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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 27, 08 9:26 PM
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if they can make something equivalent to mackies CU at a lower price point, with tighter integration.
I'd buy it.
I am rocking a digidesign R1 right now. Go ahead, look it up. Good luck! It was part of that 888? or seesion 8 rig.
I am so over it.
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 27, 08 11:08 PM
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This sounds like a control surface to me. Count me in Bakers/Roland. I've got cash for ya right now!!! Whewhoooo!
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 27, 08 11:21 PM
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Not to put a damper on the enthusiasm here but Roland doesn't have a good track record with long time product development. I am a Roland owner too. But the stuff I have is well developed and all ready and done and is well now a classic. A control surface is a different thing and if you want to be bound to CW and Roland then fine except when they stop all development on it.
I would wait and see if its a general surface that is not bound to Sonar or if its only Sonar that can use it. Right now they need to compete with Mackie and I don't see them doing that well. This is only a caution from my own experience.
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September 28, 08 0:10 PM
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I sincerely hope Cakewalk keeps in mind that many of us already have a ton of midi faders, knobs and buttons and ACT hasn't exactly kept pace.
I'm hopeful though...
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September 28, 08 2:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: John
Not to put a damper on the enthusiasm here but Roland doesn't have a good track record with long time product development. I am a Roland owner too. But the stuff I have is well developed and all ready and done and is well now a classic. A control surface is a different thing and if you want to be bound to CW and Roland then fine except when they stop all development on it. If it's a finished and excelently working product like my FC-300 then they wouldn't need to do much more "long time" development anyway once it's on the market. 
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September 28, 08 5:47 AM
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If it's a finished and excelently working product like my FC-300 then they wouldn't need to do much more "long time" development anyway once it's on the market.
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 28, 08 5:53 AM
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it probably has nothing to do with project 5 since the text says "must buy for SONAR users".
i have a feeling inside that tells me that i will buy it not even knowing what it is yet :) hehe.
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September 28, 08 7:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: John
Not to put a damper on the enthusiasm here but Roland doesn't have a good track record with long time product development. I am a Roland owner too. But the stuff I have is well developed and all ready and done and is well now a classic. A control surface is a different thing and if you want to be bound to CW and Roland then fine except when they stop all development on it.
I would wait and see if its a general surface that is not bound to Sonar or if its only Sonar that can use it. Right now they need to compete with Mackie and I don't see them doing that well. This is only a caution from my own experience.
John: Right on. I want standards, and a sustainable product family. The Tascam DM series has proven to be solid and worth the long term investment. Yamaha promised me that with my O1X and then dropped it flat. I am in the market for a long term surface/desk under $5k - so far only the Tascam is in the running. -D
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 28, 08 9:25 AM
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seems like we just went through this about a week or two ago
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September 28, 08 11:15 AM
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OH really? I was making my way to my pc keyboard to quickly type a response but I tripped over my SI-24 and VM3100-pro that are doorstops --- ohhh never mind I have an MMP2 mic modeler I was promised would have all kinds of new models available too....ohhh did I mention the Studio-mix ? AFA development, your sir are correct, eps Keyboards, visit the Fantom Community and see how the users there feel....that being said I am excited about the new control surface/interface/expresso machine thingy... * Jinga- regardless of what others may say about you here I think you are A O.K. in my book.. ORIGINAL: John
Not to put a damper on the enthusiasm here but Roland doesn't have a good track record with long time product development. I am a Roland owner too. But the stuff I have is well developed and all ready and done and is well now a classic. A control surface is a different thing and if you want to be bound to CW and Roland then fine except when they stop all development on it.
I would wait and see if its a general surface that is not bound to Sonar or if its only Sonar that can use it. Right now they need to compete with Mackie and I don't see them doing that well. This is only a caution from my own experience.
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 28, 08 11:32 AM
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Musicman is that an endorsement of my post or a very clever disagreement?
