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Re: Thoughts on Sonar 2017/01/06 08:36:00 (permalink)
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From the very far side of the twisted mind of telejazz
 
Last night was New Years Eve and Three of the top rated DAW's in the music world were looking to party and have a real good time..
Since I gave up drinking and drugging years ago they had asked me to be the designated driver for their evening out.
I knew they were looking for some good clean fun so our first stop was the fun house of a Carnival ...
As we all stood there in the room full of mirrors we all decided to play a little game of mirror mirror on the wall ...
After drawing USB sticks to determine who would go first they each took a turn at the mirror ...
 
Abelton Live 9 stepped up to the mirror first and said "mirror mirror on the wall who's the coolest DAW of them all "
Now I was standing there and I have to say I started getting a little scared when the room got so quiet I could hear my heart beating loudly in my chest .
Then all of a sudden Kaboom ...the mirror lit up and in one big flash of light the mirror exploded into a thousand  pieces of reflective glass  just like a diamond .
The next thing I know is we are all in a room with a few thousand people dancing .
The girls are looking so hot and sexy under the flashing lights as they danced to The EDM music coming out of the sub-woofers . I was like WHOA what rock have I been hiding under all these years ..
Then I see Abelton walk over to the DJ and they start doing some high fives .
The next thing I know the DJ hands Abelton the headphones and steps aside from his rig and turns the reins of his sound rig over to Abelton ...
The beat started getting real tribal ...mixed in with a little bit of jungle vibe w a touch of poly rhythmic action going on.
Things went on like that for about a set . I didn't want to leave because I was having way to much fun ..
 
Next thing we all know were back in the room full of mirrors ....
After giving our self's a few moments to regain our composure we eagerly awaited for Pro Tools turn at the mirror
 
Pro Tools walks up to the mirror , clasps his hands , cracks his knuckles and says
"mirror mirror on the wall who's the most professional DAW of them all "
Now at this point I have to admit that I wasn't half as scared as I was before only because I had some idea that something was gonna happen ..What it was i did not know , but I was ready for it or so i thought .
It was then the ground began to shake as the room grew dark . The edges of the mirror became golden filled with jewels and precious stones much like a picture would be framed in an art museum if the museum was only displaying rare priceless riches  .
A great winged Lion greeted us as we walked through the mirror and just like a magic carpet we rode on his back through the sky to a purple waterfall where he bid us goodbye and told us to ascend . As we made our way ascending up the great purple waterfall  I was struck by the fact that the water was not water at all .
The waterfall  was composed of great beams of purifying  purple light and the sensation of rising felt more like a form of levitation. 
Once we got to the top a great marble room with large pillars was revealed to us ..
I could hear the gentle strains of music permeating through out the great hall .
It was then it happened . The room became filled with the sound of music ever so sublime .
As the music played great recording studios of all pedigree started to materialize in their full glory in this great marble hall ..
I was struck by the beauty of it all .
As each studio appeared the room was filled with the familiar sounds of music I had hear before ...
The stark realization started to hit me that there were no engineers or studio workers in any of the studios that were magnificently passing before my eyes and ears ...
Then a great laughter shook the hall ...
I looked around to determine the source of this laughter and to my surprise  I had caught out of the corner on my eye Pro Tools smiling at me with a mischievous benevolent smile on his face  ...      
I asked Pro Tools "where is everybody "?  "all the engineers and studio staff ?"
Pro Tools smiled at me and said " everybody is here , they are just taking a well deserved break " " would you like to meet them "?
I said "sure I would love to meet some of these super talented people ...I could sure learn a lot from them "
Pro Tools said " sure lets go I'll introduce you "  
After walking down a large hallway for what seemed like a mile and a half I started to hear the muffled sound of people having fun on the other side of the large doorway I was standing in front of....
Pro Tools placed a hand on my shoulder and asked me " are you ready for this "? I said " yeah I'm ready "
The large darkly  stained Oak door swung wide open and to tell you the truth I was actually a little bit surprised at what I saw ..
I saw what looked like to me a large banquet room just like  something you would see in a royal castle or something like that but instead of tables for eating and dining it looked like the room was set up for parlor games ..
One things for sure it looked and sounded like everybody in there was having a lot of fun ...
As my eyes adjusted to the lighting of the room I did a double take and turned to Pro Tools and asked " are they doing what I think they are doing " ? Pro Tools looked at me and gave me a non verbal nod of his head ..
It didn't matter that I had tried to speak in a calm voice ...I did try as hard as I could to ...honestly I did ..
I remember blurting out in what must have sounded like an adolescent virgins teens voice  who was attending his first pajama party where someone gave him his first look at a girly mags pin up  centerfold ....
OMG. I shouted as my voice broke and my throat cackled ...
WOOOSH the room fell silent and everybody looked at me for a sec ..after what seemed an eternity to me everybody just went back to what they were doing ...
I looked at Pro Tools and said " Hey they are all playing cards " Pro Tools looked at me and said " Yeah I know "
I said " Yeah , but they ain't using money or chips ...they are using piles of Platinum and Gold Records instead ."
Pro Tools smiled , looked me dead in the eye and said " Yep , money isn't everything Kenny , look at the bright side when you start making and getting some of those type of chips , you can pretty much write your own check "
I said " Amen "
 
