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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/29 18:59:12
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Nice one Jose, good track down
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/29 19:26:12
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Well I've just upgraded from Windows XP to Win7 Home and I have one problem with Sonar 8SE and my Soundblaster X-Fi Extreme music soundcard maybe you guys can resolve. Under XP with Sonar 8SE and same soundcard Sonar regognised my ASIO drivers and I was using them no prob's for over 12 months. But now under Win7 Sonar does not recognise the ASIO drivers. In Sonar Under the Options tab "Audio"- ASIO - and the general and Drivers tabs the ASIO drivers won't load. There is nothing under the ASIO panel and nothin happens when I click it. Same in the Drivers tab - there's nothing listed there at all. I've re-loaded the updated drivers from the Soundblaster website but still no show. I've looked in the Soundcard software and can't see any prob there. So Sonar is not recognising the ASIO drivers now. Any fix ideas.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/29 21:44:22
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Transcending Music
Nice one Jose, good track down
Thanks man :-) @ Newysurfer, It seems that SoundBlaster only has beta Windows 7 drivers for their products. I remember something similar happened to me with my M-Audio Delta44 back when I wanted to try it under Windows XP Pro x64. The ASIO drivers on the Delta44 were not available in Sonar. You could try installing these drivers in Vista Compatibility mode, but I don't promise this will work (most likely it won't). Start by uninstalling the current drivers. Then right-click the driver's installer and choose "Properties". Click on the Compatibility Tab and put a check mark on "Run this program in compatibility mode for:". Choose "Windows Vista (Service Pack 2)" and click "OK". Run the installer and cross your fingers. HTH
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 00:46:00
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Another thank you from me Jose.
Couldn't handle having it there either, so it's now gone.
Cheers,
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 01:48:19
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Thanks Adroen.
I hope this helps a lot of people who don't want this partition in their main drive. I understand why Microsoft did this, but they should've let us choose what we wanted. The funny thing is that pressing "Cancel" when it asks you to create the System Reserve partition still creates it, which is annoying. Perhaps, this is be a bug? I'm not sure, but I do hope they fix it soon if it is. Same with incorporating an option to turn Core Parking OFF, instead of having to delete registry keys. I don't have a problem with that, but making it easier wouldn't hurt.
Take care!
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 01:50:31
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Hi Jose
Can you please check the following at your end.
With me, in 8.5.1 [ clean dvd full install - not a 8.5.1 upgrade from an exisiting 8.3.1 install ] the PlugIn Manager seems to work but does not.
You can crate custom plugin layouts but they cannot be used or loaded in the EFX bin etc....
Tom
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 01:55:42
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Well, I have the upgrade version, but I'll still give it a go.
BRB
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 02:09:49
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OK, back.
Everything is working fine here. I created my custom plugin layout and tried inseting FX in Tracks, Busses and from the Process menu with no issues.
We'll need to find someone else with Windows 7 x64 and the DVD version of Sonar 8.5.1 x64 to confirm your findings. Maybe the issue only presents itself there.
Sorry :-(
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 04:14:49
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Great Jose! =) Aero snap seems great!
Regards
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 06:13:11
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Wood67
"...For your Vista 64 - W7 64 you can opt to do an update without losing your existing apps or data.."
Be warned that the upgrade option can take a very long time as Windows 7 checks every file to make sure it's compatible. I did the upgrade over Vista 64 when I switched to the Release Candidate version of Win 7 and, on a 320 Gb HDD that was approximately 2/3's full and it took around 3 1/2 hours! On the other hand, I've installed Windows 7 Ultimate as a "Clean Install" and it took a bit over 30 minutes!
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 06:48:40
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"...I'm a very VERY picky guy, which is why I insisted on getting rid of this System Reserved partition..."
What is it that you don't like about the "secret" partition Jose? Do you think it degrades Win 7's performance in any way?
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/10/30 12:25:01
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Fret,
It's not that I think it would degrade performance or anything.
