kitekrazy1
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 15:26:35
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Since I curious about certain M-Adio hardware not working I'm going to dual boot the Tech preview on an Intel Q6600 with a FW410, AP192.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 15:27:10
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Since the beginning of windows updates, I have it disabled on all my computers.
And I set it to "tell me but don't do it" on my client's computers.
I have had way too many calls about machines not starting. Usually because of hardware updates.
I was surprised to learn so many had the w10 icon in the tray this morning.
I had w10 preview installed on a computer here a couple of months ago, and it would correctly update. three times it did its 1+ hour download and attempted install and then another 45 min roll-back.
As mentioned above, auto updates can interfere with lots of important stuff.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 17:13:56
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What I did to go from 7 to eight:
Created dual boot:
Cloned the C: disk
Installed similar sized disk
Restored to the new disk
Upgraded the new disk to 8
This way all drivers and programs were installed, most maintained registration and activation, all drivers were the same. This allowed me to change stuff as needed without totally reinstalling, or having to roll-back.
I will do the same with 10.
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Doktor Avalanche 
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 17:39:48
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Acronis backup sales are going up as we speak...
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sylent
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 18:15:20
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Anderton
Also, does anyone know for sure what kind of model Windows 10 is going to use? A subscription model, or something like Cakewalk's Membership model, or...?
I think they are using 10 as a transition. Give 10 for free to get more people to install right away, with less squacking and hold-outs. (How many in this thread would be so excited and ready if it were a paid upgrade .. in any DAW thread? lol) After a period of time, drop support for anything under 10. Wait another, shortened, period of time, drop support for 10, and now you have everyone paying a monthly fee to rent it like Adobe, not own it like CWs model. (It is MS afterall! lol) That's what my psychic future-bone tells me. lol
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John T
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 18:20:40
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I think you're right that they're trying to get everyone onto a common platform. I don't think it's likely to be a bait-and-switch, though, and I struggle to imagine them trying a rental model. MS has never made its money from individual home user sales anyway; the Windows money primarily comes from OEMs and enterprise licenses, and that's not changing.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 18:26:10
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This one MS really wants to control, and almost certainly it will be irreversible, and may kill your activation code for the prior Windows version used to upgrade it. The free version at least requires that you keep Windows automatic updates running, so likely the only choice you will be given is take it or leave it, and you will not be able to decline available updates unless you have a commercial license. This distribution model as described so far makes no provision for a downloadable iso or other method of upgrading except as part of an internet connected automatic update.
My DAW computer is off line so Win 10 looks like a no go for me, at least for now.
My DAW is mostly offline except when I update Sonar or download/update a VST... even if it was online all the time I would not leave automatic updates on. I choose the ones I want and "hide" the ones I don't want. That may be a deal breaker. J
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 18:30:50
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John T
I think you're right that they're trying to get everyone onto a common platform. I don't think it's likely to be a bait-and-switch, though, and I struggle to imagine them trying a rental model. MS has never made its money from individual home user sales anyway; the Windows money primarily comes from OEMs and enterprise licenses, and that's not changing.
You do have a good point there about the home user, even though that is always evolving and more people work remotely, it could never catch up to the main-frame systems and networks. My issue with the reservation is it says, it will download it and notify you when you can install. Even with auto update set to notify only, I'm not 100% sure we will be able to move and run it from another disc as far as the reservation system goes. I'll def let my DAW sit and watch while I try other machines, or get feedback from you guys. lol Edit: And I wouldn't call it bait and switch either way, just a 3 or 4 year transitional plan .... lol
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 18:47:49
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As far as I can work out from what I've read, free upgraders will get access to a downloadable image from the Windows Store that they can do a clean install with. However, you only get that after you've done the in-place upgrade over your current installation. Which is a bit of a drag.
I think I'll probably be trying YouDon'tHasToCallMeJohnson's method he describes above.
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kitekrazy1
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 18:57:39
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Getting the MS circle jerk - Couldn't create a new partition or locate an existing one. Yes I'm trying a dual boot. I might have to travel back to the planet IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/02 23:51:40
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I'll be curious to hear Cake chime in. They've always had some pretty deep connections with MS with regard to coding and compatibility. Hopefully they can drop some tech bizzle on us.
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kitekrazy1
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 01:01:37
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I've spent hours trying to deal with "Setup was unable to create a new system partition". This is flaw since Windows 8.
Dual boot was a no go. I'll try in place upgrade. I would not recommend dual boot on the same drive.