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September 28, 08 11:42 AM
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All I can say is the recent Presidential Candidates debates are fresh on my mind...... However, John, I do agree in principle with your comment. I wish there were more options to product life-cycles and upgrade paths, BUT if they were never designed or manufactured with such goals in mind.. I forget the name of the maxum that electronics evolves every N months and is obseleted... So maybe being the first kid on the block to own the shiny new toy may not bode well for a long term investment in hardware or software? ORIGINAL: John
Musicman is that an endorsement of my post or a very clever disagreement?
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 28, 08 11:57 AM
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I fully agree. The thing is its a business and if they market it at price point that is low enough to sell well the profit may not justify a lot of development in the long term. There are a lot of things to think about before deciding on an investment in gear. I did get your post above just wasn't completely sure. It was rather funny. 
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September 29, 08 5:39 AM
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How many of you are (no pun here) making waves with your spouse about this new hardware? I have. Not only did I get the " You said S7PE was all you needed, ever!" rant when I brought up Sonar 8 last week, but I also got looked at like I was crazy yesterday because I said "Cakewalk has this new hardware thing that no one knows what it is but it must be an interface or something and I HAVE to have it"!  I know, to non musicians, it sounds crazy to be ready to whip out the ol' plastic and purchase an item that you do not know what it is or what it does, but man, this things has got me hooked bad! I feel like a CW junkie! 
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 8:34 AM
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I am very excited about this news. If the unit has preamps, wouldn't it be great if they were class A? Even better, wouldn't it be great if it could sample at rates higher than 24-bit? Sonar could theoretically record up to 64-bit! Another wish: wouldn't it be be cool if the unit has 64-bit FP FX and throughput? It would be fantastic if it also has built-in GM sounds. Maybe it wil have a keyboard as well as a control surface? Yeah! One more thing, wouldn't it be another plus if the unit has ADAT/SPDIF connections as well? Anyway, I can't wait for more news.
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 10:28 AM
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I would certainly hope that the 1st product of Roland/Cake isn't a Digidesign Icon type controller in the $50,000-$100,000 range. How many of those are sold world wide? A couple of hundred? And why buy Roland when I'd rather have Icon for compatatilblity or SSL for "name" (I suppose anyone would want to sell time in such a studio).
No, the real money is in the low end, selling thousands of units. A modular approach would be best for us consumers - a base unit that you could add extra i/o channels to, or extra knobs/moving faders. Or touch screen. So you can make the hardware conform to one's work flow/needs.
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September 29, 08 10:30 AM
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Only one thing that is VITAL to any studio!!
IT HAS TO LOOK GOOD!
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 10:49 AM
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DonM , I meant in the sense of it's old hat with regard to the machines, with the interfaces fair enough or if they use it in dedicated hard drive recorders. Just wondering how much it would bump up the price if they include it. I had that dilemma a bit when I bought something I use that doesn't have spdif built in, although I did buy it in the end (the mackie BK) as it's handy to have some of the functions of a mixing desk without the foot print of a desk (esp.. the 3 way speaker switch , and the talk back for a singer)
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 10:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: AT
I would certainly hope that the 1st product of Roland/Cake isn't a Digidesign Icon type controller in the $50,000-$100,000 range. How many of those are sold world wide? A couple of hundred? And why buy Roland when I'd rather have Icon for compatatilblity or SSL for "name" (I suppose anyone would want to sell time in such a studio).
No, the real money is in the low end, selling thousands of units. A modular approach would be best for us consumers - a base unit that you could add extra i/o channels to, or extra knobs/moving faders. Or touch screen. So you can make the hardware conform to one's work flow/needs.