I just don't like the fact that I can't choose to have it or not without doing some trick to get rid of it.
Plus, I hated looking at it :-) I've never needed it, so why now? It's just a preference thing.
Take care!
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/02 04:53:43
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Ironically, today I found 2 very good reasons to avoid the "System reserved" partition. If you've already partitioned a drive, ready to install Win 7, the Win 7 installer will put the "System Reserved" files on another drive if you so happen to have one in the PC! And I suspect the system was actually booting from the other drive , because it was the only drive marked as active! Which could cause heaps of problems for the unwary! I didn't look into it too much .. I just deleted the partitions on both drives, repartitioned them and disconnected the other drive re-installed Win 7. And if you have an HDD docking station (as I do) the "System Reserved" partition will steal the drive letter normally associated with the docking station and move the partition with the content on it out to the next drive letter! So you were right Jose! The "System Reserved" partition is evil (  )and should be avoided at all costs. 
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/02 05:40:10
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Hey Jose!
YOu've been really active with the WIN 7 and VISTA x64 side of things. I've been on VISTA x64 since the beginning of the year on my i7 920 DAW with 6 GIG ram (soon to be 12GIG).
Did you move from VISTA x64 to WIN 7 x64?
What will WIN 7 x64 offer me that I'm not getting now?
I can record at 32 samples and I haven't found a limit to tracks and plugins yet with projects that include Audio , MIDI, VST's and VSTi's by the truck load.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/02 07:23:06
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Although I'm not Jose...
I have two boots on my DAW. One for Vista 64-bit and one for Windows 7 64-bit. Other than a little bit better latency on my Windows 7 boot, there isn't much of a difference. I'm using my Windows 7 64-bit to only host 64-bit projects going forward. My Vista 64-bit has both 64 and 32 Sonar projects on it.
So, for me it doesn't sound like Windows 7 64-bit is going offer that much for you.
Tom
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/02 12:13:10
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@ Fret,
Wow, thanks for letting us know about it. This is something I was not aware of.
@ Mudgel,
I got to use Vista x64 for a year, and after SP2, things were excellent in that platform for me. What Tyacko says is right on the mark of my experiences between Vista and Win 7. The latter is just a tid bit better in various ways, but not enough to merit a change right now. Maybe further down the road (perhaps when SP1 is released) we will see notable improvements that would make it worth upgrading for you. The most notable differences right now are eye-candy stuff like Aero Peek, Aero Snap, Aero Shake and so forth (unless you want those).
Take care!
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/02 12:39:25
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Jose7822
vanceen
Thanks.
I had to run SONAR in Administrator mode in order to register it, and I've just left it there.
I had a lot of trouble installing Photoshop Elements as well. The pattern seems to be that Win 7 doesn't like installing things when there are bits and pieces of of a previous installation left in the install directory. Dim Pro, Tassman, Finale 2010, Photoshop all installed OK once I started from a pristine empty folder. This was never an issue in Vista, and is a bit of a pain (assuming I've interpreted events correctly!)
Try disabling UAC (User Account Control) the next time you install an application.
You can enable it back afterwards, but turning it OFF seems to cure most of the installation issues people are having.
HTH
Thanks, Jose7822. I actually had UAC disabled for the Photoshop install. Hopefully all will become clear in time.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/02 20:49:27
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Fret Whiz...haven't thought about this much lately...so I looked at my drives in Disk Management. Wondered if you could educate me a bit...
I have a dual boot system right now, Win XP 32 and Win 7 64. In my win XP system, the XP system drive is drive "F". In my Win 7 install, the system drive is "C" and the XP drive is "F". All the drives are single partitions.
When I look in disk management for C(win 7) I get that it is "Healthy(Boot, Page File, Crash Dump, Primary Partition)".
For F(win XP) I get "Healthy(System, Active, Primary Partition)". OK...makes sense except for the Win 7 drive not being Active. Doesn't it need to be "Active" to boot?
