anniedog
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Good Bye.
FYI Cubase 7 is to be released Dec 5th. I looked at the features plus yamaha's new production io ethernet based and expandable console console integration and Daw control . if it works as advertised it will blow everything that exists now away.This even has a special ASIO guard to prevent dropouts. I think I will be moving on. No offence to CW or current users. I was there once was. But no one is listening any more to the users just too many bugs still in X2. It can do all kinds of fancy looping, virtual instruments but cannot track a simple 24 track session without multiple cracks pops latency and dropouts .. My time and my clients time are far too valuable to wait for X 20. It really will take that long until someone gets it and fixes the code from the ground up.I See other loyal cake walkers sniffing out other Daw sites so I am afraid I am not the only one. I'm glad I own no stock in this company. I don't think I could sleep knowing my money was in a very leaky boat with impaired deck officers.  Maybe you really should bake cakes , because code writing just is not working for you. My only loyalty from this point on is to my clients and myself.Hard earned cash should buy solutions and not admission to Daw Hell. Please remove from forum. I do thank the kind helpful members for help over the years. I do however believe now this company in beyond help.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Bye then. I'm 100% sure your issues can be fixed but, so long, and thanks for all the fish.
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As with everything "the grass is Always greener on the other side" . I just hope you're not looking at weeds instead of grass. Good luck with cubase.
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Mully
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Hey see you Annie. Not sure about the crackles etc coz I'm working on 24+ track stuff now on a reasonably outdated quad core and have no pops etc but I can however certainly understand your frustration with the lack of surface integration and support etc. Will have a look at the Yamaha offerings...wasn't aware of them as you describe but not sure I could jump to Cubase. Anyway, you'll be missed so hope it all goes well and also hope you get a chance to let us know how it works out for you. That could be beneficial to others if you get a chance to drop an update. Cheers.
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robert_e_bone
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Goodbye then, Mr Chips. If you were to pause from wallowing in self pity long enough to pay a decent amount of attention to the countless threads that are in this forum where people have audio crackles and dropouts, you would have seen that in 100% of the cases the issue was with one or more of the following: 1. Slow computer 2. Little computer memory 3. Cheesy sound card - sometimes even the on-board sound chips 4. Not using ASIO 5. Improper settings for ASIO, such as sample rate mismatch or using too high a sample rate 6. Hardware/software issues with the computer that interfered with audio streaming 7. Anything else along these lines that I missed My point is this. In virtually EVERY single posted thread on audio dropouts and crackles, it has NEVER been an issue caused by Sonar. So, you want to go - guess what, your dropouts and crackles will follow you to whatever recording software you think is going to be the Holy Grail. And don't blame Cakewalk for your being too lazy to research that issue, and too lazy to apply that research to properly configure your audio hardware/software environment for audio processing. To the best of my recollection, the rest of us have figured out how to configure things so that dropouts and crackles are eliminated for probably close to 100% of projects out there - although some have to freeze/bounce/etc mostly due to not enough memory in their computers for projects that have a zillion tracks and a boatload of virtual synthesizers. Even those projects have a proven method of getting rid of any audio problems, through freezing/bouncing. That leaves just you, because you didn't take the time or effort to set things up properly. Are there bugs? Sure, there are. There always will be. That is true of every piece of commercial software that has ever been developed. Maintenance is scheduled and performed on a triage basis, where any show stoppers are dealt with first, and then other fixes are addressed through a variety of methods of determination of things like impact of any given issue to the users - issues that affect more users more often are given more priority than more obscure bugs. That's how things work in software development. Nonetheless, there are a whole bunch of folks being quite productive using X2, and X1, and 8.5.3 - working within whatever limitations there are, but working nonetheless. Coffee tastes better when you aren't crying in the cup. Good luck. Bob Bone
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GIM Productions