I might have to travel back to the planet IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!
I couldn't boot back into my OS for awhile. Acronis is your friend.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 02:22:59
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kitekrazy1
I've spent hours trying to deal with "Setup was unable to create a new system partition". This is flaw since Windows 8.
Dual boot was a no go. I'll try in place upgrade. I would not recommend dual boot on the same drive.
I might have to travel back to the planet IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!
I couldn't boot back into my OS for awhile. Acronis is your friend.
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I was able to make a dual boot Windows 7/Windows 8 system on an MBR drive. It worked, but once there was a disk check and chkdsk ran. This happened a few times and the chkdsk would not fix the problem. I finally figured out that the chkdsk was scheduled by Windows 7 and the fault was in the Windows 8 area. The partition table portion that handles the dirty bits changed from Windows 7 to 8, so a Windows 7 chkdsk can not fix a Windows 8 partition. So you really want a dual boot system to have two drives. Don't allow one OS to access another OS in any way. The "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't work for me. Preventive maintenance is a sound practice. Otherwise why see a doctor unless you are 'broken'? Sooner or later you will use Windows 10. You might not want to be the first on the block to use it, but eventually you will. It's suppose to be the last OS you will ever need. Once we are all using it, maybe we can get rid of all those compatibility layers in Windows that slow things down and make things so complex.
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kitekrazy1
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 03:41:34
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I did an upgrade from W7. It kept everything. It changes your icons. My M-Audio FW410 and AP102 work. There's a lot of features in this OS which means we will have to learn how to optimize this for audio.
BTW the start menu is superior. All apps are in order listed under letters.
As for a DAW I'm not getting better results. That could be from not knowing what processes to shut down plus I have to defrag the drive. It might be better with a clean install.
What I like it check disk is a lot faster and done in the OS and will reboot if it needs repaired and it also fast.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 08:56:28
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Some additional info I got from the Windows 10 forum and Microsoft. To get the "free" Win 10 upgrade you have to do an upgrade of the existing OS (Win 7/Win 8.1), you can't do a "clean" install. However, after you do the upgrade you can then do a clean install if needed. Here is some info posted on the Win 10 forum on this. Well, those of you who prefer clean install over the upgrade will be able glad to know that you will be able to perform a clean install of Windows 10 by wiping your hard drive after the upgrade. That is, once you successfully upgrade to Windows 10, you can clean install Windows 10 using the license. The information comes is straight from Gabriel Aul, the head of Windows Insider Program at Microsoft.
Although Microsoft has not provided much information about the clean install, Microsoft will likely allow users download Windows 10 ISO by entering Windows 10 product key that you get after the upgrade.
In short, it’s possible to perform clean install of Windows 10 once you successfully upgrade to Windows 10.
Can I clean install Windows 10 without upgrading?
No. If you’re coming from Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 and want to upgrade to Windows 10 for free, you must upgrade your Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 installation to Windows 10 first. Once successfully upgraded, you will able to perform clean install of Windows 10.
In the meanwhile, if you’re on Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 you can register for the free upgrade. And if you have already registered, we recommend you check if your computer and installed programs are compatible with Windows 10 using Upgrade Advisor in Get the Windows 10 app. And if you want to know what edition of Windows 10 you will get after the upgrade, go through our What version of Windows 10 will I get when I upgrade guide.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 11:57:56
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 12:17:24
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We don't own CW software. We purchase a license to use it until we don't or can't. Been the same with MS software for years. Always makes me crazy to hear anybody complain about buying a new copy of windows. I have clients that still use XP, which they bought with the computer for about $30. And yet they complain about how it sometimes crashes. Windows XP (and most versions of windows) has essentially cost nothing for anyone who is using, or has used it.
What bugs me the most is all this LOG-IN crap: browsers, adobe reader, an MS account to use my computer which gives immediate control to the clowns at MS.
Always connected to the net should not require always connected to MS,....
I am not opposed to subscriptions. I have mostly been endorsing pay for use since the beginning. Especially for the internet. Pay per use for email would mean essentially NO spam.
People who use CW products everyday and get paid to do so should pay more than me. Just like phone service, and gas and electric,...
If it ain't broke, perform some maintenance to keep it that way. And if it can be improved without interfering with what already works just fine, tinker a bit.
