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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/20 00:34:29 (permalink)
Just click the x on the top right. When you want to have it in view, just right click on the plugin in the fx bin. 
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/20 13:17:00 (permalink)
Ok, I took the $149 offer from here in the UK, this allegedly being the last day possible, and am now downloading everything (painfully slow for some reason other than my connection here which is quick).
 
So I'll be joining the party and hoping this is the start of a beautiful relationship with my new German friend.
 
[Edit, download going better and quicker now apart from "Additional Content 1" which stalls. I'll come back to that when I've got everything else loaded.]
post edited by TobyC - 2017/12/20 13:56:30

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/20 14:54:38 (permalink)
I have yet to download all the Samplitude content. Their servers have been too overwhelmed by this sale. But if you just skip the virtual instruments and "additional content" (meaning loops and samples) the core product doesn't take long at all. You can always grab the rest of it later. (So far from what I've seen/heard, you're not missing much from the bundled VIs anyway.)


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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/20 16:35:31 (permalink)
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Thanks, but I was referring to floating VST windows all over the screen with nowhere to go except moved to the 2nd screen where they're still in the way. They don't even have a minimize button. UGH!

 
Yeah, I don't like that we aren't able to minimize the VST windows. But as S.L.I.P. wrote, you can just close them with the window's X, then when you want to open that plugin again just right-click on the plugin name in the track's Plug-ins section and the plugin's window will re-appear.
 

  
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/20 20:18:14 (permalink)
Re tempo mapping, I came across this, which looks helpful:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSiYv9IJYyg

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/20 21:10:19 (permalink)
There was a time after the Melodyne 4 release and the drop to timeline feature was added to SONAR. During that period there were a couple of threads about how to create tempo maps. A process was developed

  • export the free form piano part or parts as a wav file
  • bring up M4studio or editor's external desktop program
  • load the wav into M4... select all (don't know if this is necessary)
  • Click Edit, go to Temp at bottom, click Detect Tempo of Selection
  • File export, Tempo map... save it
  • Go to Sonar, Go to file open, and select the saved tempo map (the .mid file in "5" above)
  • It will import the tempo map... there will be no MIDI data but the timeline and tempo should change (if you open the Tempo view you can see the changes)
  • Add a MIDI instrument and use Piano Roll (or your preferred method) to add a click track - I used a hi-hat on each beat of the bar, groove clipped it and dragged it for the whole length of the song
  • Select the MIDI track a click on "Copy Special" to ensure that copy tempo and meter changes (and any other options you want) are selected
  • Then go to your original song and use "Paste Special" to carefully paste it in at the beginning... ensuring that you have "tempo changes" and other things you want selected
  • VOILA! - your original project will now have the tempo map applied

Samplitude allows importing MIDI with tempo maps, so I suspect the process can be simplified.
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/20 21:15:06 (permalink)
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Re tempo mapping, I came across this, which looks helpful:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSiYv9IJYyg


Welcome To Samplitude :) Kraznet will be your new best friend. He has tonnes of videos and is very helpful on the forums. The forums are here.

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/20 23:04:30 (permalink)
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I just found out that Samplitude is about the only daw not supported by Nektar for their 'deep integration' software for my Impact LX88+ midi controller.
 
Not sure what I miss out on, but I've sent Nektar a question about this.

 
I just acquired the LX61+. I'd be interested in how Nektar responds to your note. I haven't tried it yet, but I believe Samplitude can be integrated with pretty much any controller through a MIDI learn process.



Here's the response I received from Tim at Nektar :
In order for us to integrate Impact LX, we use APIs/ or SDKs from manufacturers that provide them.
I'm not aware of any such system for Samplitude unfortunately.
However you can control Samplitude through standard MIDI mapping ofcourse.

 I guess that garantees that azslow3 won't be helping us out with integration

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/21 06:36:19 (permalink)
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I just found out that Samplitude is about the only daw not supported by Nektar for their 'deep integration' software for my Impact LX88+ midi controller.
 