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anniedog wrote: FYI Cubase 7 is to be released Dec 5th. I looked at the features plus yamaha's new production io ethernet based and expandable console console integration and Daw control . if it works as advertised it will blow everything that exists now away.This even has a special ASIO guard to prevent dropouts. I think I will be moving on. No offence to CW or current users. I was there once was. But no one is listening any more to the users just too many bugs still in X2. It can do all kinds of fancy looping, virtual instruments but cannot track a simple 24 track session without multiple cracks pops latency and dropouts .. My time and my clients time are far too valuable to wait for X 20. It really will take that long until someone gets it and fixes the code from the ground up.I See other loyal cake walkers sniffing out other Daw sites so I am afraid I am not the only one. I'm glad I own no stock in this company. I don't think I could sleep knowing my money was in a very leaky boat with impaired deck officers. Maybe you really should bake cakes , because code writing just is not working for you. My only loyalty from this point on is to my clients and myself.Hard earned cash should buy solutions and not admission to Daw Hell. Please remove from forum. I do thank the kind helpful members for help over the years. I do however believe now this company in beyond help............. Hi i can't read your spec....i don't know.Many Sonar's problems are easy to resolve and the deep knowledge ok your DAW help you.I'm a pro and i haven't any Sonar problems with my rig.The new workflow is awesome and i have great stability and short latency value.I have recorded 16 audio tracks with PC LA2A in real time and the lead vocal and the back vocals were surprised by the monitoring quality.My clients were begun to choose the Sonar prj over Protools Prj for its clarity and dinamic (64bit)sound.Reading the Cubase forums i wish you good luck.Best.Roby
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DeveryH
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I've tried to go to other daws, yet I keep coming back. I am happy with the direction Cakewalk is taking. Especially after their rocky X1 release. FWIW I've never had problems with the software. I've recorded three albums for myself. At times I've had over 120 tracks in a song (with effects). Not a crack, not a pop, no latency, no dropouts, nothing. No exaggeration! The only time I've had problems was when my memory sticks went bad. I could have blamed it on the software, but because the software had always been stable for me, I knew it was hardware. Your hardware might react differently to a different DAW, but for what it's worth, Sonar has always been harmonious with mine. Knock on wood. Ciao allora
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Any DAW not yet released is perfect :).. Personally if i ran a business and had paying clients the last thing i would ever consider is to purchase something as critical as a DAW sight unseen.. but go ahead, burn them bridges, fella
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FastBikerBoy
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I'm afraid that if you can't track 24 tracks at once you've got far bigger problems than your choice of software. Good luck.
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TEN_K
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MMMM , Sad all he expressed is his opinions and got a heckels raised by the fans. I have been using CW since pro audio 8 so it's not like I'm not loyal to CW but times are changing and IMHO things aren't as rosy as some might wish but there are major flaws in some parts that have been there for quite a while 8.** onwards. I don't complain about them on these forums or any other I wait for a fix. It hasn't been forthcoming and I cant see it happening soon. It's always explained away by difffernt MOBO configs ASIO driver settings ETC.. I can see where he's coming from and I'm exploring how well some other daw combos might work better. STILL an X1d user for now..........................
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Splat
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BYE. You would think it would be cheaper to stick with X1 and wait for a service pack for X2, or plea for help but each to their own. If you can't use 24 tracks efficiently ask yourself why others can? That's most likely your hardware or lack of optimization with Sonar, you've neglected to say if there were issues with X1 or not. But hey drama and finger pointing is always fun to read.
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FastBikerBoy
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I don't think it's a case so much of raised Heckels or not from me anyway. I just think there are more issues with his setup than software choice if tracking 24 at once is a problem. Not liking the direction that CW has gone is fine and a good reason to look elsewhere. Something as simple as tracking problems indicates a bigger problem which may or may not be solved by swapping programs. X2 certainly tracks a lot more than 24 at once here and that's on a lowly laptop, to me that suggests the OP has some sort of set up problem.
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Splat
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> Sad all he expressed is his opinions and got a heckels raised by the fans. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the original post was one big heckle towards Cakewalk.... the love you take is equal to the love you make. Did you actually read the original post? One HUGE heckle: > I See other loyal cake walkers sniffing out other Daw sites so I am afraid I am not the only one. I'm glad I own no stock in this company. I don't think I could sleep knowing my money was in a very leaky boat with impaired deck officers. Maybe you really should bake cakes , because code writing just is not working for you. My only loyalty from this point on is to my clients and myself.Hard earned cash should buy solutions and not admission to Daw Hell. Please remove from forum. I do thank the kind helpful members for help over the years. I do however believe now this company in beyond help. So sad  .
