dappa1
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Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
All companies must be forward thinking...No longer will cakewalk be held back by members who hold on to a company who panders to there every whim...Cakewalk are letting go of the old customers and embracing change.
We always ask the question is Sonar used by anyone in th industry? Maybe a change is coming on as X1 is modelled more toward young guys who can make something of their lifes (Mysto and pisto) use Sonar. Bring in a new storm of youngers and those older ones who say they are pro but could never find a hit even if they had help from Kenya West, or Mark Ronson.
X1 even in this title suggestions major changes. Its a gamble that will pay off as the younger ones new to Sonar are finding they enjoy. Sonar X1 definitely changes everything.
No wonder why Cakewalk got 8.5.3 right...its for you to use until the end of your days...
X1 is the future and the future is young!
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 09:18:39
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Oh well then i should be happy that I bought X1 and am returning to 8.5.3 for actual work. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 09:20:03
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 09:22:27
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My guess is that if the old timers hadn't sent their yearly money in this time around out of pity that you'd all be running your very last version of SONAR anything.
Ya'll should appreciate the fact that several of us old timers are trying to help Cakewalk stay liquid.
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 09:36:34
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You're probably making a good point Dappa. Cakewalk has a vision and that includes making their software easier for the first time user and that MUST include capturing as much of the first time, 'younger' users as possible. To ignore that market would be business suicide. Can they cater to that market AND keep the older users they already have? Good question, old guys don't change easy.
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 09:40:55
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<wasted energy>
post edited by MNorman - 2011/01/02 10:00:56
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 09:43:43
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Dappa1
All companies must be forward thinking...No longer will cakewalk be held back by members who hold on to a company who panders to there every whim...Cakewalk are letting go of the old customers and embracing change.
We always ask the question is Sonar used by anyone in th industry? Maybe a change is coming on as X1 is modelled more toward young guys who can make something of their lifes (Mysto and pisto) use Sonar. Bring in a new storm of youngers and those older ones who say they are pro but could never find a hit even if they had help from Kenya West, or Mark Ronson.
X1 even in this title suggestions major changes. Its a gamble that will pay off as the younger ones new to Sonar are finding they enjoy. Sonar X1 definitely changes everything.
No wonder why Cakewalk got 8.5.3 right...its for you to use until the end of your days...
X1 is the future and the future is young!
The future is broken and waiting to be patched up. The only reason the younger generation will be satisfied is due to an inability to read what something is supposed to do, and having the attention span of a newt means they will just move on rather than ponder why the way it works in the video isn't the same as the DAW sat in front of them. Grum (possibly with my tongue in the cheek area of my mouth!)
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 09:47:09
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...and yet we wonder why it is that apparently no one of consequence in the industry uses Sonar...
Reading this forum has become an absolute joke..a necessary evil in learning/evaluating X1..nothing more
it's too bad.. it used to be the best user forum in the industry imo
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 09:59:53
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D K
...and yet we wonder why it is that apparently no one of consequence in the industry uses Sonar...
Reading this forum has become an absolute joke..a necessary evil in learning/evaluating X1..nothing more
it's too bad.. it used to be the best user forum in the industry imo
it's too bad.. it used to be the best user forum in the industry imo Wrong...that was the P5 forum. Should we mention how the Baker's handled that situation? have a good one 3Eo
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 10:07:30
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Dappa1
All companies must be forward thinking...No longer will cakewalk be held back by members who hold on to a company who panders to there every whim...Cakewalk are letting go of the old customers and embracing change.
We always ask the question is Sonar used by anyone in th industry? Maybe a change is coming on as X1 is modelled more toward young guys who can make something of their lifes (Mysto and pisto) use Sonar. Bring in a new storm of youngers and those older ones who say they are pro but could never find a hit even if they had help from Kenya West, or Mark Ronson.
X1 even in this title suggestions major changes. Its a gamble that will pay off as the younger ones new to Sonar are finding they enjoy. Sonar X1 definitely changes everything.
