vintagevibe
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I think my long-winded point is:
Just because you're having a bad time, doesn't mean that anyone who is okay is Ahole, or a "fanboy". It is just working well for them.
But some like to forget that the opposite is also true. Just because it works fine for you doesn't mean there are not serious bugs.
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John
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Both are true. But its no reason to take it out on the forum members. A more considerate approach will get helpful answers or in those cases where a bug is confirmed you will have the forum 100% behind you in getting it fixed.
Calling members fanbois gets you nowhere. We all know that frustration can enter a post and for the most part I believe we take that into account. Yet no one here has to be here trying to help. Its strictly voluntary and it would be nice if posters realized they are dealing with real people.
Consideration should be paramount in dealing with posts here. We really don't want anyone going away thinking this is an unfriendly place. There's too much of that elsewhere.
We can strive to make it better for everyone.
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Splat 
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@vintage wasn't that point already made?
I swear some people only just read the first few lines of any post.
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@vintage wasn't that point already made?
I swear some people only just read the first few lines of any post.
Are you still mad because I wouldn't give you the secret club handshake?
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In my experience here there's also a couple of other definitions of fanboi... Sonar fanboi = name used by User A (who is not having good experience of Sonar) towards User B (who is having a good experience). Usually bought on by User A unable to believe User B might actually be experiencing different results with the same program. Also used by User A in situations where bugs exist (who is unable to work around any problem and who chooses to moan constantly about how it doesn't work rather than get on with a way that does) towards User B (who files a bug report and then works around the problem while waiting for a fix) I think it's fair to say this board has a smattering of both User A and User B types. 
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I think it's fair to say this board has a smattering of both User A and User B types. Hey! I resemble that remark! 
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Yes, Sonar has some bugs. I save often  What's embarrassing is pilot error bugs, like having MIDI notes cut out because I didn't have a big enough MIDI buffer. Or my personal favorite - bouncing clips to make a composite vocal and ending with a clip that had no audio. I finally figured out that having "Mute" enabled on a particular lane while bouncing probably wasn't a good idea.... The only bug that really impacts me so far relates to grouping and moving large numbers of clips. The other one that crops up is every now and then the Concrete Limiter gets stuck at a gain-reduced setting. I also think bridging technology is problematic in general. I had several crashing problems before I went through all my plug-ins one day and made sure that Sonar was seeing the 64-bit versions of plug-ins instead of the 32-bit ones if both were installed. That made a huge difference in terms of stability. As in, HUGE. There have been other bugs, but they're not repeatable and happen rarely, so they don't really impact me...I just close, re-open, and keep going. But the weirdest bug I EVER had was when all of a sudden, the audio became distorted, like the Master Out had been turned all the way up. It drove me crazy trying to figure out what the problem was, I spent about an hour checking levels, seeing if some saturation plug-in had become enabled accidentally, checking latency, you name it. Finally, I gave up and booted up Ableton Live... and its audio was distorted too. Argh. I turned off the computer, turned it back on again, and the audio was fine and has been fine ever since. WTF?!? Anyway, now it's time for me to say good-bye to the forum. Bye everybody! Good-bye!! See ya! ..because I have a mix I'm working on, and I want to finish off the guitar processing before I go to bed It's a cover of the Animals' "We Gotta Get Out of this Place," and it will end up on my YouTube channel one of these days. If Sonar crashes or freezes, I'll return and let you know.
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I may be mistaken but I think someone from Cakewalk said X1 had been the most successful SOnar ever. Could you find the thread Mr Helpful- I can't be arsed.
My apologies, I got the quote slightly wrong: John
I have used X1 from its release. I have not had any significant problems with it. Actually X1 as a first release was far and away the best first release CW ever put out.
8 had problems and so did 8.5. I remember with the release of 8 that many had a lot of crashes.
Each update to X1 has not just fixed bugs but added features. The quick fixes were started to speed bug fixes in a more timely fashion. That may lead some to believe that X1 has far more bugs than previous versions. It did have its fair share but not to any amount greater than the others.
