't care for anything aimed at the young EDM crowd, I just use Sonar as a glorified tape machine" comments. They HAVE to remain competitive and that means new features and things aimed at a younger electronic-oriented market. Personally I think they're doing a good job of maintaining a balance.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 18:27:22
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As for the Matrix, well I think there's a lot that could be done there and I hope the Bakers have it on their agenda. Personally I haven't really taken advantage of it because the first couple of times I tried to use it, Sonar crashed so hard that it locked my whole computer up to the point where I was forced to power down to reboot. I still don't know what was going on there but understandably I've been a little apprehensive about firing it up ever since. I've heard people complaining about it not working as advertised a few times but I don't have any first hand experience of it. I think they ought to be aiming for something that works as well as Ableton's session view.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 18:38:41
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2016/02/11 20:02:09
deswind
Just curious if others would agree. While I paid for a subscription - I am happy if no new synths or features are added.
Exactly where did you pay for a "subscription"? Cakewalk sells annual memberships that you can either pay in full up front or on a monthly payment plan. I see no "subscription" offering from Cakewalk.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 18:40:55
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jatoth
I vote for at least a few months of just fixes and stability issues. NO new features.
Where's the ballot? Have I not been invited to the party?
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 18:49:55
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rlared
You guys are leaving out a third category, which is "Improvements to existing tools". Examples would be improvements to:
- Step sequencer
- ACT
- Drum Maps
- PRV
- Take System
- Inspector
- MIDI Arpeggiator
- Browser
- Mixer (why only two views, narrow and wide? Should be more options so I can see all info on only half of the vertical screen)
There's a ton of tools which would benefit from better functionality or a facelift.
+1
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 18:53:36
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Anderton
Thanks for the info, okay, so it's not bugs...I assume whether functionality should be added or not would depend on being able to know how many people use it, and I don't think there's any way to know. As an FYI I use Ableton Live for live performance because it does what it does so well...however it doesn't do what SONAR does, which is why I use SONAR in the studio. I'm not sure how advantageous it would be for SONAR to do what Live does, as opposed to being the ultimate SONAR (which of course involves optimizations).
Understood. I think the point is that it would take some of Ableton's market share and that existing users would not have to pay for two DAW's and attendant upgrade costs. This frees up funds for continuing with SONAR. I would also like to see SONAR trounce the competition in many areas, and that would be a step in the right direction. Anyway, enough of my hijacking the thread. I'm already paid up through Fall 2017 and am hoping SOMETHING positive happens with the Matrix by then. If it doesn't, I guess I'll have hard decisions to make.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/11 19:11:25
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sharke
These "no new features please" sentiments come up fairly often in the forums and I think what a lot of people don't understand is that unless Cakewalk continually attract new users with spanking new features, there won't be any revenue with which to continue fixing bugs. Same thing with the oft-spoken "I don't care for anything aimed at the young EDM crowd, I just use Sonar as a glorified tape machine" comments. They HAVE to remain competitive and that means new features and things aimed at a younger electronic-oriented market. Personally I think they're doing a good job of maintaining a balance.
Fo sho. Myself, about 70% of what I do comes in the "glorified tape machine" category. In that I mainly record and mix bands playing guitars and basses and drums and pianos and so on. But even then, some of the tools aimed at the EDM kids are useful to me, and also, it's 2016, so I find myself occasionally working with those EDM kids. Honestly, if anyone really wants a machine that never crashes that you can do what you could do in 1995, you can pick up an o2r on ebay for way less than a PC+Sonar+Audio Interface. But nobody does that. Because nobody *really* wants that. Spend a day in 02R world, and you'll soon become free of nostalgia.
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