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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/01 17:31:38 (permalink)
Yeah, I'm not going to be one of the first to jump in. And I say that as someone who is quite looking forward to Windows 10. I'm not touching it til I hear mutiple positive reports on these forums from braver souls than I.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/01 18:06:52 (permalink)
Big software developers/sellers ought to try Win 10 and make certain it runs okay.
 
So, Cakewalk should do it and display a message that they have confirmed reliability with their code. Then it will be left to the end users individual hardware and drivers at their own risk.
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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/01 18:10:56 (permalink)
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Yes, I'm hearing loud and clear that TB is important. I can't make any promises as to when/how, but the message is being heard in Redmond and it'll be something we bring to the appropriate teams in OSG (Operating Systems Group) at MS.


Doktor Avalanche
Predictable distancing from ASIO (hey kids ASIO is Steinberg, we want it to be Microsoft! but we can't deliver it so let's just say we will improve it later and then all your base are belong to us), so then perhaps a NEW driver model!??



kevinwal
Wow. I'm utterly stumped to see how you got here from Pete's comments, although the snark about a new driver model is an echo of a sore point for a lot of vendors, but to my understanding that issue has nothing at all to do with ASIO's stewardship. MS can't improve ASIO, they don't own it, and by what Pete says (he's closely aligned with the audio team at MS) they don't seem to want to own it.



The quote you gave above is about Thunderbolt, I "got there" from this (below)...!

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ASIO: Not sure what you're asking us to do there. ASIO drivers are created by each device manufacturer, and the spec and tech are owned by Steinberg.
We have no intention to extinguish ASIO. It's the best experience on the desktop for DAWs. At the same time, it's not necessarily the right type of driver to use across the board. There are numerous reasons, including that it would require hardware manufacturers building ASIO to create ARM and other compiles they wouldn't normally do (starting in Windows 10, apps run on everything from tiny IoT/embedded devices to phones, tablets, PCs, giant boardroom screens, Xbox, HoloLens, and more. We do have low latency work coming that will cover all those devices. If you're interested in absolute lowest latency, however, custom ASIO drivers are still the best bet,.


Regardless does not look like not much happening for DAW's using ASIO right now... This latency thing looks like a red herring.. At least right now.
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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/01 19:00:42 (permalink)
I went ahead and reserved my copy. It says it will download after July 29th but you don't have to install it right away. The biggest concern I have is my m-audio interface. m-audio as been really slow at releasing drivers. They don't even have a Windows 8.1 driver yet! Having said that, I have been running 8.1 without issue.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/01 19:44:57 (permalink)
I have also registered for Windows 10 when it becomes available. I have 2 licensed versions of windows 7. One for my internet PC and one for my audio PC. I'm going to download it to my internet PC first so I can check it out, but I sure do hope it is an upgrade and not a complete reinstall. I saw something about doing a fresh install of Windows 10 over at the Microsoft site. Does anyone know for sure if this is the case or can I just install Windows 10 and not have to worry about having to reinstall all my software? Thanks.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/01 19:48:30 (permalink)
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Big software developers/sellers ought to try Win 10 and make certain it runs okay.
 
So, Cakewalk should do it and display a message that they have confirmed reliability with their code. Then it will be left to the end users individual hardware and drivers at their own risk.

I agree and hope they will let us know for sure. Acoustica has already confirmed that MixCraft 7 runs fine on Windows 10. They've already started testing the software according to support.



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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/01 20:52:13 (permalink)
I've registered as well on 2 of my computers. i will wait on the others. What concerns me is if I can create a stand alone install from this download. Initially the upgrade is ok. but what happens if I decide to replace a hard drive and install from scratch? Do they email me a new install key or does it just use the existing one?
 
I will probably wait to install till I have sorted out those questions.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 05:20:30 (permalink)
To be honest - I'm an bit scarry about it. I still have some important questions that seem not to be answered anywhere:
 
1. Can you get an serial/registration number and download an ISO?
The reason for that is that my experince with updates (especially updates for an complete operating System) are not that great. My DAW PC is an fine-tuned system that ensures low latency and an stable environment as possible. Upgrades can do strange things with your registery, drivers and so on. So - I rather do an complete wipe, and install the complete environment (Operating system, DAW, VST, drivers, and so on) from "scratch".
 
2. If the Windows 10 environment turns out to be an less stable and/or latency friendly system, is it possible to "roll-back" to you previous system? In other words - does the upgrade "destroys" your old licence? If so - I really have to think deep and hard if I would take that risk.
 
These are the most important questions I have (there are some more minor ones), and until I really get an solid answer to them, I will NOT do an upgrade...
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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 06:55:14 (permalink)
Apparently there will be the ability to do a clean install from a downloaded image file. It sounds like you need to do the upgrade install first to make it possible, if you're going for the free upgrade, which is a bit tedious but not the end of the world.
 
