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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 15:26:37
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I checked all the obvious btw...settings, etc...all is well..
So it's something in the Eco DV program that doesn't like my Quad Capture, or something...
EVERYTHING else I have works just fine...
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 15:38:59
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So you haven't installed Eco 1.5 yet I'm guessing?
Be interesting to see if it solves your problem. It does sound like a sound card issue.
I'm guessing your drives are at 72000rpm?
It's also advisable to install your data to another drive (even with Eco) though I'm guessing you probably know that already.
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 15:41:05
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I'm also guessing if it's not your card or settings and it's down to Eco DV then they'll be lots of other reports of the same thing which I've not heard yet. Having said that I'm glad you've gone for the full version of Eco and feel sure you will be too once you get a handle on it  Steve
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 16:06:58
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twaddle
So you haven't installed Eco 1.5 yet I'm guessing?
Be interesting to see if it solves your problem. It does sound like a sound card issue.
I'm guessing your drives are at 72000rpm?
It's also advisable to install your data to another drive (even with Eco) though I'm guessing you probably know that already.
Steve
Yep...drives are 7200 rpm.....and all data on seperate drive... I don't think it's the soundcard... I think it's the way DV program handles the soundcard... Eco is still downloading....almost done...we'll see... My assumption is that most who have bought this pack already have either Eco or BFD2....I haven't heard a whole lot either.. But I don't know how many actually went and played the "cymbal grooves" that are included either... If you just listen to each cymbal individually they sound great and it's all good...but when you get into "multiple" hits....POPCORN!!!
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 16:10:13
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You should let fxpansion support know about it.
Give them you full specs.
They are very quick to help people out if and when they can.
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 16:24:33
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Well at this point I'm gonna have Eco installed in a few...
They really aren't supporting that program...it's just there
for the cymbals so you can listen to them....
That's why they're not going to make it 64 bit..
I may still post a support ticket just so they are aware...
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 16:27:10
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Yeah fair point on the lack of support I guess. And with the upgrade being so cheap at the moment it works in their favour Not that I'm suggesting they would think that way of course  Steve
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 17:22:03
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cclarry
I checked all the obvious btw...settings, etc...all is well..
So it's something in the Eco DV program that doesn't like my Quad Capture, or something...
EVERYTHING else I have works just fine...
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Come to think of it, I had the same problem with it. My OC broke down (warranty! yea!) so I've been using my old E-MU 1616M and it works fine now.
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 22:13:23
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cclarry
I checked all the obvious btw...settings, etc...all is well..
So it's something in the Eco DV program that doesn't like my Quad Capture, or something...
EVERYTHING else I have works just fine...
IN and OUT of X1 PEd
Come to think of it, I had the same problem with it. My OC broke down (warranty! yea!) so I've been using my old E-MU 1616M and it works fine now.
I'm running DV and don't have that problem at all. I get all the cymbals ringing out clean and lovely. I don't see how 32bit could have anything to do with it. BTW I'm doing the upgrade from DV to BFD2. Gen 16 + BFD2 for $125.00 plus shipping. Sweeeeeeet. I'm selling my 2nd copy of T-racks 3 Deluxe to pay for it. Anyone interested?
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 23:18:15
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vintagevibe
Guitarpima
cclarry
I checked all the obvious btw...settings, etc...all is well..
So it's something in the Eco DV program that doesn't like my Quad Capture, or something...
EVERYTHING else I have works just fine...
IN and OUT of X1 PEd
Come to think of it, I had the same problem with it. My OC broke down (warranty! yea!) so I've been using my old E-MU 1616M and it works fine now.
I'm running DV and don't have that problem at all. I get all the cymbals ringing out clean and lovely. I don't see how 32bit could have anything to do with it. BTW I'm doing the upgrade from DV to BFD2. Gen 16 + BFD2 for $125.00 plus shipping. Sweeeeeeet. I'm selling my 2nd copy of T-racks 3 Deluxe to pay for it. Anyone interested?
Glad to know that VV... BTW....Eco works flawlessly....so....it's either the Quad Capture Asio....or ...who knows... But...as Paul Harvey says....that's THE REST of the story..
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/19 23:28:46
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cclarry
BTW....Eco works flawlessly....so....it's either the Quad Capture Asio....or ...who knows...