WHOA what happened ? I'm back in the room full of mirrors again ...
 
Up next is SONAR ....just as SONAR was making it's way to the mirror the mirror says "stop wait for a second" ..
Then the mirror looks at me and asks " say aren't you the designated driver for this crew " ?
I say " yes I am , but i didn't draw a USB stick to get a turn " Then the mirror said " don't worry about it "
"Are you a member of the SONAR Forum " I say " Yes I am "
The mirror asks " Are you in good standing over there "?
I say " it depends on who you ask ..I think I'm on thin ice most of the time "
The mirror says "Good " I say " Really " ?
The mirror says " Yeah kid that means there's room for growth "
"now look into my eyes and tell me what you see"
I say to the mirror " you don't want me to do the mirror mirror thing "?  the mirror again says "NO "
" look into my eyes and tell me what you see"
OK mirror " I see a buterfly standing on a leaf proudly talking with a cocoon " 
good Kenny " what do you think that means ? "
" hhhhmm , a butterfly didn't start out as a butterfly right ? a butterfly started out as a Caterpillar , then it went into a cocoon and eventually it became a butterfly "
 " Very Good Telejazz there is hope for you yet " 
" Hey mirror , so what do you want me to do here " ?
" I want you to go back to the forum and tell them the story of the butterfly and I want you to tell it just like this "
 
There once was a butterfly who was overheard telling a cocoon "Yes you too can fly someday once you drop the cocoon "
 
You got that K....
" yeah I got it ..man there gonna kill me over there for saying all this stuff and posting it "
Hey K don't worry about it ...you ain't exactly flying yet either your self ..you still got the protection of the cocoon ..
" Yeah that's true " "do you think they might get where your going with this "?
" some will some won't ...if they don't like it they can always pick up the story where you left off right " ?
Yeah that might work
OK then .....
 
Happy New Years '
 
Kenny


This is a great bit of writing.  Highly imaginative and inventive.  Worth the reading.  And Kenny you are in very good standing on this forum.  Did some one say psychedelic?  
 
 




 
But........but.....but.......erm......... I thought that long winded posts were against the rules ?
 

 
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3537972
 
#whenitsuits
 
 
 
 




 No doubt quoting long posts is frowned upon too
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Thoughts on Sonar 2017/01/06 10:59:25 (permalink)
I like frowning.....

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Re: Thoughts on Sonar 2017/01/06 12:52:00 (permalink)
every time Sonar gets mentioned over at the KVR forums, a pack of wolves encircles it & makes mincemeat out of it

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Re: Thoughts on Sonar 2017/01/11 07:52:56 (permalink)
John
 
This is a great bit of writing.  Highly imaginative and inventive.  Worth the reading.  And Kenny you are in very good standing on this forum.  Did some one say psychedelic?
 