Not sure what I miss out on, but I've sent Nektar a question about this.

 
I just acquired the LX61+. I'd be interested in how Nektar responds to your note. I haven't tried it yet, but I believe Samplitude can be integrated with pretty much any controller through a MIDI learn process.



Here's the response I received from Tim at Nektar :
In order for us to integrate Impact LX, we use APIs/ or SDKs from manufacturers that provide them.
I'm not aware of any such system for Samplitude unfortunately.
However you can control Samplitude through standard MIDI mapping ofcourse.

 I guess that garantees that azslow3 won't be helping us out with integration


Paul - Have you joined the Samplitude user forum? If so, maybe you could bring this up there. Almost for sure a guy named Kraznet will pop up and say he'll make a feature request (apparently regular users can't make such requests directly, but he's some kind of insider).

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/21 14:30:48 (permalink)
Downloading was very quick for me.....it's the installation that took awhile. Now, I'll definitely need to look more at Kraznet's vids.

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/21 16:30:05 (permalink)
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Downloading was very quick for me.....it's the installation that took awhile. Now, I'll definitely need to look more at Kraznet's vids.


I tend to want to just dive in and find things, but this time I was smart enough to watch all of the Kraznet's basic videos. I know they are basic, and I would have probably found a lot of it on my own, but it saved me a lot of time. 
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/21 22:32:24 (permalink)
Yes, loving the Kraznet tutorials. What a gentleman! So many hidden gems in Samplitude and so many parallels with Sonar! Just the external midi synth patch control issue but they way it's looking, I'll have to work around this limitation. 
 
On one tutorial Kraznet referred to a 70ies-Funk folder. On mine I can't see the drum loops sub-folder, only the brass and guitar loops. Drums and percussion are missing and also missing on many other of the genre folders. I've tried the reload/repair option on all eight sections of the Additional Content but still no drums/percussion. Any other new Pro X3 Suite users found this?

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/21 22:42:50 (permalink)
Sounds folders are the same here.
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/21 22:59:21 (permalink)
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Yes, loving the Kraznet tutorials. What a gentleman! So many hidden gems in Samplitude and so many parallels with Sonar! Just the external midi synth patch control issue but they way it's looking, I'll have to work around this limitation. 
 
On one tutorial Kraznet referred to a 70ies-Funk folder. On mine I can't see the drum loops sub-folder, only the brass and guitar loops. Drums and percussion are missing and also missing on many other of the genre folders. I've tried the reload/repair option on all eight sections of the Additional Content but still no drums/percussion. Any other new Pro X3 Suite users found this?



From the look of Samplitude in Kraznet's basic videos, it appears to be a version before the Pro X series. They probably changed the loop's content, because I don't have that drum folder either. 
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/22 03:50:48 (permalink)
Most of Kraznet's videos were done prior to Pro X3, many before Pro X. In many videos he either mentions the version he's using or it's in the video description. A clue to watch for is the the older skins used with old versions - the Pro X* versions tend to use a newer skin.

  
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/22 04:12:49 (permalink)
Yes, the videos were made spanning several releases. Personally, I do not worry about content. Cakewalk loaded my PC with plenty of content. I am more concerned about understanding the toolkit supplied by the DAW. I understand others may value things differently.
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/22 04:46:12 (permalink)
Been enjoying using samp for 7 days now, but I'm really missing being able to doc plugins into a multidoc
Anyone come up with a workaround solution???
 
Also automation seems a backward step from Splat. I'm rely missing the Global Tools HUD.
Samp has to many mouse clicks just to get to the envelop and then more clicks to select the editing tool I want.
I'll spend some time with binding some shortcuts and hope this creates a smother work environment. 
 
I don't mean to knock Samp (It's great in meany ways) but I'm really lamenting the demise of an old friend. After all I started with Pro Audio 4.5 so many years ago
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/23 10:29:04 (permalink)
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From the look of Samplitude in Kraznet's basic videos, it appears to be a version before the Pro X series. They probably changed the loop's content, because I don't have that drum folder either. 


