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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/10 06:28:55 (permalink)
I'm not using Azlow3's software.  The X-Touch does everything I want it to do with the stock software.

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/10 07:03:29 (permalink)
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@fireberd & riojazz: have you installed azslow3's dll/ini file to replace the standard mackie controller files?

Some users prefer stock over moded versions. I can try to commit the change into the official version, but that is some extra "work" (for me and CW), so it will probably stay separated for a while...
 

Doing so does start to make the PC eq/comp functions available, though I'm still trying to get to grips with the use of the Edit and page keys.  Also, multi-pressing 'EQ' puts it in different modes that I've yet to figure out consistently.  If I get some time I'll work through more methodically and maybe put together a guide.  While it would be neat to have these working I think it's likely that using the x-touch to control those parameters is not going to be as efficient as the mouse!

Check the help file. They describe almost all operations possible. For plug-ins in general INI file modification is required. But in case you use some plug-in often (I mean any FX plug-in, not only ProChannel EQ/Comp), the time you spend for mapping is a good investment. Note special key combination to reload INI "on the fly", without Sonar restart (can be found in the help, I do not remember right now).
 

It's also well worth getting the overlay, printing it on decent 200g photo paper, and then spending a little while with a craft knife to get it to fit correctly.  I was thrown by the 'Trim' light comment until I peaked under the overlay!

Since I do not have the device, I could not draw the overlay with correct size. In another thread there was a good advise to visit Behringer forum and search for ready to print one.

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/10 16:28:08 (permalink)
About the template on the Behringer site, I have the most frustrating time trying to get anything from that Behringer site to load.  It just sits there with the hourglass (and I have a very fast connection). 
 
Aszlow, if I give you precise measurements for the X-Touch, would that help you to create the proper-sized overlay?  Just tell me what you need.  For example, the distance between the outside of the white F1 button to the outside of the F8 button is 120 mm.  The width of the outside of the black traced line around those buttons is 128 mm. 
 
I am not using any other DLLs or INI files from Aszlow or elsewhere.  I have no desire to control any effects with the X-Touch.  Is there any other reason to consider using modified Mackie Controller files?
 
Thanks for all the renewed interest and help.  Much appreciated. 
post edited by riojazz - 2016/03/10 16:53:40

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/10 17:50:00 (permalink)
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About the template on the Behringer site, I have the most frustrating time trying to get anything from that Behringer site to load.  It just sits there with the hourglass (and I have a very fast connection). 

Direct link with the information:
http://forum.music-group.com/showthread.php?9278-X-Touch-and-Sonar&p=69850&viewfull=1#post69850
All credits for finding this post should go to someone else in this forum (I mean Sonar forum). But I can not find the original post...
 

Aszlow, if I give you precise measurements for the X-Touch, would that help you to create the proper-sized overlay?  Just tell me what you need.  For example, the distance between the outside of the white F1 button to the outside of the F8 button is 120 mm.  The width of the outside of the black traced line around those buttons is 128 mm. 

I have compared my layout with the layout from Kevin and they are identical. So till you want spend all your black ink, you better take his.
 

I am not using any other DLLs or INI files from Aszlow or elsewhere.  I have no desire to control any effects with the X-Touch.  Is there any other reason to consider using modified Mackie Controller files?
Thanks for all the renewed interest and help.  Much appreciated.

Not at the moment. Only in case you find some bug, since the only realistic way to get it fixed quick is to ask me 

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/11 04:51:50 (permalink)
@riojazz:  the template linked above is the one I used and it fits pretty well as long as you cut accurately.  I did need to splice the output in half (horizontally) as it wasn't quite centered over the transport keys.  The other thing is that by default this just shows F1...F8 for the function keys.  When you map those you might want the proper function labelled.  But the author says he will supply the photoshop file if you want to change them.

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/11 16:27:05 (permalink)
Thanks.  I can deal with a Photoshop file if provided.
 
Perhaps my printer is re-sizing, because the template is not even close in size to the unit.
 

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/11 18:15:34 (permalink)
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Thanks.  I can deal with a Photoshop file if provided.
 
Perhaps my printer is re-sizing, because the template is not even close in size to the unit.
 




Hey Matt,
 
I finally got around to making a template.
 
 
You have my email address, so if you want a .psd file I can zap it out east to you.
 
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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/12 08:09:49 (permalink)
I cut out the template this morning and it fits on my X-Touch.  The "Next Win" and "Close Win" could have been a little further to the right but its OK as is.
 
I'm going to try and make one of card stock and laminate it.   
 
 

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/12 11:45:21 (permalink)
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...I'm going to try and make one of card stock and laminate it.   



I thought about laminating either a paper print out, but I was concerned about the cutouts for the buttons. If you don't leave some space around the buttons, the lamination will come apart around the buttos.
 
I just used matte finish photo stock and it works well. I also used some double sticky tape to keep it in place.
 
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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/12 17:02:03 (permalink)
The "laminating" I'm doing is with my Wife's "Xyron" craft laminating machine.  It is sticky stuff, not "heat" laminating.  Hopefully it won't come apart. 
 
