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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/25 19:09:00 (permalink)
In a way it is a bit positive that it is not a confirmed or "official" statement. If a sale is still in the works, an authorization crack, or official announcement of one, may sour any possible sale of CW. What would the new company have to sell if we already have it all?
 
By putting out a rumor (for lack of a better word), I see it helping to dampen some flames without being completely committed. Yep, some doubts and distrust still exist but I will stay positive that either a sale of CW or an authorization file will happen. Ok, some may call me a fool.

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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/25 21:25:10 (permalink)
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I don’t understand why people want to be negative. Too many people getting worked up over what they haven’t got a clue about.

Because spreading word about some as-yet mythical unlock mechanism could discourage some people from doing the smart things we all should be doing now if we care about our music i.e. going through old projects and exporting anything we might need in the future, investigating new DAWs to migrate to, etc.. It really does no good to spread word about this potential unlock mechanism or about some escrow agreement that none of us have seen. 
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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/25 21:37:30 (permalink)
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Because spreading word about some as-yet mythical unlock mechanism could discourage some people from doing the smart things we all should be doing now if we care about our music i.e. going through old projects and exporting anything we might need in the future, investigating new DAWs to migrate to, etc.. It really does no good to spread word about this potential unlock mechanism or about some escrow agreement that none of us have seen. 



SONAR X3, or X2, or X1.... are already installable without the Activation Servers, as long as you grab your activation codes from "My Products" before that isn't available. While SPLAT is really nice and an improvement over the previous versions, they are still quite usable, too.
 
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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/25 23:30:44 (permalink)
What would be great to have the ability to activate Sonar in case of the need to re-install it and someone on hand to fix it if Windows' breaks it with an update...and Gibson should hire someone to do this, especially for those of use who were suckered into the 'lifetime updates' purchase. I'm being naive though as trusting someone or something = positive predictability over time. Many predicted this and/or were skeptical when the 'deal' was being offered with all the sweet insurances trickling from whoever at the time was selling this to us gullible end users. 
 
It's difficult to trust anything coming from admin at this point. All I know is that I'll have to at some point go out and spend more money to get a product that I don't really want. 

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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/25 23:30:44 (permalink)
What would be great to have the ability to activate Sonar in case of the need to re-install it and someone on hand to fix it if Windows' breaks it with an update...and Gibson should hire someone to do this, especially for those of use who were suckered into the 'lifetime updates' purchase. I'm being naive though as trusting someone or something = positive predictability over time. Many predicted this and/or were skeptical when the 'deal' was being offered with all the sweet insurances trickling from whoever at the time was selling this to us gullible end users. 
 
It's difficult to trust anything coming from admin at this point. All I know is that I'll have to at some point go out and spend more money to get a product that I don't really want. 

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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/25 23:49:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Wibbles 2017/11/26 00:41:33
I think people are worked up precisely because they don't have a clue.

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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/26 00:41:06 (permalink)
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I think people are worked up precisely because they don't have a clue.

 
Too true.

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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/26 03:45:59 (permalink)


Can you REALLY blame people for being:
  • Angry
  • Skeptical
  • Worried
  • Distrustful
since the rug just got pulled out from under them out of the clear blue sky on Thanksgiving week no less?  Of course, Cakewalk employees have things worse in the real life sweepstakes, and I doubt anyone would realistically deny that. 

But still, given the circumstances, the complete lack of reassurances from Gibson, a general lack of knowledge in the buyer's actual rights in this matter and the somewhat cryptic nature of the sticky in question (I for one had no idea what or where you were referring to at all) I think maybe you could quit complaining over a lack of appreciation and cut folks some slack, don't you?  



Customers have every right to be upset, angry, and or distrustful of Cakewalk/Gibson, the corporations - the remaining/former employees are not the target here. The target is the company that has been taking OUR money right up to the very day the doors were locked, when at least some at Cakewalk had to be aware of what was coming. If that was illegal or not is an argument for another day, (or perhaps for a court to decide), but in the meantime, no one should feel that it's wrong to voice their own personal feelings about this entire mess, no matter what those feelings may be. 

That said, as far as the actual rights that buyers of Sonar have, that is simple - for a fully paid for version of Sonar the buyer has the right to use that version of the software - until the end of time. This is spelled out clearly in the  Sonar license,

"...Once the annual Membership is paid in full, Licensee will own the perpetual license to versions of their Product released during their active membership period."

and used to be a major marketing point used by Cakewalk to promote Sonar, and why Sonar was the better choice. Any attempt by the remains of Cakewalk, or Gibson, or any subsequent owner of the Sonar source code or IP to interfere in that right, (for example, by shutting down the auth. servers without releasing a patch to remove the need for those servers), would be a serious breach of the contracted license terms, and would without a doubt lead to legal action being filed against Cakewalk/Gibson by someone, (or a class action).

And against even a basiclly closed down company like Cakewalk, or an apparently on-the-way-to-oblivion company like Gibson, there is a valid reason such a lawsuit would be worth filing - the goal being the court ordered seizure of the Sonar source code, and it's transfer to a court designated third party, who would then make that source available for review by licensed Sonar users on request, (which would enable the community as a whole to come up with it's own way of patching the program to remove the need to authorize at install). However, there is a limited window of opportunity to take such legal action, which would preferably be either prior to Cakewalk being legally dissolved as a corporate entity, (if that is what Gibson has planned), or before the rumored possible bankruptcy of Gibson itself. 

This is why I currently do not trust any comments about a future "patch" being made by anyone connected with Cakewalk - if Cakewalk/Gibson is going to try and "pull a fast one" on it's own customers, (something I am sure none of us want to believe they would do, but which is still a possibility), and leave us all hanging with useless software that can no longer be activated, then it is in their own best interests legally to string us all along with empty promises for as long as possible - to prevent any legal action being taken by angry customers who feel that they have been taken advantage of. 

I want to believe that Cakewalk will do the right thing by their customers, as they always have done, the only question is will Gibson allow them to....?
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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/26 04:38:04 (permalink)
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titled: 
Important info regarding Sonar Activation
 
It is nothing more than here-say and means nothing and is misleading.
 


You’ll notice the sticky is gone and is now in free fall in the software forum.

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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/26 14:58:41 (permalink)
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timidi
titled: 
Important info regarding Sonar Activation
 
It is nothing more than here-say and means nothing and is misleading.
 


You’ll notice the sticky is gone and is now in free fall in the software forum.



Thanks Mike.

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Re: Please take down the sticky above 2017/11/26 16:48:52 (permalink)
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timidi
titled: 
Important info regarding Sonar Activation
 
It is nothing more than here-say and means nothing and is misleading.
 


You’ll notice the sticky is gone and is now in free fall in the software forum.



BTW, it's in a free fall because it's locked. 
 
Anyway, I noticed this more official update I didn't see elsewhere:
here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Cakewalk-Announcement-m3687511.aspx
 
"Update from Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
Update: 11/22 Stores closed and you will no longer be able to purchase Cakewalk products.
  
FAQ:
Q. What if the cakewalk site goes down - will we be able to reinstall and activate our software that we paid for and own?
A. If and when Cakewalk's servers are taken down, we will issue a mechanism to activate any software you own, without needing access to the internet. We're working on the mechanics of this and we'll provide more details as available. At present activation is fully functional.
 

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