I wish I could figure out how to format an image in this server side software... I dislike it when they get all blurry like that.

oh well...

In all due respect, this is rubbish really. I mean of course they want new users, like any good drug dealer(j/k), but Cakewalk has ALWAYS been on the forefront of technology with their software.

That is why they put the UI off so long for other enhancements, but it was something they needed to do and they did it!

Plus with smart tools and the skylight system, they are totally pushing the envelope again.

i've heard of charles bronson...

Undertow
I'm really trying to see your point and failing miserably.
If you purchased X1, it means there is something you like about it.
The new features?, .. no?...then it must be the price.

Lanceindastudio


 Cakewalk has ALWAYS been on the forefront of technology with their software.

That is why they put the UI off so long for other enhancements, but it was something they needed to do and they did it!

Plus with smart tools and the skylight system, they are totally pushing the envelope again.

How different perception can be. I always had the strong impression they try hard to keep up with the competition and constantly throw in some "me-too" features. Like Audiosnap to challenge Beat Detective. Now if it would also WORK, that would be great.
By the way, what you call "envelope pushing" has been in Logic and Studio One before, and of course PT. So give credit to who deserves it!

Fernando


Undertow
I'm really trying to see your point and failing miserably.

That depends on which post you are referring to. :-)  But my points are usually very clear: In the last one it was very simply that I don't feel that X1 is in anyway revolutionary. No more, no less.

My point is also to clarify things that people might not know: It seems that Lance was not aware that Pro Tools already had the Smart Tool for more than a decade or he probably wouldn't have called it "envelope pushing".

UnderTow

Dappa1


All companies must be forward thinking...No longer will cakewalk be held back by members who hold on to a company who panders to there every whim...Cakewalk are letting go of the old customers and embracing change.

We always ask the question is Sonar used by anyone in th industry? Maybe a change is coming on as X1 is modelled more toward young guys who can make something of their lifes (Mysto and pisto) use Sonar. Bring in a new storm of youngers and those older ones who say they are pro but could never find a hit even if they had help from Kenya West, or Mark Ronson.

X1 even in this title suggestions major changes. Its a gamble that will pay off as the younger ones new to Sonar are finding they enjoy. Sonar X1 definitely changes everything.

No wonder why Cakewalk got 8.5.3 right...its for you to use until the end of your days...

X1 is the future and the future is young!

Why does everyone feel the need to speculate and generalize? Seriously, why not just FOCUS ON THE PRODUCT and not the forum members if you want the product to improve. Provide a real critical discussion with some thought behind it for once. Or was your goal just to get a bunch of reactions? Threads like this are holding things back if anything, by providing useless clutter.

What a useless thread this was.

ba_midi

D K


...and yet we wonder why it is that apparently no one of consequence in the industry uses Sonar...

Reading this forum has become an absolute joke..a necessary evil in learning/evaluating X1..nothing more

it's too bad.. it used to be the best user forum in the industry imo

Most of me still thinks it is.  This is a very vibrant forum.  Yeah, there's TONS of opinions, tons of good info, tons of BS, but isn't it like everything else in life.?
This is just a more difficult time due to a "new" version with a major "look/feel" overhaul and lots of bugs for some.
 
Isn't this what the forum is for?  And if everyone would just not take sides and have some compassion, that might go a long way ...  but it sure seems this forum still the most details, specifics, helping others, etc...
 
Maybe I'm wrong.  I don't think so.  But maybe.
 
OH, of course statements like "The future is young" go a long way toward making everyone feel involved.  NOT.
 
 

I hear you Billy..but this feels different to me.. i'm coming down the homestretch of finishing this record and then decide if I am going down X1 path or not. Seems like a good time to re-evaluate everything out there before starting.
 
One thing I always knew was that I could get help w/ any serious issue be searching and/or asking on the forum..
 
could probably do the same now but have grown such a distaste for coming here at the moment that it would slow me down anyway.... I have never felt that way about coming here and you know the "wars" that have been had around here - 6.2.1 was fun! - NOT :)
 
The noise is deafening Billy and the signal is coming thru very poorly.. never really experienced that before and frankly..it is curbing my enthusiasm (love that show by the way).. there are some voices that I know the both of us respect that have either gotten really quiet or flat disappeared..I suspect that possibly has less to do with X1 then it does have to do with this forum..just a guess
 
 
 
 

D K

ba_midi

D K


...and yet we wonder why it is that apparently no one of consequence in the industry uses Sonar...

Reading this forum has become an absolute joke..a necessary evil in learning/evaluating X1..nothing more

it's too bad.. it used to be the best user forum in the industry imo

Most of me still thinks it is.  This is a very vibrant forum.  Yeah, there's TONS of opinions, tons of good info, tons of BS, but isn't it like everything else in life.?
This is just a more difficult time due to a "new" version with a major "look/feel" overhaul and lots of bugs for some.
 
Isn't this what the forum is for?  And if everyone would just not take sides and have some compassion, that might go a long way ...  but it sure seems this forum still the most details, specifics, helping others, etc...
 