 

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/12 18:31:40 (permalink)
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The "laminating" I'm doing is with my Wife's "Xyron" craft laminating machine.  It is sticky stuff, not "heat" laminating.  Hopefully it won't come apart. 
 
 


That's interesting! I might pick up one of the mega runners to try out.

Thanks

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/12 18:31:40 (permalink)
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The "laminating" I'm doing is with my Wife's "Xyron" craft laminating machine.  It is sticky stuff, not "heat" laminating.  Hopefully it won't come apart. 
 
 


That's interesting! I might pick up one of the mega runners to try out.

Thanks

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/13 09:24:30 (permalink)
I got the template cut out.  Seems to be OK, not coming apart like a regular lamination potentially would.
 
I just need to find some "non marking" way of holding it down on a couple edges.
 
 

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/14 07:07:49 (permalink)
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I just need to find some "non marking" way of holding it down on a couple edges.

 
Try blu-tack.  A few little blobs carefully placed works for me and it is easily removable/adjustable.
 
Also @riojazz: first time I printed the template I had the same problem.  Then I realised there was a default setting being applied to resize it to the paper.  Make sure you have that off so it prints exactly to the same size, then it fits almost perfectly (in my case with just one edit).
 
Playing with the x-touch this weekend, I noticed that automated Mutes don't get recorded using the controller, and neither do the mute lights register on playback.  I only managed to get automated mutes using the on-screen buttons.  Pity - I like seeing pretty lights go on and off!  The mute buttons do work of course - just the write/play data doesn't flow through.

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/14 09:02:35 (permalink)
Control Surface API has no access to automated mute....

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/14 09:43:23 (permalink)
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Control Surface API has no access to automated mute....


Thanks for confirming - saves me trying to figure it out!

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/14 13:00:09 (permalink)
So as you know a standard printer will not print whit ink. Otherwise I would of used a smoke color plastic.. So I used a plastic file folder insert I cut it out to fit in my ink jet printer , I printed it on the plastic file folder insert, but don't touch the ink as it will smear , I then went to staples and bought 8 x 11  full clear printer sticker,and covered the wet ink, it came out perfect.But being the mill was thin , this is why I choose to print it on the plastic file folder insert and  then cover it with a clear adhesive sticker.
 I had to get the size correct by printing it out and zooming in and out on the printer, I use regular paper for that.

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/14 14:04:55 (permalink)
I'll give the Blu Tack a try.  On a net search I see there is Elmer's Reuseable Poster Tack which looks to be the same.
 
I didn't have any problems with size when printing.  I have (latest version) Adobe Acrobat PDF reader.  I selected 100% size and print to a HP Officejet Pro 8520 and it came out lined up.
 
 

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/03/16 11:03:30 (permalink)
I got some Loctite "Fun Tak" which is the same type of stuff as Blu Tack. 
 
I copied the template to my photo program and created a negative (black with white print).  Printed that out on card stock (didn't laminate it), had my wife cut it out (LOL) and then put it on with the Fun Tak.  Looks good.
 
Thanks for the template.
 
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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/04/14 13:24:02 (permalink)
Has anyone got multiple X-Touches to work with Sonar Platinum? I have purchased 3 of them and after 2 days I'm sending them back. I cant them to identify themselves as separate units thus Sonar only sees one of them. There are videos that Behringer posted on YouTube but the were using Logic Pro X as if that is the only DAW on the planet. There is no phone number that you can call to get assistance so you have to wait on an email. They cost too much for me not to be able to use all three.
 
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Why not just keep using the FW-1884? 2016/05/12 15:10:13 (permalink)
I have to ask. I've read through this posts and see you are all getting into the X-Touch and integrating it well with Sonar Platinum. My question is to the Tascam FW-1884 users. What does the X-Touch do that the 1884 couldn't do? I understand that the 1884 is old tech but I also hear it works fine still with Windows 10 64bit. In other words it ain't broke so why fix it, and spending another $6 bills for the privilege? What am I missing? The X-Touch uses USB and the 1884 uses Firewire. Is that it? Is there some problem using the 1884 with your hardware or software? I still use Windows 7 as I've been nervous to upgrade my DAW to Windows 10 for fear of drivers issues. Thanks for the postings on this, it's really helpful.
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Re: Why not just keep using the FW-1884? 2016/05/12 16:03:24 (permalink)
In my case, Windows 8 64-bit broke my FW-1884.  Tascam gave up on the driver.  Microsoft abandoned Firewire.  It's more complicated than that, with workarounds that might work, but that's my reason. 
 

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Re: Why not just keep using the FW-1884? 2016/05/13 10:13:20 (permalink)
Results have been "hit and miss" getting the 1884 to work in Win 8 and 10.
I failed miserably when I tried to get it going in Win 8, just as Matt did.
Staying with Win 7 on my current rig, I'll cross the Win 10 bridge only when I'm forced to...
 
