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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/10 05:49:30
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Anderton
Radio edits are done on the master, not the multitrack.
Yes, and in analog tape days that was the only practical method to use. However, I see there are many situations where editing multitrack gives better results; editing split points in multitrack gives you option to finetune split points at track level. Also reverbs and delays are not cut in the middle of decay time.
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/10 06:09:09
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☄ Helpfulby panup 2016/12/10 06:23:20
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Anderton
Radio edits are done on the master, not the multitrack.
Also reverbs and delays are not cut in the middle of decay time.
^^^^^ That's always been the exclusion for me. ^^^^^ However, a good editor can put a band aid on anything. I never suggest layering reverbs or delays. If done properly, one can give the illusion of a false tail. I have achieved this by using EQ to filter out certain frequency's then add reverb or delay to only those frequency's on a separate Master track. As I said before, it is a band aid but sometimes you can stumble on to a flavor which was not there to begin with.
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/10 10:31:43
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On the extremely rare occasions where cutting on the master was problematic, I've just created premixes of the sections that were going to be spliced and crossfaded or mixed the premixes before creating the master. A recent example is where a delay with lots of feedback from the vocal spilled over into a solo. I wanted to cut the solo in half, discarding the first half and keeping the second. In this case I did have to go back to the multitrack, but I could use the same basic principle of working with the master.
I muted everything in the first half of the solo and created a premix where everything stopped at the beginning of the solo except for the vocal echo. I then did a premix of the song starting from the second half of the solo, brought the two premixes into a new track and bounced them into a new clip. This way the echo spilled over the second half, without having to edit/disrupt the multitrack.
I then took the master, shortened the intro, and sped it up just a tad in the LCV - done. I unmuted the sections that had been muted, and the multitrack was back to where it was.
To me one of the huge advantages of a multitrack DAW is having all those tracks available for premixes. You can do all kinds of cool things splicing premixes together to create the final master.
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/10 19:52:37
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/10 21:44:16
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1. Select all tracks.
2. Split all clips at the beginning of the edit.
3. Split all clips at the end of the edit.
4. Select all tracks, select the time range on the timeline.
5. Cut Special
Click on all of the options, including delete hole.
6. Enjoy.
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/10 21:47:47
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The only problem with the above is if you have MIDI tracks where notes go over the splits. SONAR seems to have an allergy to creating a new MIDI note where formerly, there was only one.
If you're working only with audio, or notes don't extend over splits, what you describe works fine.
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/10 22:51:05
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Any newly created MIDI notes would be deleted in step 5, no?
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/11 03:52:56
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Not just issues with MIDI. If you have tempo changes or differences between or around edit points, coupled with a lot of smaller.audio clips, then everything after the delete can get severely messed up. I know, it's happened more than enough times.
The workaround for me is to bounce a lot of the clips together first AND make sure the audio clips start at the same point.
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/11 03:55:22
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VariousArtist
The workaround for me is to bounce a lot of the clips together first AND make sure the audio clips start at the same point.
Indeed. Bounce to clips should be utilized as step one, when prudent, which is most of the time.
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/11 04:18:53
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morganfm71
1. Select all tracks.
2. Split all clips at the beginning of the edit.
3. Split all clips at the end of the edit.
4. Select all tracks, select the time range on the timeline.
5. Cut Special
Click on all of the options, including delete hole.
6. Enjoy.
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Re: Is there still no way to clear empty meassures in the middle of the song?
2016/12/11 04:25:12
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