Maybe I'm wrong.  I don't think so.  But maybe.
 
OH, of course statements like "The future is young" go a long way toward making everyone feel involved.  NOT.
 
 

I hear you Billy..but this feels different to me.. i'm coming down the homestretch of finishing this record and then decide if I am going down X1 path or not. Seems like a good time to re-evaluate everything out there before starting.
 
One thing I always knew was that I could get help w/ any serious issue be searching and/or asking on the forum..
 
could probably do the same now but have grown such a distaste for coming here at the moment that it would slow me down anyway.... I have never felt that way about coming here and you know the "wars" that have been had around here - 6.2.1 was fun! - NOT :)
 
The noise is deafening Billy and the signal is coming thru very poorly.. never really experienced that before and frankly..it is curbing my enthusiasm (love that show by the way).. there are some voices that I know the both of us respect that have either gotten really quiet or flat disappeared..I suspect that possibly has less to do with X1 then it does have to do with this forum..just a guess
 
 
 
 

D,
 
I do agree there's lot of noise lately - but what concerns me more is how much attitude there is.  Those doing well with X1 get mad at those not doing so well.  Yet each side has its own merits, but tend to shrug off the other side's arguments.
 
It's also turned into camps, and it's as if one can only belong to one side and not the other.
 
There's very little compassion for those who are finding serious bugs and there's also the "new breed" attitude going on which simply divides people without lending one iota of help to the others.
 
This is definitely disturbing me in that regard.  And I find myself mostly just reading posts and not wanting to have input just because it seems someone will always find a way to flame anyone with a different experience with X1 or to just simply flame others for attention rather than offering a substantive debate.
 
So even though I do think this is still a vibrant forum, I'm also coming to accept that it's going through a rough period and the tensions are very high.
 
I don't want to throw in the towel on X1 (even though I have put it aside for now until there really are some solid bug fixes) and I don't want to abandon this forum.   So my approach is just to lay a little more low rather than be exposed to some of the almost insane attacks that go on during this tense time.
 
But if I think I can help someone somehow, I won't hestitate to do so.
 
And certainly if I find things/people I can learn from, that's fine with me.
 
But I'm definitely backing off being too involved, but not bowing out.

 

Dappa1


All companies must be forward thinking...No longer will cakewalk be held back by members who hold on to a company who panders to there every whim...Cakewalk are letting go of the old customers and embracing change.

We always ask the question is Sonar used by anyone in th industry? Maybe a change is coming on as X1 is modelled more toward young guys who can make something of their lifes (Mysto and pisto) use Sonar. Bring in a new storm of youngers and those older ones who say they are pro but could never find a hit even if they had help from Kenya West, or Mark Ronson.

X1 even in this title suggestions major changes. Its a gamble that will pay off as the younger ones new to Sonar are finding they enjoy. Sonar X1 definitely changes everything.

No wonder why Cakewalk got 8.5.3 right...its for you to use until the end of your days...

X1 is the future and the future is young!

Well, I'm an old guy and there isn't anything that you young guys can figure out that I can't figure out faster.  Who has a Hit record on any given platform doesn't matter to me because I've been around long enough the know that the only platform that really matters is the one between your ears. 
 
Hit records are sparked long before they get inside a DAW.  And I've learned that there are many types of folks involved with the process and they all bring different talents to the table.  Some are creative, some are good at documenting a performance and some instinctively know how to drill down to the core of what the other two types have done and sort out the "song" and either give it the support it needs or cut away everything that is getting in the way.
 
Some things work better than ever in X1, somethings need to be rethought and some things are flat out busted.  But nothing in sum total of the program warrants turning around and going back to a certain comfort zone because a group of people object. 
 
The comfort zone is still there, you can go back to it.  No one can keep you from it at this stage of the game.  But X1 is pulling out from the station and should be allowed to move on down the tracks without hinderance.
 
You only as old as you admit to being.
EDIT: And no, I don't have any Hit Records but I have some stuff that I've done that has a certain amount of integrity and I've been paid for my work (not that it matters) a number of times.  I choose to be an amateur because, frankly, I'd rather do something else other than music or recording for a living.  I've done music professionally and it can quickly become as tiresome as any other job. 

Lets move on now....it doesn't matter your age it just matters if you can adapt to change...

if you noticed I said Old customers...not old people...you may need a different approach but essentially its still the same old DAW : )

You forgot to mention Motown Micklamm

Old customers...not old people

 "longtime customers" ?

micklamm
 
Unfortunately the original poster is from a generation that mostly can't maintain an attention span of more than a few seconds and think good music comes from playing records backwards on a turntable and speaking in a monotone over the top of it. What a load of rubbish... The crap that kids listen to today lasts for 5 minutes cause it's sh**.

When some whipper-snapper makes such a gross generalisation at least there is still hope that  they will grow up. When an older person makes the same kind of gross generalisation...

UnderTow

10Ten.. just gets to me man!! His head is so far up the Old Gaurds @ss,  he thinks he's one of them..He's been the most counter- productive for new users.. Im' responding to the OP's question..