I've ordered this, similar to the earlier one recommended by Kraznet:
 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00N0MADAC/
 
... so I'll report back if it contains what seems missing from the download.
 
After paying just $149 I don't have a problem with a few extra £'s on this.
 
I've also been looking at the mass of Sonar content. The Loopmasters RX2 format content doesn't work in Samplitude but obviously the wav stuff does. Any ideas on whether there is a VST instrument that can play RX2 in Samplitude?

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/23 12:08:44 (permalink)
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Been enjoying using samp for 7 days now, but I'm really missing being able to doc plugins into a multidoc
Anyone come up with a workaround solution???



I already complained about this. Was told to use the "red X" in the righthand corner. Just click the FX again to call it back. ...or get a 3rd monitor just for plugins.
 
Samplitude, for being one of the very 1st Windows DAWs on the market (1995) isn't as developed as Sonar.
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/23 14:26:44 (permalink)
Dif'rent strokes I guess, but DAWs that want to place plugins in a special spot annoy me. The "3rd monitor just for plugins" solution sounds indulgent, but it's exactly the approach I took. 
 
The first thing I had to figure out with Samplitude was how to undock stuff, and I'm still annoyed that if I close Melodyne and re-open it, it pops right back into the dock and has to be undocked and moved again. Just like SONAR does. 
 
SONAR was over 30 years old at the time of its death. Some construe that advanced age as a negative, through some convoluted logic peppered with the misunderstood term "legacy code". Samplitude is, by comparison, still a youngster at age 27.
 
Yikes! That's the same age that Hendrix, Cobain, Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison and Amy Winehouse died!


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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/23 19:30:38 (permalink)
I like that Samplitude doesn't dock the mixer and plugins. With Sonar I am basically forced to have it take up the whole desktop. Working with Samplitude I keep the arranger/vip window the size I want and when I have the mixer/plugins open I can move them where I want. I don't know why docking is considered more advanced

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/23 22:34:55 (permalink)
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Was told to use the "red X" in the righthand corner. Just click the FX again to call it back. ...or get a 3rd monitor just for plugins.

 
Thanks soens, but I can't see a "red X" anywhere! Right hand corner of what?
 
As for monitors I've used two 24" side by side and a 20" above them for years now (Only way to fly)
I put every thing possible in the multidock on the 20" and use my mouse wheel left and right click or F11 / F12 to scroll back and forth. It's a supper fast way to get around and I'm missing it horribly.
 
At the moment I'm really struggling to build an effective workflow and just want an excuse to go back to Splat, then I think of being half way through a project in Splat and................. "BANG"

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/24 01:32:47 (permalink)
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2017/12/24 01:35:21 (permalink)
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SONAR was over 30 years old at the time of its death. Some construe that advanced age as a negative, through some convoluted logic peppered with the misunderstood term "legacy code". Samplitude is, by comparison, still a youngster at age 27.



True, but in terms of full fledged DAW Sonar is much younger as it was MIDI only to begin with.
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2018/01/10 14:09:25 (permalink)
Hi!
 
I'm late to this topic ... still totally overwhelmed by DAWs since all those "cross-grade" offers.
The full Magix package has been installed (or so I thought) but when I tried some baby steps with it now, (inserting a VSTi to a track), I tried that "Independence" thingy, which then started to initiate downloading _huge_ files like currently:
"Downloading component 3565 from 3639 ... Image file 02.ytif ..." 290MB of 1776 MB - remaining 256 h (I'm on fiber connection!)
 
By scooping this topic here, I noticed comments about reputation and quality of said product (I've not gone through all of these pages though). So I would like to ask if there is anybody who can recommend if downloading all this is worth it or not. 
Thanks much in advance for your help.
 
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2018/01/10 15:00:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby MimoJP 2018/01/11 14:06:06
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So I would like to ask if there is anybody who can recommend if downloading all this is worth it or not. 
 