One strong reason I was so adamant in defending X1 when some posted negative things about it was to prevent this type of post. You got a false impression about X1 because some dissatisfied posters posted in some cases opinion without ever having used the program. They were opposed to the new GUI. They put it in such a way that it seem as if it was buggy.
Sonar X1 Producer Expanded with update D is a great Sonar and far better than any previous version. It has always been stable on my system. Not just this latest version but all the versions of X1.
Often problems posted here with X1 are due to user error or simply never reading the manual. Others have flaky gear. Yes there have been bugs and there still are some. But CW has been on top of them from the very start.
You can be sure that X1 will work for you and you will be amazed at just how good it is. You may kick yourself for waiting so long to get it.
The whole thread is HERE.
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deswind
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Anderton . . .
..because I have a mix I'm working on, and I want to finish off the guitar processing before I go to bed It's a cover of the Animals' "We Gotta Get Out of this Place," and it will end up on my YouTube channel one of these days. If Sonar crashes or freezes, I'll return and let you know.
Interesting - apparently the OP took that song to heart :)
On a serious note - I am still using 8.5.3 and do not have any bugs that affect the work. As soon as I am done with a long ensuing project, it is time for X2.
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Splat
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Goodbye. No sod it, hello.
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jb101
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Goodbye, Forum, I'm leaving too.
I'm giving up music and starting a labradoodle breeding farm, as there appears to be quite a market for them.
And I think I know where to find a decent poodle grooming service..
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backwoods
I may be mistaken but I think someone from Cakewalk said X1 had been the most successful SOnar ever. Could you find the thread Mr Helpful- I can't be arsed.
My apologies, I got the quote slightly wrong:
John
I have used X1 from its release. I have not had any significant problems with it. Actually X1 as a first release was far and away the best first release CW ever put out.
8 had problems and so did 8.5. I remember with the release of 8 that many had a lot of crashes.
Each update to X1 has not just fixed bugs but added features. The quick fixes were started to speed bug fixes in a more timely fashion. That may lead some to believe that X1 has far more bugs than previous versions. It did have its fair share but not to any amount greater than the others.
One strong reason I was so adamant in defending X1 when some posted negative things about it was to prevent this type of post. You got a false impression about X1 because some dissatisfied posters posted in some cases opinion without ever having used the program. They were opposed to the new GUI. They put it in such a way that it seem as if it was buggy.
Sonar X1 Producer Expanded with update D is a great Sonar and far better than any previous version. It has always been stable on my system. Not just this latest version but all the versions of X1.
Often problems posted here with X1 are due to user error or simply never reading the manual. Others have flaky gear. Yes there have been bugs and there still are some. But CW has been on top of them from the very start.
You can be sure that X1 will work for you and you will be amazed at just how good it is. You may kick yourself for waiting so long to get it.
The whole thread is HERE.
Here I'm trying to have peace here and I think you are trying to stir up trouble. To each their own I guess. Just so you understand why I said that, that was my experience going back to the Pro Audio days. CW has always had problems with its first releases. I recall in a version of Sonar that it wouldn't install because CW had an installer that was looking for a certain DirectX version which was no longer in Windows. It was a huge problem for many. If you recall the numerous patches and fixes CW has provided for every version there is no way to say that they were without issue. To me X1 was relatively bug free in comparison. No one has to agree though. The problem as I saw it was CW put out a new version that was markedly different from all the past versions which caused a lot of angst some of which was due to a very new GUI and user error not to bugs as such. But there were bugs also. This didn't help things for those trying to decide whether to upgrade or not. But then you should know that.
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deswind
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It wasn't just the change in GUI - but the fact that in 8.5.3 you have a lot of choices in colors and overall look when it is something you may be looking at for hours. To go from that to something more stagnant is going backwards.
I am not saying this is a reason to give up on Sonar, but the Cakewalk folks need to know that some people care about this feature.