No wonder why Cakewalk got 8.5.3 right...its for you to use until the end of your days...
X1 is the future and the future is young!
Yeah, that's a brilliant business model Einstein. Get rid of the customer base that brought you to the dance. I guarantee I can record/edit/mix circles around your young a**. A large percentage of young talent in my geographical area come to my facility because I can impart fresh musical ideas to their projects. Rappers come to me because I can make 'em sound like straight up gangstas. I'm 58 and hipper than you'll ever be. And BTW, it's Kanye not Kenya.
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 10:28:19
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thegeek
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 10:43:20
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to OP:
What a shameless disrespect to those before us who made great music using whatever tools the era provided.......
I may be young compared to the users you seem to refer to (35 years old) but I don't in ANY WAY agree to your way of thinking....In fact I dont agree to this whole notion the younger generation has that making music sholud be an easy, press-this-button-out-comes-a-ready-made-track thing.
Difficulty, labour, hard work, harder studying, education are what give value to any of my personal achievements and creations. People (younger or not) who tend to be attracted to "easy" things are usually stuck in a "vacant" psychological state.
No wonder why youth of today feels "vacant", finds no meaning in life, is bored, uninterested.
But I guess, my thoughts must be too difficult and deep for you to understand.
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 10:43:30
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D K
...and yet we wonder why it is that apparently no one of consequence in the industry uses Sonar...
Reading this forum has become an absolute joke..a necessary evil in learning/evaluating X1..nothing more
it's too bad.. it used to be the best user forum in the industry imo
Most of me still thinks it is. This is a very vibrant forum. Yeah, there's TONS of opinions, tons of good info, tons of BS, but isn't it like everything else in life.? This is just a more difficult time due to a "new" version with a major "look/feel" overhaul and lots of bugs for some. Isn't this what the forum is for? And if everyone would just not take sides and have some compassion, that might go a long way ... but it sure seems this forum still the most details, specifics, helping others, etc... Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think so. But maybe. OH, of course statements like "The future is young" go a long way toward making everyone feel involved. NOT.
post edited by ba_midi - 2011/01/02 10:44:47
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 10:57:26
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You didn't really just say NOT did you?
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snookerc
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 10:58:30
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Most of me still thinks it is. This is a very vibrant forum. Yeah, there's TONS of opinions, tons of good info, tons of BS, but isn't it like everything else in life.? +100
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:00:15
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soundtweaker
You didn't really just say NOT did you?
Did I not? ;)
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:03:07
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I assume the original post was intended as a sarcastic joke..... obviously not to be taken seriously.
Let's follow the logic here .......
Ignore your historic and existing customers who built your company, pay your bills, and are old enough to have major money to spend ............... but only embrace young kids who usually don't have two nickels to rub together, try to get as much for free as they can without paying for it and often need to live paycheck to paycheck until they get some maturity under their belt ?????????
In other words ........ "totally ignore the concerns of your existing customers. Churn the client list, forget customer retention, focus fully on only creating a new client base to replace all the unhappy long term customers you chased away"
Yep ... that is a smart business model. (sarcasm)
As a guy who has built, managed and sold multi-million dollar businesses from scratch and now is often called on to help other companies reorganize, increase sales and profits and be able to formulate profit sharing plans for employees to boost moral and productivity ------- I would NEVER give this type of advice to a client.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:14:37
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customer retention??????
what's that?
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:21:16
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thegeek
No wonder why youth of today feels "vacant", finds no meaning in life, is bored, uninterested.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - Socrates I think you will find that this type of description of youngsters comes back every generation. UnderTow
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snookerc
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:22:52
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Cakewalk embracing change? Yes, and I'm glad.
Cakewalk is dumping the "old" customers? Not deliberately, no.
Some (many?) users have been asking for a visual overhaul of SONAR for years. Cakewalk just decided it was finally time.
In general, I would say if you rely on SONAR for your livelihood, then you should either bring X1 up on a "test" system (um... right), or you should wait and read the forums, buy the videos, etc., until you're comfortable you can use it and it has the potential to work for you.