Both systems boot fine and I have the C drive as the boot drive in BIOS. I get the win 7 "Do you want to boot an earlier OS or win 7?" screen so I know the system is booting from the Win 7 drive fine. As I said, what concerns me is that the Win 7 drive doesn't indicate "Active". So two questions...should I make the Win 7 drive active? and what will I need to do when I finally decide to abandon XP and stay with Win 7 only? TIA.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/03 14:59:16
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Yesterday I did a liitle experiment and deleted the "System Reserved"
partition from my old C-Drive.
This was the drive I had the Win 7 RC on for the last few months.
The drive would not boot!
So the "System Reserved" partition is the actual boot partition!
Or, even worse, if those files somehow are placed on another drive
then that drive is the boot drive : Even if the Win 7 install is on another drive!
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/03 15:00:38
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Fret Whiz...haven't thought about this much lately...so I looked at my drives in Disk Management. Wondered if you could educate me a bit...
I have a dual boot system right now, Win XP 32 and Win 7 64. In my win XP system, the XP system drive is drive "F". In my Win 7 install, the system drive is "C" and the XP drive is "F". All the drives are single partitions.
When I look in disk management for C(win 7) I get that it is "Healthy(Boot, Page File, Crash Dump, Primary Partition)".
For F(win XP) I get "Healthy(System, Active, Primary Partition)". OK...makes sense except for the Win 7 drive not being Active. Doesn't it need to be "Active" to boot?
Both systems boot fine and I have the C drive as the boot drive in BIOS. I get the win 7 "Do you want to boot an earlier OS or win 7?" screen so I know the system is booting from the Win 7 drive fine. As I said, what concerns me is that the Win 7 drive doesn't indicate "Active". So two questions...should I make the Win 7 drive active? and what will I need to do when I finally decide to abandon XP and stay with Win 7 only? TIA.
G'day Andy, If the XP drive is the only active drive then the Win 7 boot must be on it as well. Look for a folder named "Boot" and 2 files : "BOOTSECT.BAK" & "bootmgr" If those files and folder are on your XP drive and not on your Win 7 boot drive ,then the XP drive is also your Win 7 boot drive. The ultimate test is to disconnect the XP drive and see if the win 7 drive will boot on it own. This a real trap for the unwary. I tried to just copy them but Win 7 wouldn't let me do that. Maybe if I'd booted to another HDD with another version of Win 7... maybe not... I didn't have time to look into it, and since the Win 7 install is so fast, it was easier to just delete the partitions on both drives disconnect the 2nd drive and continue with the install. Thinking about it it now... I should've tried a "repair" from the Win 7 DVD. If that works it would be the quick way to fix the situation.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/03 16:11:20
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Fret Wizz
G'day Andy,
If the XP drive is the only active drive then the Win 7 boot must be on it as well.
Look for a folder named "Boot" and 2 files : "BOOTSECT.BAK" & "bootmgr"
If those files and folder are on your XP drive and not on your Win 7
boot drive ,then the XP drive is also your Win 7 boot drive.
The ultimate test is to disconnect the XP drive and see if the win 7 drive will boot on it own.
This a real trap for the unwary.
I tried to just copy them but Win 7 wouldn't let me do that.
Maybe if I'd booted to another HDD with another version of Win 7... maybe not...
I didn't have time to look into it, and since the Win 7 install is so fast, it was easier to
just delete the partitions on both drives disconnect the 2nd drive and continue with the install.
Thinking about it it now... I should've tried a "repair" from the Win 7 DVD.
If that works it would be the quick way to fix the situation.