Hi Mimo, this really depends on 1. what you have, 2. what you want/need, and 3. what you'll use.
 
For me (sadly, I tend to be a hoarder and collect all that I have access to), I will initially download and store everything that comes with what I buy - as I can always uninstall and/or install at a later date.
 
The sounds are very usable but like others who have commented in other threads, it is an older set and this particular set is tied to Samplitude, i.e. not usable in other DAWs without first purchasing the license.  See HERE
 
BTW, really enjoyed listening to your YT uploads which I assume are your compositions.  It looks to me that you have a nice set of VSTi's already so again, only you can make the decision WRT my initial statement.
 
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2018/01/10 15:25:51 (permalink)
After a week of Samplitude here's what I can tell you. It's a very DEEP program in terms of what you can tweak. I think it's about on par with Sonar and Studio One with regard to overall performance, but I did notice a few differences. In SPLAT when running Kontakt and other CPU heavy vsts like Arturia's analog stuff it was better to have the multi CPU options enabled in those plug-ins. Without that SPLAT would show uneven use of the system cores when the CPU monitor was set to "System". However the opposite was true in Samplitude. Disabling the multi core support in Kontakt and allowing the host to do handle the scheduling evened things out with the cores. Same was true for Studio One. This is on an i7 from about 5 years ago, 4 cores with 4 more virtual cores running the latest version of Windows 10 16 gigs of RAM. I've had some crashes, but it's worth noting that what causes crashes in SPLAT causes crashes in other DAWS. The biggest culprit is Drumagog especially when using it's plug-in hosting feature. It doesn't happen all the time, but it has taken down SPLAT, Studio One, Samplitude, and yes even Reaper. I also have an occasional crash when dragging in MIDI files related to rex files from NI Battery in from the media browser. This has also happened in all the DAWS mentioned above.
 
Overall, I like Samplitude because unlike Studio One it allows 3rd party audio editors like Adobe Audition and Soundforge. Reaper does as well and setting them up in those 2 programs is easier than in SPLAT. The Object editing feature is great and gives some nice mixing possibilities. I also think their audio quantize is way better and more efficient than Audio Snap. Never was a fan of how that was implemented in any version of Sonar. I've done some basic mixes, but at this point will hold off on any judgements on how the audio engine sounds. Samplitude doesn't yet allow track templates, except on the master bus, a bit of an annoyance. But they do have a built-in stereo imager on the master bus which gives mixes a nice width and depth without having to use a 3rd party vst.
 
As much as I like Samplitude thus far, I still think that if you check back with me in about 18 months, I'll be on Reaper. To me it's about one more solid update away which I'm told will be happening this year. If they add ARA integration and beef up the MIDI functions it will be my next DAW. It's the most CPU friendly of the pack by far, it's main setback being that it's very hard to just dive right in and start. I also do think that the folks at Reaper borrowed some ideas from  Samplitude with some of the functions, but most DAWS "borrow" from each other these days.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2018/01/10 15:36:50 (permalink)
Hi Wren,
 
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So I would like to ask if there is anybody who can recommend if downloading all this is worth it or not. 
 



Hi Mimo, this really depends on 1. what you have, 2. what you want/need, and 3. what you'll use.
 
For me (sadly, I tend to be a hoarder and collect all that I have access to), I will initially download and store everything that comes with what I buy - as I can always uninstall and/or install at a later date.
 
The sounds are very usable but like others who have commented in other threads, it is an older set and this particular set is tied to Samplitude, i.e. not usable in other DAWs without first purchasing the license.  See
 
BTW, really enjoyed listening to your YT uploads which I assume are your compositions.  It looks to me that you have a nice set of VSTi's already so again, only you can make the decision WRT my initial statement.
 

 
Thanks much for the speedy input!
I would not find hoarding any sad and can agree with that easily. Especially with the case at hand, less than 200 bucks and an immense flow of software was offered with this product.
 