I've seen just as many "young" people struggle with new software interfaces over the years. This, to me, is less of a "young" vs. "old" issue as it is an "experienced SONAR user" vs. "newbie" issue. I think people weren't prepared for just how major an update this was. There are many 30-ish users on here that have been Cakewalk users for 10 years and are also struggling because things work differently now.
I've been a Cakewalk user since the DOS days (v3??). And there was always some "common thread" to the software (hotkeys, etc.). X1 has changed a lot of that, it's like a new DAW in a lot of respects.
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:25:36
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snookerc
Um... "Kenya West"? ;-)
He´s Kanye West´s unknown cousin. Tried hard but never had a hit.
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snookerc
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:25:39
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And BTW, it's Kanye not Kenya. You beat me to it!  Unless that's some new "fancy" hip spelling that us old-timers don't quite get!
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:26:47
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Yeah Cakewalk! GO dump the old customers! Embrace the young pirates! Get Sonar iLok Protected!
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snookerc
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:28:34
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:30:30
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Yeah Cakewalk! GO dump the old customers! Embrace the young pirates! Get Sonar iLok Protected! Don't forget the "Auto Auto-Tune" mode where V-Vocal is automatically applied to every audio track with maximum settings. But I digress... <Spock> Business model of dumping existing customers is not logical </Spock>
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thegeek
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:33:02
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to Undertow: If I understand correctly you are trying to pinpoint to me, that it is rather the growing "gap" between me (and my ways of thinking) and the next generation which makes me think like I describe in my above post. Point taken, and, honestly, I have often tried to "see" that I just WONT be able to be objective in my judgement due to the fact that I will always be part of the one side (when I was 18 I in the "young rebel" side - now I am closer to the "olders" side). Mind you, I don't mind at all when younger people choose to ignore authority: in fact I like it and I enjoy the fact that authority has to "earn" its power over youth instead of taking it for granted. As for respect: I am a firm believer it has to be earned too, and not be demanded! Personally speaking, a 50 year old guy who uses a DAW earns my respect in many ways. Hell, my 64 year old father has never used a computer and can barely use his cell phone to call people. Reading text messages is out of the q. I guess, youth is always expected to act as above, and its up to the elders to understand, guide and put to good use the energy of youth. I will admitt that my above post was more of a frustration than a guidance (the way I replied) but I hope you see where Im coming from! ;)
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mikespitzer
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:33:33
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UnderTow
thegeek
No wonder why youth of today feels "vacant", finds no meaning in life, is bored, uninterested.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
- Socrates
I think you will find that this type of description of youngsters comes back every generation.
UnderTow
True, but that is because it is a constant state of decline.
Slightly worse and worse each generation as the bar gets lowered.
That is why our technology improves in an astounding and amazing way.
Yet, socially, morally and ethically mankind as a whole is more rude, more crime ridden, and more decadent as we go forward.
A strange ironic contrast ------- Man's personal progress fails to keep pace with his technoligical advances.
What Socrates said was true then, just as it is today.
But imagine what Socrates would think of TODAY'S kids who are even that much more worse than what he was complaining about.
Did you see the amount of pedophiles, crimes, abductions, robberies, murders, gang activity and school dropouts when you were younger 30 years ago ? ................ NO !
It is odd how much we are declining in one way , while technologically we are advancing in another.
It is as though the smarter we get on one side ------- the dumber we get on the other.
post edited by mikespitzer - 2011/01/02 11:34:36
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:33:57
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Let's see, there's a name for an attitude that pre-judges people based on things other than the matter at hand (things the critic don't share of course). An attitude that judges based on who a person is, rather than what they have to offer. If only I could remember the word...
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:35:14
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No he's right, Kenya West....Kenya waaaay West. Canada North. Argentina South. China East.
For me it would be Mick Ronson.
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Re:Forums Members holding Cakewalk back
2011/01/02 11:38:30
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For me it would be Mick Ronson. Yup, me as well. I had to Google Mark Ronson 
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