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My guess, is that there's some shifting around of employees and so in the software development department. I say this because some of the bug's I've noticed in X2 do not exist in X1 - meaning these bugs are regressions. As for the color change issues - I mentioned somewhere else that the fixed resource bitmap approach is kinda old-school and limits things a bit. Hopefully, the next evolutionary release will consider something more modern and flexible. That and menus and commands being more context sensitive - less monolithic. ..three cents.. 
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X2 is much better than the beta version of it, X1. Being able to have assignable controls via FX Chains in the Pro-Channel (and actually being able to do something as simple as scroll the contents of the Pro-Channel inspector now) are huge additions from a workflow perspective. To be able to have whatever main functions you usually employ right there at the track header is a world beater from a workflow perspective. I could see something in the Pro-Channel concept which has actually started to bear fruit aside from the boutique 'modules' none of which I wanted to occupy such an important and integral part of any of my tracks. It may just swing me back into the fold on this newest version, I'm just glad I avoided the X1 debacle, it was a painful step which has obviously contributed to the latest version and Sonar's future, but I'm glad I was personally spared the pain of an 18 month beta that I had to pay to be on. Looks to me like the turkey's been plucked and streamlined to such an extent it might even fly agin...  I've just thought of a new definition of 'fanboy'. That is anyone that is still prepared to maintain that X1 was anything more than a badly bugged, half-implemented developmental phase that destroyed a lot of goodwill toward Sonar as a viable product among many long-standing dedicated users. Long live Sonar! X2 and beyond.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/11/18 20:18:58
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John
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Yes thats a good idea. Digital is dead long live analog!!!! Or not.
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Jim Roseberry
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Analog is the only way.
Regular maintenance has *always* been a part of studio recording. Tape head alignment, cleaning, etc... Trouble-shooting computer issues is the modern day equivalent. Editing on analog tape? Nobody I know (including many clients) would ever want to go back to full analog recording/editing/mixing. I say take some time off... recharge your batteries... and start with calm level-headed trouble-shooting toward whatever issue/s you're experiencing. Many folks are using X2 successfully. Note I'm not saying there aren't *some* issues/bugs... but if you can't do basic recording/mixing at low latency, there's more to the problem than Sonar.
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If jsg really is leaving ...GOOD. He's a hateful snob who must have had classical whining training to go with his mnusical training with a minor in condescending studies. I wish him well but his attitude will not be missed in the slightest.
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Dude screw cubase.. and screw anything digital.. I spent all day troubleshooting this crap trying to get a recording to play back without distortion. You record on a reel-to-reel you record then rewind and hit play and it plays back. And it sounds 100% better then the recording made on a computer. Warm and beautiful. I hate digital. I used to love it. I loved everything about computers. I don't know why.. it's all crap. I hate I spent my life with this crap. Troubleshooting this and that everyday. What a waste of time. I wish all I had was a reel to reel and some reels. But since digital came along it drove the prices of the good stuff up. That's why you use digital right? Because it's cheap. It's cheap and it works like cheap. Analog is the only way. Please boycott all that is digital. Lets drive the digital companys into the ground by boycotting them and let analog take over again at lower prices. Please?