But...as Paul Harvey says....that's THE REST of the story..
I'm running a Quad Capture also.
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/20 07:34:51
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vintagevibe
cclarry
BTW....Eco works flawlessly....so....it's either the Quad Capture Asio....or ...who knows...
But...as Paul Harvey says....that's THE REST of the story..
I'm running a Quad Capture also.
VV, Did you run any of the grooves where multiple cymbals were being played... That's when the problem comes in.....if you just play the cymbals one by one they sounds GREAT....but, the minute you get into multiples they break up really bad...
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/20 10:34:25
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I'm a drummer so I play it live on a Roland kit. I did play one of the grooves briefly and didn't notice anything. I'll go back and check.
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/20 10:52:06
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OK...Mystery solved..
I decided..just for kicks...to "Run as Administrator"
Ta Da....no break up.....
DUH...why didn't I think of that earlier...
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/20 10:55:54
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I've gotta say...those are some great sounding cymbals...
And the drums in Eco are awesome...
I can't wait to hear the Rock Legends kit with the steel tip sticks...
Anyone do a comparison to Superior Drummer?
The velocity layers in BFD are excellent I might add...
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/22 18:23:35
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Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that there are no additional cymbal kit piece definitions in ECO DV beyond the 11 definitions that load when you load the default preset? I mean, when I bring ECO DV up in cymbal-only mode, I have 11 cymbals loaded. However, I can't access any of the other cymbals that are out there in the Audio area, because there are no preset definitions for them. I have installed ECO DV on two machines with different file structures, and I don't see any way to access the additional cymbals anywhere. What am I doing wrong?
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/22 19:06:58
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Not sure I understand your problem. I don't have the pack though I have both Eco & BFD2. What do you mean by "definitions"? Are you referring to articulations? There are 14 cymbals in the Z-pack so I'm not sure where 11 comes in. You usually have 3 articulations with cymbals so I'm guessing that's not what you mean. Are you saying you can only load 11 cymbals and not all 14? Steve Rail will hopefully sort you out when he picks up on this
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/22 19:58:10
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Ok.. In Eco DV you have 12 cymbals in the default preset...not 11 The BOTTOM Hi Hat cymbal makes 13, and, since there are actually 2 hi hat configurations 14 and 14A , 14A makes the 14th... I believe that is the 14 cymbals in the pack... I could be wrong.... Just to REALLY clarify, you have 11 cymbals AND the Hi Hat, makiing 12 & 13 ON THE SCREEN
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/22 20:05:31
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BTW....Rock Legends was worth the price of Eco...and getting the 64 bit host was
a MAJOR EXTRA bonus...great deal IMHO...
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/23 13:51:56
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twaddle
Not sure I understand your problem.
My wife says that all the time ... let me see if I can clarify. When I bring up ECO DV in cymbal-only mode using the default preset, there are a total of 11 cymbal channels and 1 hi-hat channel, for a total of 12 usable channels. Let's say I select the hi-hat channel, and go into the channel page. Instead of "14 A Cust Stick", I want to select a different hi-hat, say the "14 New Beat Brush", which I can see if and know I have if I go to the "Audio folder" under my "BFD Eco DV" folder. There is no way to select that particular hi-hat from the dropdown in the channel screen. There is an option to "Load a Kit Piece Preset", which attempts to access the "My Documents\FXpansion\BFD Eco DV\Kit Pieces\HiHat" folder, but there are no kit piece definitions in that folder. In fact, none of the folders under the "Kit Pieces" folder have any definitions in them. I also looked in "Program Files (x86)\FXpansion\BFD Eco DV\System\Kit Pieces" and there are no definitions in any of those folders, either. I also own BFD Eco 1.5, and it has kit piece definitions in each folder for each cymbal/drum that is available, but BFD Eco DV does not. Perhaps the install routine put them somewhere else? Does anyone else have kit piece definitions in the aforementioned folders? Thanks for any help!
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/23 14:30:50
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After researching this a little further, it appears that the only two "cymbals" that aren't loaded in the default ECO DV template are the 14 Cust Mastersound HiHat and the 14 New Beat HiHat. However, there are no kit piece definitions to allow you to load those particular hihats, and no kit piece definitions to allow loading the brush/mallet variations of the other cymbals, either. Very odd.