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Re: Why not just keep using the FW-1884? 2016/06/03 12:06:19 (permalink)
Bought an X-Touch about a week ago. Pretty snazzy. I found out about azslow's SDK fork and downloaded. Many thanks for the 'filter' fix. It works great, although you have to get used to the way the driver 'modes' behave.  I'd prefer that Sonar's mackie control driver work more inline with what the standard button labels imply, rather than the old overlay - but I realize that's a lost cause. For now, I'm using it as is and it's acceptable.
 
I suppose the question is if Cakewalk is going to retain the control surface COM interface, or are they going to go with something different now that they are going to be supporting Mac?
 
 
 
 

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Re: Why not just keep using the FW-1884? 2016/07/14 14:54:29 (permalink)
I also got the Behringer x-touch, works fine so far..
I upgraded the firmware with bome sendsx as someone told it worked for them here (thanks btw), while upgrading as told on behringer firmware upgrade tutorial on youtube, he said it should go to 100% although his went to 98, and my x touch went to 56, and stood still there for a while...I waited like 5 min, still 56, so I rebooted and the firmware seemed to be upgraded from 1.13 to 1.15, seems to work as normal but I still wonder if it got upgraded for real?!..should I be worried about this?

And also, does anybody know if there is a way to change Mute, Solo, Select colors on the x-touch? I thought standard color coding for mute and solo was:
Mute = yellow
Solo = green
But on x touch Mute is red, Solo is yellow, channel select is green :/ uhh...

This is maybe something I will get over time but for now it is kind of challanging since these colors is not like in sonar mute and solo colors...have to look twice when pushing buttons on x touch if I pushed the "right" buttons since Im use to sonars mute/solo colors...
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Re: Why not just keep using the FW-1884? 2016/07/14 15:44:50 (permalink)
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I also got the Behringer x-touch, works fine so far..
I upgraded the firmware with bome sendsx as someone told it worked for them here (thanks btw), while upgrading as told on behringer firmware upgrade tutorial on youtube, he said it should go to 100% although his went to 98, and my x touch went to 56, and stood still there for a while...I waited like 5 min, still 56, so I rebooted and the firmware seemed to be upgraded from 1.13 to 1.15, seems to work as normal but I still wonder if it got upgraded for real?!..should I be worried about this?

And also, does anybody know if there is a way to change Mute, Solo, Select colors on the x-touch? I thought standard color coding for mute and solo was:
Mute = yellow
Solo = green
But on x touch Mute is red, Solo is yellow, channel select is green :/ uhh...

This is maybe something I will get over time but for now it is kind of challanging since these colors is not like in sonar mute and solo colors...have to look twice when pushing buttons on x touch if I pushed the "right" buttons since Im use to sonars mute/solo colors...



I get the impression that the X-touch is capable of way more than what it supports via the MCU protocol. Supposedly, the scribble strip LCD's are capable of changing color and so on, but there's no standard way to address that functionality. Maybe in the future Behringer, with enough user interest, will publish some extensions to the MCU protocol to allow it. Who knows?

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/07/15 12:29:19 (permalink)
FYI - I don't think you need a separate sysex player, SONAR has sysex management and it should work. I use it to store sysex data from external hardware as part of a project. Go to Views > Sysx or type Alt+Shift+7.

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/07/15 17:46:47 (permalink)
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FYI - I don't think you need a separate sysex player, SONAR has sysex management and it should work. I use it to store sysex data from external hardware as part of a project. Go to Views > Sysx or type Alt+Shift+7.



 
Didn't think about that, but yeah, one could easily load up a sysx file and have Sonar send it to the controller.
 
Overall, I'm happy with the Sysx view in Sonar.
I have an old Yamaha MU100 that I use and I often tweak it a bit. It's really nice in that you can modify a parameter from the front panel, and then have it display the exact byte sequence needed. This way I don't need to dump the entire setup, just the parameters I'm tweaking vs the XG reset state.

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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/08/22 15:42:31 (permalink)
I am considering getting an X-Touch. Can anyone confirm or deny if the X-touch can control EQ and compression? Especially from SONAR's Pro Channel? What about send levels and panning?
 
Any help/info would be very much appreciated.
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Re: First look: Making the Behringer X-Touch work in SONAR Platinum 2016/08/23 02:44:49 (permalink)
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I am considering getting an X-Touch.

X-Touch (full version) is exact replication of Mackie Control. Everything written about Mackie Control also apply to X-Touch, including...

Can anyone confirm or deny if the X-touch can control EQ and compression? Especially from SONAR's Pro Channel?

Till EQ is the first in ProChannel and compressor is the second, standard plug-in will not control it. You will need my mod (a derivation from the original, open source on GitHub, NOT my own AZ Controller). With that mod, you can control standard (but not other!) ProChannel EQ and Track/Bus compressors.

What about send levels and panning?

That is supported in the original version. For Sends there are 2 modes: you can control the same parameter for 8 strips (f.e. Send 1 Level from each strip) or several parameters from focused strip.
 
What is NOT possible to control (at the moment): Soft. Synth, ProChannel modules (other then EQ and Comp).

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