I actually agree with this to an extent. When using tape and my console as well as rack effects and pre's etc, you fired it up, you recorded, you mixed and you were done. And...just about always unless you neglected to take care of your gear like Jim mentioned, it worked! That said, one of the blessings for me as well as a curse using Sonar is, it forced me to learn about computers. I do not think a DAW should have that kind of power but let's face it, there have been times when all of us have had to do things to our systems that really shouldn't have had to be done. Right wrong or otherwise, that's really how I feel. Now the blessing part of this is, having been forced to learn this stuff, I like to consider myself a middle of the road to advanced PC/Operating System user. I'm happy that I don't have to send my pc's in to be fixed or I can just send Jim an email and pick his brain for a second to get me back on course when I'm a bit lost. Sonar has a lot to do with that for me because I would not have gotten into some of the stuff I got into without it. That said, I still don't believe we should have to go there when using a program. Some guys have really had a hard time using these PC DAWS and have been forced to do things they probably shouldn't be doing. No one should have to be a pc savvy guru to make a program work yet sometimes, it's the only way. I can't tell you how many times crashes have messed me up. The same as I'm sure they have for all of you. I've never had that problem using my reel to reel machines. However, the editing and assorted goodies I CAN'T get from tape, make it worth all the hell I've been through in the DAW world and I'd never go back to tape. If a person can get through all the learning curves a DAW has as well as some of the trouble-shooting, there's no way they'd want to go back to tape. The key is getting that well-oiled machine. If you've never had it with a pc, there's no way to compare. Having lived on both sides of the fence for many years, I'll take Sonar over my reel machines that I still have to this day. -Danny
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Dude screw cubase.. and screw anything digital.. I spent all day troubleshooting this crap trying to get a recording to play back without distortion. You record on a reel-to-reel you record then rewind and hit play and it plays back. And it sounds 100% better then the recording made on a computer. Warm and beautiful. I hate digital. I used to love it. I loved everything about computers. I don't know why.. it's all crap. I hate I spent my life with this crap. Troubleshooting this and that everyday. What a waste of time. I wish all I had was a reel to reel and some reels. But since digital came along it drove the prices of the good stuff up. That's why you use digital right? Because it's cheap. It's cheap and it works like cheap. Analog is the only way. Please boycott all that is digital. Lets drive the digital companys into the ground by boycotting them and let analog take over again at lower prices. Please?
If you'd just like to add your computer specs to your signature............. Okay I'll get my coat.
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Anderton
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I spent more time maintaining analog tape than I've spent maintaining DAWs. And I was pretty good at window splices
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Dude screw cubase.. and screw anything digital.. I spent all day troubleshooting this crap trying to get a recording to play back without distortion. You record on a reel-to-reel you record then rewind and hit play and it plays back. And it sounds 100% better then the recording made on a computer. Warm and beautiful. I hate digital. I used to love it. I loved everything about computers. I don't know why.. it's all crap. I hate I spent my life with this crap. Troubleshooting this and that everyday. What a waste of time. I wish all I had was a reel to reel and some reels. But since digital came along it drove the prices of the good stuff up. That's why you use digital right? Because it's cheap. It's cheap and it works like cheap. Analog is the only way. Please boycott all that is digital. Lets drive the digital companys into the ground by boycotting them and let analog take over again at lower prices. Please?
You'd get a better response on Gearslutz It also sounds like you know bugger all about proper gain staging in a digital system, but I enjoyed the rant! And I think your username is a TOS violation
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Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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just stopped by to see whether the funeral is still going and if there is any food left ... but do i need to read all posts in between to get some?
anyway, looks like this foucoko guy might (no! should) be next to say goodbye ... we can do without you. there is enough negativism around and some of it is based on experience rather than lack of intelligence
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GOOD TUNES LAST FOREVER +++ Visit the Rehab +++ DAW: Platinum/X3e, win10 64 bit, i7-3930K (6x3.2GHz), Asus Sabertooth X79, 32 GB DDR3 1600MHz, ATI HD 5450, 120 GB SSD OCZ Agility3, 2x 1TB WD HDD SATA 600 Audio-Interface: 2x MOTU 1248 AVB, Focusrite OctoPre, (Roland Octa-Capture) Control-Surface: VS-700C VSTi: WAVES, NI K10u, FabFilter, IK, ... (too many really)
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please please. mods, don't flush this downstairs, just lock it...
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Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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funny it's been flushed ... partly at least - that ranting foucoko guy, his posts, and his entire bashing thread is gone. no one will miss that ... positive censorship, chinese style
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The problem with bashing is that it is a pointless waste of time and will not result in any positive action. (For legitimate complaints, contact the company directly.)
Technical forums are for questions, answers, and camaraderie.
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