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/3898/a-few-more-answers-about-windows-10-upgrades
 
I think what I'll do when I get round to it is try upgrading over my current Windows 7, and seeing how it works. Will then do a clean install if necessary.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 07:23:19 (permalink)
Note that the requirement to keep automatic updates enabled only applies to the Home edition. At least, for now.
 
I suspect that our concerns are overinflated (though yes, any paranoia toward MS has been earned). The world of Windows is very large, from military intelligence data mining to slot machines. They may not use ASIO, but they use the other 99.999% of Windows services and features that a DAW does. MS has to tread very carefully to avoid upsetting major market segments.
 
So don't worry - if MS screws the pooch they'll have some heavy-hitters to answer to, including governments and multi-national conglomerates. Even if they don't care what our tiny market segment thinks, imagine what will happen if airport arrival/departure screens start failing. There would be a grand jury.
 
Having said that, I still don't entirely trust MS to not change something fundamental just because they can. (How many Microsoft programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they just change the standard to "Dark".)
 
I am in the process of editing 300 report templates in my own software, simply because some French accented characters show up in Cyrillic under Windows 8.1. Windows 7 was OK and Windows 8 was OK, but they hosed something in 8.1 that's going to cost me a month's worth of work. Believe me, I am not a Microsoft apologist nor fanboy. I just trust that there are bigger players that'll hold MS' feet to the fire.
 
 


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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 07:26:51 (permalink)
From what I've read
1) (this part is common knowledge) the Win10 upgrade for Win7 & 8 users is free for one year,
2) (this part may be new to some) the upgrade will continue to work for the life of the device,
3) what usually identifies the device is the main hard drive in the machine and/or the CPU.
 
As far as clean reinstalls go, if I have to go buy the full version of Win10 to do that, it's only going to be (OEM) about $125 or less. Considering how much I've spent on software, it's a drop in the bucket.
 
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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 07:45:59 (permalink)
MS will always need to be able to activate the software more than once. With the current systems if you reinstall and activate too many times too quickly using the same activation code the automatic activation will fail. I have had this happen before when I reinstalled windows 8 to get a clean install after having installed the upgrade on the same computer. The only difference was the hard drive. 
 
I called them on the phone and they asked me how many computers I was running the software on. Duh one. I just told them the old drive failed and I needed to reinstall on a replacement drive. They activated me no problem.
 
I'm fairly certain they will be able to do the same with windows 10. They know that hardware breaks and parts have to be replaced from time to time.
 
Also with windows 8 the downloaded install asked if you wanted to create an iso so for an offline install. That may be an option for windows 10 as well.
 
I registered 2 of my computers for the upgrade but I will wait to run it till I am certain of the procedures and make an image backup of my system before beginning.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 07:57:38 (permalink)
I have the Win 10 preview installed on my backup system (on a separate hard drive).  I have Sonar Platinum installed, along with my Roland Studio-Capture, Frontier Tranzport (had to install this in Win 7 compatibility mode, but had to do that in Win 8.1 also) and BCF2000.  All work the same as they do in Win 7 and Win 8.1. 
 
I'm keeping a Win 7 installation (I need that for another application) so even if Win10 were to fall flat (which I don't see, so far) I'll still have a fall back if needed.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 07:59:35 (permalink)
@Fireberd Well Roland Studio-Capture users will be very pleased for your confirmation that it works (helpful), although who knows what the final build will be like...

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 09:50:56 (permalink)
This latest build 10130 is getting very close, even the Microsoft comments on the build suggest that.  They even have it named "Windows 10" on the dual boot OS selection menu. Previous versions were labled "Windows 10 Preview".   I doubt that the hardware support (e.g. my Studio-Capture) will change in the final version. 

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 12:00:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/06/02 18:39:31
CNet is reporting that the Home Version of Windows 10 may force updates on the machine (http://www.cnet.com/news/windows-10-home-edition-may-force-updates/). This to me is very worrisome. I can see a number of scenarios that can cause issues, and not just hosing your system. Imagine having to do a presentation for a group, and instead of being able to go in and perform the presentation, your computer is showing that constantly spinning circle and saying "Windows is installing the latest update. 22% complete. Do not turn off your computer."
 
Even though I went ahead and signed up for the download, I may not install it. Somethings I should have the right to control. Like what is installed on my computer - and when.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 12:11:31 (permalink)
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CNet is reporting that the Home Version of Windows 10 may force updates on the machine (http://www.cnet.com/news/windows-10-home-edition-may-force-updates/). This to me is very worrisome. I can see a number of scenarios that can cause issues, and not just hosing your system. Imagine having to do a presentation for a group, and instead of being able to go in and perform the presentation, your computer is showing that constantly spinning circle and saying "Windows is installing the latest update. 22% complete. Do not turn off your computer."
 



While I'm not a fan of this move myself, there's a reason for the distinction between "Home" and "Professional".