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kitekrazy1
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 12:24:55
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arachnaut
Windows 10 forum reports that one will be able to do a clean install of Windows 10 after you perform the update.
http://www.tenforums.com/...ed-clean-installs.html
Pretty dumb isn't it. BTW from my experience with W10, you may want to do a clean install. Otherwise you'll need to defrag and run a disk check and repair.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 14:26:06
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☄ Helpfulby Geo524 2015/06/04 21:56:44
You have to do the upgrade to get the free Win 10, from what I see reported. You will get the Product Key with the upgrade. You will then be able to do a clean install using that Product Key.
I have Win 10 Preview installed on my backup system. The new versions take "forever" to install but I haven't lost any user applications (e.g. Sonar and the Command Center), device drivers, etc. I haven't had any disc problems either. Win 10 Preview is installed on a separate hard drive (this is a triple boot system Win 7/Win 8.1/Win 10 Preview.
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kevinwal
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 21:01:16
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If you purchase a Win10 license you clean install without an upgrade. I believe this to be true. :)
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eph221
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/03 23:50:58
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Using the evaluation copy with Sonar Producer... solid and fast. I love 10.
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Geo524
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/04 21:51:25
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fireberd
You have to do the upgrade to get the free Win 10, from what I see reported. You will get the Product Key with the upgrade. You will then be able to do a clean install using that Product Key.
I have Win 10 Preview installed on my backup system. The new versions take "forever" to install but I haven't lost any user applications (e.g. Sonar and the Command Center), device drivers, etc. I haven't had any disc problems either. Win 10 Preview is installed on a separate hard drive (this is a triple boot system Win 7/Win 8.1/Win 10 Preview.
Thanks for the clarification Fireberd. I was wondering about when and how we'd get our product key. So upgrade to Win10 first then do a clean install? Is there any reason to do a clean install if everything works the way it should? What if I wanted to wait a few months or until next year to do a clean install? Assuming everything works with just the upgrade that is...
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/04 22:25:19
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The notification will happen in the same place as where you registered to be in the queue.
I think this queueing system is probably marketing faux, it's far more efficient for them to roll out regionally. All the information is there where you register an interest (the taskbar applet).
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/04 22:55:25
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When ever a new operating system has been released, the general consensus among IT engineers is to always do a fresh install rather than upgrade. That is so that there is little chance of artefacts from the previous operating system being present in the installation. I think with an audio production machine with its requirements for strict timing, this would be even more important. It is also recommended that a qualified IT engineer give you a hand with this as they are more likely to know a few tricks to make the transition go a smooth as possible and the end result be as trouble free as possible. Personally, I would wait until Windows 10 has seen at least one service pack before installing on a production machine. If you're lucky enough to have a spare test machine (and the spare time) then that would be a good candidate for Windows 10. Remember, you are permitted to run a copy of Sonar on two machines simultaneously, as long as you're only using one at any given time. Also, if you are running a version of Windows 7 that is not eligible for the upgrade (Windows 7 Enterprise for instance) then the cost for Windows 10 Professional will be $US199.00.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/04 23:04:38
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Yup don't be in ANY hurry to upgrade!!! Most people should be able to handle the upgrade themselves. However you have to be crazy if you aren't using something like Acronis to backup before you upgrade.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/06/04 23:11:24
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Geo524
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/04 23:17:22
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Thanks Guys. I'm definitely waiting awhile before upgrading my main audio PC. I do have a 2nd PC I use for the internet and smaller audio projects. I have a Firewire interface, Cakewalk FA66. I might upgrade this machine to see how Win10 performs, but even then not right away.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/05 01:05:31
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hEARD YESTERDAY THAT AN .iso FROM mICROSOFT will be available to do re-installs on your machine whenever you want...That is very important to me because the best way to optimize and fix your PC is to do a re-install of a clean copy of the operating system so GAME ON 10! -s 
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/05 06:48:37
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/05 06:50:38
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While I will agree a clean install is usually best, I have no problems with an "upgrade" to a PC that is fully Win 10 compatible, both hardware (including recording hardware) and software.
Years ago it was a debacle to do an upgrade. Anymore its not that way.
As everything (Sonar Platinum and my recording hardware and other software) I've tried works OK with the Win 10 Pre-release versions, I will do the upgrade. If everything works OK (and I expect it will) I won't go thru the hassle of the clean install.
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Re: Get Windows 10
2015/06/05 10:51:19
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Unless you are able to format the drive, it won't be a clean install per se'. Windows will take the old OS and put it in a folder Windows old. Having a utility to write the drive to zeros would be optimum before a clean install.
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