 



Hi John ,
I'm delighted to find out that you enjoyed reading aspects of my little story For me it was a real joy to write ...
Sometimes online when I'm expressing myself I feel like I'm walking across a frozen lake where the ice separates and I got one foot on one little section of ice , while the other foot is on another .. this is a bit of a balancing act when it happens ...
Psychedelia was a big part of my youthful days ...back then I needed external stimulus ...
Now I can go there at will providing I show no fear to the darker side of my imaginative powers ...
nice rapping w you John...
 
paulo
John
kennywtelejazz
From the very far side of the twisted mind of telejazz
 
Last night was New Years Eve and Three of the top rated DAW's in the music world were looking to party and have a real good time..
 
OK then .....long story ..cut to the chase
 
Happy New Years '
 
Kenny


This is a great bit of writing.  Highly imaginative and inventive.  Worth the reading.  And Kenny you are in very good standing on this forum.  Did some one say psychedelic?  
 
 




 
But........but.....but.......erm......... I thought that long winded posts were against the rules ?
 

 
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3537972
 
#whenitsuits
 



Hey Paulo ,
You are sending me a mixed message here Homer
First you quote my highly original creative work & intellectual property .
Then you try to throw me under the bus in an attempt to make John look bad for having enjoyed what he read in my story .
 
I fail to see how you can justify  posting a link to a thread where Les had already posted no less that 5 posts much longer than mine that were basically Rants .
 
What does that have to do with my post here in this thread in the first place ?
On a conceptual level there is nothing I have said in my post that resembles anything along the lines of how and the type of form and style of  communication Les chooses to express himself in ..
As far as whether people like or dislike what I have posted ? my skin is thick enough to just  Live and Let Live bro...
Anyway , as far as I'm concerned John was doing his GIG as a forum mod ...
Had the shoe wound up on the other foot with John disliking my post . I would have respected his judgment call as a forum mod ...
 
Peace ....
 
 
 
 
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Hi Steve ...my buddy ...
 
I feel Congratulations ....are in order ...
You have successfully found out the name my earthbound parents had given me on my Birth Certificate ...
 
all the best,
 
Kenny
 
 

                   
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Re: Thoughts on Sonar 2017/01/11 12:30:33 (permalink)
I would have stopped sooner but I was far away and then after I got back I was still far away!
Is it just me? or was it just me? Always random... always unreliable!
 
Hum? Let’s see, in the last 24 hour… off the top of my head…
Moving a audio wav file, (audio dropout) 1 in 3 times.  
Audio drop out when creating or moving the loop bar.
Using two monitors, floating control bar over to 2nd monitor (console view) control bar moves behind console view any time you click on any console features. I had to move or close console view to get back to the control bar. All (yes even 64 bit plugins) also end up behind console view!
No metronome…
I’ve never see nudge work!
BIG ONE! When mixing, out of know where your sound changes! WTH? Look around and once again!!! ProCh has “turned on” randomly on any random number of tracks! Never the same, no clue why!
Exported to a wav file then imported it to a new project. It plays fine but the visual of the wav was from 0db to full track db. I had to re-export.
I have had a few full dumps out of Splat, the last one was VX-64 related. Waves Abby Road Plates and the Sonitus Reverb as well. So, I guess that’s a reverb thing to crash Splat. But that’s in Win 10 with 2016 12. (Running a large load of random plugins. )
 Just a few random issues in Sonar Platinum. Well I must admit that all of these issues have been going on forever and I’m still using win 8.1 on my main system with Splat 2016 9 because any never version will only work in Win 10… and still buggy at that! But more buggy in win 8.1.
Life time of updates? What’s the point when they can’t even fix things that have been going on since Splat 2015 3 or whatever it was called.  And yet system requirements are still Windows 7, 8/8.1 or 10 (32- or 64-bit) But it’s all me! I must be doing something wrong! ALL IMO…
I do like having all the Splat tools but I really don’t use many if any. I just wish they would put as much energy into fixing simple “daily use” features before piling too much new stuff on top of a bad foundation! I would blame the department heads for that! Or maybe they call them “team leaders”.
Hum? “project manager” Overlords? Fearless leader? The big cheese? The MrBIG head? Mr. Potato Head? Burt and Erne? The Big Bird? Darth Vader? Coroticus Pots? “The Dream Weaver!” Rug Weaver? Captain Kangaroo? Scooby Doo? Chia pet? Clap on Clap off… Ron Popeil? Hum that may work…
 