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There seems to be a huge gap between the low end and the ICON end of this business. 90 percent of the people that I know of that are mixing/mastering in the business are using ICONs. If you look at Digidesigns financial statement for the past 2 years....you will find that they have profited 51Million dollars on the ICON line. Not to mention the C24 and lower line. SSL has profited upwards around 30 Million from its line. Does anyone believe that Mackie/Roland/Tascam are making approx 25 Million a year on their low end products? I would turn right around and walk out the door if I went to anyone's studio and they are mixing/mastering/recording with a home based mixer. Sorry....that's just my opinion. IF you havent used ICON, then I usderstand your statement. ICON is more than just beautiful.....Its "EXTREMELY" reliable and comes with Absolutely Fantastic support (even on-site-setup). The only problem Digidesign has is that Pro-Tools is soo far behind SONAR as far as a DAW is concerned. Sonar blows the doors off of ProTools as far as MIDI implimentation is concerned. The problem with Sonar is that its difficult to put it in a high end studio without tons of hours and labor spent trying to control it and MOST IMPORTANTLY. No support when you really need it (outside of this forum).
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 11:07 AM
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Why have we moved to talking about something that add's around 3 or 4 more zero's on the cost of what Cake/Roland are going to produce?
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 11:19 AM
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I would turn right around and walk out the door if I went to anyone's studio and they are mixing/mastering/recording with a home based mixer Really? -I am assuming you are making this statement with regards to high track count major commercial releases or Film score pieces?
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September 29, 08 11:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: gtgarner
s that Pro-Tools is soo far behind SONAR as far as a DAW is concerned. Sonar blows the doors off of ProTools as far as MIDI implimentation is concerned.
The problem with Sonar is that its difficult to put it in a high end studio without tons of hours and labor spent trying to control it and MOST IMPORTANTLY. No support when you really need it (outside of this forum).
You really hit the nail on the head there. I work at a TV and radio station. Of course what do we use? Pro Tools. Because it's the best, right? Hell no! Because they bend over backwards to provide support to commercial facilities and because of that, have established themselves as "industry standard". I guess somebody's got to set a standard for others to beat... I'll never forget many years ago playing with a Mackie Control hooked up to Cubase in a Sam Ash store. The sales man came up to me and my friend and said, "Aww man... you guys should be playing with this" pointing to a pro tools rig. "Why?". He said, "It's Pro tools... it's the best". "Why?" "It's industry standard." And I knew it was futile to argue with someone like that. But it just goes to show how much marketing has to do with brand awareness. (ahem... Bose... cough) Anyway... back to the topic at hand. Where were we?
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 11:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: plainfaced
Why have we moved to talking about something that add's around 3 or 4 more zero's on the cost of what Cake/Roland are going to produce?
I'm talking about Professional vs. Home Based Control Surface. The dollar amount does not matter to me. I would love for Sonar to go Pro in the control surface arena. Exactly DK.....Professional work requires professional tools......
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 11:29 AM
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Why have we moved to talking about something that add's around 3 or 4 more zero's on the cost of what Cake/Roland are going to produce?
Becuase we are a "Ship of Fools" - The Doors Besides, we're all talked out about that thing called SONAR 8 (WTF is it anyway?).
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 11:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: plainfaced
Why have we moved to talking about something that add's around 3 or 4 more zero's on the cost of what Cake/Roland are going to produce?
I'm talking about Professional vs. Home Based Control Surface. The dollar amount does not matter to me.
I would love for Sonar to go Pro in the control surface arena.
Exactly DK.....Professional work requires professional tools......
Yeah cool. Totally understand... If anything, this piece of hardware that Cake/Roland are producing will be "low end", not even touching the sides of something "mid range".. I think anyways.
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 11:48 AM
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I totally agree that this piece of hardware will be for home based (I don't like to say low end) applications. However, I'm hoping that Cakewalk reads these forums and will start to focus on higher end Hardware. I mean....I do own Sonar 7.2 "PRODUCER EDITION".
I just believe that there has been some great imporvements on the SONAR DAW because of these forums. If I don't speak up then I can't expect Cakewalk to hear me.
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 11:48 AM
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guys... it's a coffee maker for your studio
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September 29, 08 12:50 AM
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someone didn't like my joke and deleted my post.. a bit sensitive about our threads are we?
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RE: Future Music Sonar 8 Preview + hardware !
September 29, 08 1:29 PM
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I see your post.....about the coffee maker.
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September 29, 08 1:31 PM
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Maybe it is a coffe maker.. Maybe you let the cat out of the bag too early!!
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