Fret...ThanX much! This is great info. Yes, those files and directories exist on the Win XP drive. I will try the disconnect experiment tonight. The repair install seems like the way to go to fix this once I no longer need XP. What do you think selecting "Set partition as Active" in Disk Management will do if I do it for the Win 7 drive? Could that fix the issue as well? Could it break my win 7 install? Just curious as I saw the option.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/03 16:47:19
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I was just able to fix my old Win 7 RC drive with the Startup Repair on my new Win 7 DVD! It works and is a really simple fix. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think just setting the drive to "active" replaces the missing boot files. Can't check it at the moment 'cause I don't want to muck around with these drives, as I have them all setup nicely at last!
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/03 17:46:10
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Fret Wizz
Yesterday I did a liitle experiment and deleted the "System Reserved"
partition from my old C-Drive.
This was the drive I had the Win 7 RC on for the last few months.
The drive would not boot!
So the "System Reserved" partition is the actual boot partition!
Or, even worse, if those files somehow are placed on another drive
then that drive is the boot drive : Even if the Win 7 install is on another drive!
That's the reason why I recommended not getting rid of the System Reserved partition after Windows 7 has been installed. Fret, you have confirmed my fears, but I'm glad you were able to recover from it :-) Take care!
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/03 18:55:33
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Yeah well it was safe to try it on that drive because I'm not using it anymore. Even without being able to boot from it I can still access it via my docking station. It was with that drive that I found out that the System Reserved partition steals the drive letter away from the docking station and moves the main drive to the next drive letter. Which is not a huge problem .. it just meant that the shortcut on my desktop to the docking station that usually points to the "main" drive, was now pointing to the supposedly hidden System Reserved drive. Anyway .. with all this wonderful info you've been posting Jose and the few little bits I've found out for myself, I feel as though I've done a windows refresher course! I still don't understand what function the System Reserved partition serves.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/03 19:11:11
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Yes, thanks a lot for the info Fretz!
I know you can get away with doing something like this, but for people who don't know how, it could be fatal.
The link I gave in the OP explains what the System Reserve partition is for. Check it out.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/04 01:15:06
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ThanX, Fret. I'll just do a repair install when I'm ready to ditch XP then. I now wonder what the "Set to Active" does if it doesn't copy/create the boot files! Need to do some googling...
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/04 01:28:45
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tyacko
Although I'm not Jose...
I have two boots on my DAW. One for Vista 64-bit and one for Windows 7 64-bit. Other than a little bit better latency on my Windows 7 boot, there isn't much of a difference. I'm using my Windows 7 64-bit to only host 64-bit projects going forward. My Vista 64-bit has both 64 and 32 Sonar projects on it.
So, for me it doesn't sound like Windows 7 64-bit is going offer that much for you.
Tom
Win7 supposedly has optimized multi-core performance.
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/04 01:32:14
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Found this advice tonight.... http://windows7forums.com...-boot-windows-7-a.html 1) boot into windows 7 2) create boot record on windows 7. in command prompt type bcdboot c:\windows /s c: 3) remove all page files running on vista (d  if you have them 4) right click on my computer select manage. select disk management. right click on the partition containing your windows 7 OS and choose "make partition active" 5) reboot (should boot from windows 7 boot manager) without showing the OS selection screen 6) only if you are sure that the previous steps are done correctly and your computer is booting from windows 7 partition. delete vista/xp partition from disk management. might need to use "remove" first from change drive letter option Looks like it might be worth a try when I'm ready to go "single OS".
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/04 01:38:11
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Re:First Impressions on Windows 7
2009/11/04 01:59:22
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tyacko
Although I'm not Jose...
I have two boots on my DAW. One for Vista 64-bit and one for Windows 7 64-bit. Other than a little bit better latency on my Windows 7 boot, there isn't much of a difference. I'm using my Windows 7 64-bit to only host 64-bit projects going forward. My Vista 64-bit has both 64 and 32 Sonar projects on it.
So, for me it doesn't sound like Windows 7 64-bit is going offer that much for you.
Tom
Win7 supposedly has optimized multi-core performance.
Yes, it does. Right out of the box I noticed that the CPU load was more even in Windows 7 than in Vista. So it is true.
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