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/23 14:58:50
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Weird, I can't believe a thread about a cymbal pak is the hottest thread here. Well I bought it and BFD Eco($49).
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/23 15:20:02
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After researching this a little further, it appears that the only two "cymbals" that aren't loaded in the default ECO DV template are the 14 Cust Mastersound HiHat and the 14 New Beat HiHat. However, there are no kit piece definitions to allow you to load those particular hihats, and no kit piece definitions to allow loading the brush/mallet variations of the other cymbals, either. Very odd.
I'm seeing 6 Hihats listed in the ZP1 pack... what do you see (post a screen shot)...  Rail ------------------------ www.platinumsamples.com
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/23 21:24:41
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After researching this a little further, it appears that the only two "cymbals" that aren't loaded in the default ECO DV template are the 14 Cust Mastersound HiHat and the 14 New Beat HiHat. However, there are no kit piece definitions to allow you to load those particular hihats, and no kit piece definitions to allow loading the brush/mallet variations of the other cymbals, either. Very odd.
I'm seeing 6 Hihats listed in the ZP1 pack... what do you see (post a screen shot)...
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There are actually 2 Hi Hats.....a total of 6 configurations....14 and 14A with either brushes, rods, or sticks... That's all I see...but only 2 cymbal configurations...14 and 14A
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/23 21:26:48
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Semantics.... I'm trying to figure out what he's missing...
Cheers,
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/24 07:33:45
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Semantics.... I'm trying to figure out what he's missing...
Cheers,
Rail
That's what I've been trying to explain....there really isn't anything missing.... I think he's looking for something that just isn't there... To my count...as previously posted...there are a total of 14 cymbals, as advertised.... I think he's looking for more then is actually in the package .....but, what do I know?
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/24 07:36:13
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After researching this a little further, it appears that the only two "cymbals" that aren't loaded in the default ECO DV template are the 14 Cust Mastersound HiHat and the 14 New Beat HiHat. However, there are no kit piece definitions to allow you to load those particular hihats, and no kit piece definitions to allow loading the brush/mallet variations of the other cymbals, either. Very odd.
Are you using the Icon in the mixer? If you right click on the Cymbal Icon on the channel in the mixer it should bring up the different articulations and cymbals that you can load on the channel...(load kit piece)
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/24 07:37:57
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Weird, I can't believe a thread about a cymbal pak is the hottest thread here. Well I bought it and BFD Eco($49).
Good move Anubis... Money well spent IMHO...
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/24 07:56:44
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Semantics.... I'm trying to figure out what he's missing...
Cheers,
Rail
That's what I've been trying to explain....there really isn't anything missing....
I think he's looking for something that just isn't there...
To my count...as previously posted...there are a total of 14 cymbals, as advertised....
I think he's looking for more then is actually in the package .....but, what do I know?
Apparently more than me.. I couldn't understand what he was missing... that's why I was looking for clarification. Cheers, Rail
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Re:Gen16 Digital Vault Z-Pack
2012/07/24 08:30:31
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Ok....here's the confusioin....and I see where he is coming from now... When you explore the FOLDERS that contain the audio files this is what you find.. Crash 10A Crash 16A Crash 18A Crash 20A Hi Hat 14 Hi Hat 14A Ride 20A Ride 20A Custom Ride 21A Ride 21 Crash China Boy 22 Which is only showing 10 seperate cymbals in folder divisions... THAT is why there appears to be 4 cymbals NOT showing up.... What's confusing is that there is the 10A Crash and the 10A Splash The 18 A China and 18A Crash The 20A and the 20A Crash The 21A Custom and the 21A THAT is your 14 Cymbals... So the list should look like this... Crash 10A Splash 10A Crash 16A Crash 18A China 18A Crash 20A Crash 20A Custom Hi Hat 14 Hi Hat 14A Ride 20A Ride 21A Ride 21A Custom Crash China Boy 22 NOTE: There are 3 different 20A's...the Custom Crash, the Custom, and the Standard... AND on Hi Hats you have to include the BOTTOM Cymbal... THAT is the 14 Cymbals in the package... If I read everything correctly... I had to go over this a few times to understand what was going on... hence the edits..
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