Wow! The virus scan on my other laptop is almost done…
Well that’s all I have… lol and frankly I just don't care! but you see we have like this snow event and I'm just waiting until spring and maybe a Splat update that fixies stuff that's not working... 
I’ve been up for like 30 hours so forgive me if I drool on anyone! ;)

Hay look,
Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Re: Thoughts on Sonar 2017/01/11 22:51:03 (permalink)
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I would have stopped sooner but I was far away and then after I got back I was still far away!
Is it just me? or was it just me? Always random... always unreliable!
 
Hum? Let’s see, in the last 24 hour… off the top of my head…
Moving a audio wav file, (audio dropout) 1 in 3 times.  
Audio drop out when creating or moving the loop bar.
Using two monitors, floating control bar over to 2nd monitor (console view) control bar moves behind console view any time you click on any console features. I had to move or close console view to get back to the control bar. All (yes even 64 bit plugins) also end up behind console view!
No metronome…
I’ve never see nudge work!
BIG ONE! When mixing, out of know where your sound changes! WTH? Look around and once again!!! ProCh has “turned on” randomly on any random number of tracks! Never the same, no clue why!
Exported to a wav file then imported it to a new project. It plays fine but the visual of the wav was from 0db to full track db. I had to re-export.
I have had a few full dumps out of Splat, the last one was VX-64 related. Waves Abby Road Plates and the Sonitus Reverb as well. So, I guess that’s a reverb thing to crash Splat. But that’s in Win 10 with 2016 12. (Running a large load of random plugins. )
 Just a few random issues in Sonar Platinum. Well I must admit that all of these issues have been going on forever and I’m still using win 8.1 on my main system with Splat 2016 9 because any never version will only work in Win 10… and still buggy at that! But more buggy in win 8.1.
Life time of updates? What’s the point when they can’t even fix things that have been going on since Splat 2015 3 or whatever it was called.  And yet system requirements are still Windows 7, 8/8.1 or 10 (32- or 64-bit) But it’s all me! I must be doing something wrong! ALL IMO…
I do like having all the Splat tools but I really don’t use many if any. I just wish they would put as much energy into fixing simple “daily use” features before piling too much new stuff on top of a bad foundation! I would blame the department heads for that! Or maybe they call them “team leaders”.
Hum? “project manager” Overlords? Fearless leader? The big cheese? The MrBIG head? Mr. Potato Head? Burt and Erne? The Big Bird? Darth Vader? Coroticus Pots? “The Dream Weaver!” Rug Weaver? Captain Kangaroo? Scooby Doo? Chia pet? Clap on Clap off… Ron Popeil? Hum that may work…
 
Wow! The virus scan on my other laptop is almost done…
Well that’s all I have… lol and frankly I just don't care! but you see we have like this snow event and I'm just waiting until spring and maybe a Splat update that fixies stuff that's not working... 
I’ve been up for like 30 hours so forgive me if I drool on anyone! ;)


wow man. that is a lot of problems.
Im using windows 8.1 with a Focusrite scarlett 18I8 and running so freakin good its not even funny.
matter of fact today I asked myself when the last crash I had was because I was working for like 1 1/2 hours without saving (im a fool) and I couldn't remember the last crash..but I do, it was last April (The day before Easter)
 
I use Sonar almost 8 hours a day (Monday thru Friday) Yes there are quirks and things that bother me here or there, but I would suspect a faulty AI or possibly a driver/hardware problem with all these issues you are having.
Because almost everything you mentioned works well here. Sorry to hear about your issues. not much in your sig so I wish I could offer some advise but I really don't know what kind of Audio card or set up you have.