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 12:12:02 (permalink)
Looks like my audio PC won't be getting any updates for awhile. It's offline anyway and the only time I connect it to the internet is to download win updates or updates from Toontrack, Cakewalk, etc... In this case win updates will be turned off.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 12:18:11 (permalink)
I'm not seeing the offer on my 8.0 laptop... Maybe because I have 20 updates waiting to be downloaded/installed?

I'd like to try it on that machine before committing my DAW which is a comfortable win7 installation... Not showing the offer there either though it's up to date but maybe because it's online so infrequently?

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 12:35:44 (permalink)
Update KB3035583 is what does it:
 
http://www.infoworld.com/...ompter-downloader.html

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 12:48:35 (permalink)
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Update KB3035583 is what does it:
 
http://www.infoworld.com/...ompter-downloader.html


Thanks arachnaut...

Is that for both win7/8/8.1?

Keni

Never mind... I just visited the link... Now to discover if it's gonna force updating after installing 10... That will not work for many of us...

Thanks again...
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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 12:51:58 (permalink)
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Big software developers/sellers ought to try Win 10 and make certain it runs okay.
 
So, Cakewalk should do it and display a message that they have confirmed reliability with their code. Then it will be left to the end users individual hardware and drivers at their own risk.

I agree and hope they will let us know for sure. Acoustica has already confirmed that MixCraft 7 runs fine on Windows 10. They've already started testing the software according to support.






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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 12:54:12 (permalink)
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I went ahead and reserved my copy. It says it will download after July 29th but you don't have to install it right away. The biggest concern I have is my m-audio interface. m-audio as been really slow at releasing drivers. They don't even have a Windows 8.1 driver yet! Having said that, I have been running 8.1 without issue.




 This is why I will never buy anything from M-Audio.  All of their legacy stuff is still great.
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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 13:03:17 (permalink)
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So, Cakewalk should do it and display a message that they have confirmed reliability with their code. Then it will be left to the end users individual hardware and drivers at their own risk.


You can rest assured that The Bakers have copies of WIN10 and probably still have the open dialog with MS they've had for years. But I'm pretty sure it's not just a matter of running SPlat. I would evnture to say they have to make at least some changes to code to be forward AND backward compatible.
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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 13:07:13 (permalink)
My music computer ain't hooked up to the internet - I have to plug it in.  I don't do it as often as I should, since once I do it there might be 20 minutes of updating or an hour.  That is one way to handle unwanted updating.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 13:33:47 (permalink)
So, you guys all have AUTOMATIC updates enabled on your audio computers?
 
 
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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 13:50:15 (permalink)
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So, you guys all have AUTOMATIC updates enabled on your audio computers?

 
For all my Windows installations apart from the Windows DAW partition. I still trigger Windows update manually on that a few days after patch Tuesday when I get a chance, then I get the defragger out.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 14:10:04 (permalink)
I have it set to automatically notify me that there are updates, and then I generally let them install at the end of a day.

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 14:56:39 (permalink)
I have made my reservation for the update on my DAW desktop and laptop.
The laptop is set for automatic updates - it's my guinea pig. The desktop is manually updated.
 
For sure I will be making a full image backup before the install.
 
My situation is probably different than most of you. For me this is just a hobby, not a business.
But I was an early adopter of Win 8 and 8.1 and did so via in-place upgrade from Win 7.
I had very little trouble with that from then until now. I have not had to re-install Windows, ever.
I build my own systems. I volunteer at a local Senior Center to give PC Tech support and I see all sorts of issues all the time.
 
I feel very comfortable debugging problems and I want to keep abreast of the latest things.
 
I see no reason to fear this new OS update. It is in MS's best interest that it be a success and it will be a great boon to developers to have only one Windows base to focus on, although that may take some time.
 
The reservation process claims to have inspected my devices and found no issues.
 
There may be several 'Metadata staging failed' errors in the Event viewer for those who have MS check for device updates. MS will be updating device checks so I expect these to go away eventually.
 
Meanwhile, I keep checking 
www.eightforums.com/
for reports from beta testers.
 
This looks like it will be a pretty careful release.
Never before has MS allowed an update from anything other than the immediately prior OS version, so they have to be very careful to get this right.
 
I have always had lots of hard drives, partitions, and I have scattered bits and pieces of stuff here and there on various volumes for a long time.
 
That has sometimes been a source of problems in an update, but usually a regedit fix works. 
I recommend Registrar Registry Manager from the makers of LatencyMon:
http://www.resplendence.com/registrar
 
This is great for bulk changes of paths.
 
I have re-located all the user special folders, the pagefile and swapfile, temp files, internet caches, etc.etc. across the 14 drive volumes I use (I wish 10 did away with those pesky drive letters).
 
Not bragging, just telling you that the upgrade from 7 to 8 and 8 to 8.1 caused few problems for me, so I'm not expecting any more from 10.

 

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Re: Get Windows 10 2015/06/02 15:15:00 (permalink)
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So, you guys all have AUTOMATIC updates enabled on your audio computers?
 
 


Yup. I fear no man or OS.
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