1. What I have is plenty of the good stuff (I usually web search and get the best bangforbuck according to these results) - Keys: gospelmusicians.com, Winds: samplemodeling.com, Guitar/Bass: orangetreesamples.com, Analogs: Arturia.com.
In more detail, for example as for "Fender Stratocaster" sound, I purchased maybe about four different products but all of these have different approaches to get the best sound out of it. 
 
2. What I want is something that would top the products in 1.)
 
3. What I'll use is a.) what sounds best, b.) is user friendly.
 
Coming back to my original question ... I would find it weird if products with that huge download size won't sound super great (none of above mentioned products took that long to download). But I can't of course judge that before they are downloaded and I can take a listen on them.
 
And since you guys here have surely much more experience with that, I asked about opinions. :D
Thanks again for chiming in!
 
Cheers,
Mimo
 

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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2018/01/10 17:13:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby MimoJP 2018/01/11 14:05:36
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Hi Wren,
 
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So I would like to ask if there is anybody who can recommend if downloading all this is worth it or not. 
 



Hi Mimo, this really depends on 1. what you have, 2. what you want/need, and 3. what you'll use.
 
For me (sadly, I tend to be a hoarder and collect all that I have access to), I will initially download and store everything that comes with what I buy - as I can always uninstall and/or install at a later date.
 
The sounds are very usable but like others who have commented in other threads, it is an older set and this particular set is tied to Samplitude, i.e. not usable in other DAWs without first purchasing the license.  See
 
BTW, really enjoyed listening to your YT uploads which I assume are your compositions.  It looks to me that you have a nice set of VSTi's already so again, only you can make the decision WRT my initial statement.
 

 
Thanks much for the speedy input!
I would not find hoarding any sad and can agree with that easily. Especially with the case at hand, less than 200 bucks and an immense flow of software was offered with this product.
 
1. What I have is plenty of the good stuff (I usually web search and get the best bangforbuck according to these results) - Keys: gospelmusicians.com, Winds: samplemodeling.com, Guitar/Bass: orangetreesamples.com, Analogs: Arturia.com.
In more detail, for example as for "Fender Stratocaster" sound, I purchased maybe about four different products but all of these have different approaches to get the best sound out of it. 
 
2. What I want is something that would top the products in 1.)
 
3. What I'll use is a.) what sounds best, b.) is user friendly.
 
Coming back to my original question ... I would find it weird if products with that huge download size won't sound super great (none of above mentioned products took that long to download). But I can't of course judge that before they are downloaded and I can take a listen on them.
 
And since you guys here have surely much more experience with that, I asked about opinions. :D
Thanks again for chiming in!
 
Cheers,
Mimo
 


I have only briefly tried out Independence after downloading all the content. It seems pretty good. I read about others raving about it. The time left indicator on the downloader gives false results. It won't really take that long, but it is about 70Gb of content!

Splat, Win 10 64bit and all sorts of musical odds and sods collected over the years, but still missing a lot of my old analogue stuff I sold off years ago.
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Re: Tell me about Samplitude 2018/01/11 14:02:16 (permalink)
Back, I am ... and happy at that :-)
 
Just to update on the matter, the Independence Libraries download finished after more than 24h and ... I must say I'm impressed! Not only by the final size of ~68.8 GB but also by the sheer amount of interesting sounds.
 
For example I hadn't expected to find a "Aborigines Telephone" in there - even funnier as I just recently watched my recorded Dundee film.
A quick browsing through some of the folders revealed plenty of high quality sounds and probably enough to have me busy through the year :-)
 
Thanks again for chiming in and your kind advices.
 
Cheers,
Mimo
 

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Sonar Platinum, Studio One Pro, Samplitude Pro X3, Harrison Mixbus
Korg T2, Yamaha SY85, Novation SL 49 MK II, Nektar P4, CME Xkey Air Bluetooth, ibanez blazer BL-500RB 1982
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Audible: soundcloud.com/michajp/
 
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