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Focusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
   
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Re: Thoughts on Sonar 2017/01/12 02:31:22 (permalink)
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I would have stopped sooner but I was far away and then after I got back I was still far away!
Is it just me? or was it just me? Always random... always unreliable!
 
Hum? Let’s see, in the last 24 hour… off the top of my head…
Moving a audio wav file, (audio dropout) 1 in 3 times.  
Audio drop out when creating or moving the loop bar.
Using two monitors, floating control bar over to 2nd monitor (console view) control bar moves behind console view any time you click on any console features. I had to move or close console view to get back to the control bar. All (yes even 64 bit plugins) also end up behind console view!
No metronome…
I’ve never see nudge work!
BIG ONE! When mixing, out of know where your sound changes! WTH? Look around and once again!!! ProCh has “turned on” randomly on any random number of tracks! Never the same, no clue why!
Exported to a wav file then imported it to a new project. It plays fine but the visual of the wav was from 0db to full track db. I had to re-export.
I have had a few full dumps out of Splat, the last one was VX-64 related. Waves Abby Road Plates and the Sonitus Reverb as well. So, I guess that’s a reverb thing to crash Splat. But that’s in Win 10 with 2016 12. (Running a large load of random plugins. )
 Just a few random issues in Sonar Platinum. Well I must admit that all of these issues have been going on forever and I’m still using win 8.1 on my main system with Splat 2016 9 because any never version will only work in Win 10… and still buggy at that! But more buggy in win 8.1.
Life time of updates? What’s the point when they can’t even fix things that have been going on since Splat 2015 3 or whatever it was called.  And yet system requirements are still Windows 7, 8/8.1 or 10 (32- or 64-bit) But it’s all me! I must be doing something wrong! ALL IMO…
I do like having all the Splat tools but I really don’t use many if any. I just wish they would put as much energy into fixing simple “daily use” features before piling too much new stuff on top of a bad foundation! I would blame the department heads for that! Or maybe they call them “team leaders”.
Hum? “project manager” Overlords? Fearless leader? The big cheese? The MrBIG head? Mr. Potato Head? Burt and Erne? The Big Bird? Darth Vader? Coroticus Pots? “The Dream Weaver!” Rug Weaver? Captain Kangaroo? Scooby Doo? Chia pet? Clap on Clap off… Ron Popeil? Hum that may work…
 
Wow! The virus scan on my other laptop is almost done…
Well that’s all I have… lol and frankly I just don't care! but you see we have like this snow event and I'm just waiting until spring and maybe a Splat update that fixies stuff that's not working... 
I’ve been up for like 30 hours so forgive me if I drool on anyone! ;)


wow man. that is a lot of problems.
Im using windows 8.1 with a Focusrite scarlett 18I8 and running so freakin good its not even funny.
matter of fact today I asked myself when the last crash I had was because I was working for like 1 1/2 hours without saving (im a fool) and I couldn't remember the last crash..but I do, it was last April (The day before Easter)
 
I use Sonar almost 8 hours a day (Monday thru Friday) Yes there are quirks and things that bother me here or there, but I would suspect a faulty AI or possibly a driver/hardware problem with all these issues you are having.
Because almost everything you mentioned works well here. Sorry to hear about your issues. not much in your sig so I wish I could offer some advise but I really don't know what kind of Audio card or set up you have.


its all good, I really don't care, it's like mixing in a war zone... lol, It just fun to vent.... and like I may have said I was mixing from around 9am until the next day. ( I'm not good at it ) but I do move fast. One thing I do way too much is save, save , save.... same file saves and transition saves as new names. I started adding the date to my file name. it helps me stay organized. I also save CWBs around ever 3 hours.   
 
peace!

Hay look,
Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Re: Thoughts on Sonar 2017/01/12 08:30:14 (permalink)
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every time Sonar gets mentioned over at the KVR forums, a pack of wolves encircles it & makes mincemeat out of it




I have noticed that.  Does anyone know why?
 
(I'm not very familiar with the history of Sonar)
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