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Metalbat
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Bye then, and don't forget to close the daw on the way out.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Strangely enough, he said this exactly one year ago: " I have used Slimeberg, and No Tools and do not use them anymore because of their lack of customer support"
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ProjectM
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I have one foot in the Steinberg camp and the rest of me in the Sonar camp. People pay me to use Nuendo for them so I do it. I can tell you, there are some weird issues with Steinbergs as well. I hope you don't get disapointed because the grass is no greener on that side of the fence. However, they are releasing some seriously nice looking kits now, and the new control surface looks awesome with Nuendo! When they get Cubase and Nuendo stable they will probably be really awesome, but they'll never be Sonar  I almost juped ship before X1 came so I see where you are coming from. Good luck! And which ever way you put it, it's always good to use more than one DAW.
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Man I tried to stay out of this, but here goes. @Anniedog: I feel your pain. If I were in a professional environment, I have to admit, I would never use Cakewalk software. I understand that software has it's quirks and little bugs here and there ... but nothing to the extent that X1 and X2 have given us. I don't understand why people are so loyal to a corporation and spout off like in post #5. Dude ... there is so much wrong what you said in that post that we would be here for a year discussing it. Cakewalk has absolutely ZERO loyalty to anyone here. Same for Cubase, ProTools, and all the others. They are here to make money. Period. They aren't here to help you through your day, or befriend you. The people at Cakewalk are there to pay for their cars, homes, children, etc. If anyone has any notion of anything different and feels all warm and fuzzy inside because they've stayed loyal to Cakewalk and feels the need to come on here and defend them and belittle anyone who takes a stand that says they've had enough ... well ... you're an fool in my opinion.
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Splat
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Here come the trolls. Any more for any more?
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bitman
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Why does everybody announce their "bye bye"? Really gets under my skin. Posers.....
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stevec
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I understand that software has it's quirks and little bugs here and there ... but nothing to the extent that X1 and X2 have given us. I wonder just how large the "us" in that statement really is... It's obvious from this forum that many are (and have been) getting along just fine, quirks and related sundries aside. And this is the same place created to handle problems, bugs, questions, etc. I suppose it's all relative.
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Even with my teeny experience with computers,Iv'e learned enough to know that ANY software is going to do weird things occaisionally,and nearly all problems are user error,or crappy setup. As far as Steinberg,I v'e tried twice to use Cubase LE,and can't get past the e-licencer runaround to even get it to work ha ha,yet X2 everyday,a total breeze. Bob
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azslow3
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bitman Why does everybody announce their "bye bye"? Really gets under my skin. Posers..... May be there are scared by "fan boys"? Even if these fan boys can not update the forum software (I see it is 2009... 3.5, I can also see that 2012... 3.9 exists), they could create "Bugs and complain" thread (sticky, can be premoderated, with FAQ at the top) and so significantly cleanup the forum. So far, SONAR is the most buggy commercial software installed on my PC. I like it! But that does not change the fact. If someone will say that is "my fault" or "bad hardware", I can only answer: if you are real professional in music, most probably you just had no time to learn how computers works so long as I did... PS. I had no intention to spam there, I wrote (much more detailed) priv. mail to one Platimum member but I have got no response.
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konradh
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The more complex the software, the more bugs and quirks you will have. How hard the Sonar bugs hit you depend on what paths you go down. I use a LOT of VSTs (mostly virtual instruments) and I work 90% in Staff, so the Sonar bugs hit me harder than most people. Still, changing to another DAW and getting a different set of bugs is not worth it to me--and I find Sonar support and forum good overall. If I were going to change, I would probably take a look at Studio One v2, but I would rather spend my time on writing and recording than starting over. I do feel sorry for the OP: the need to make a dramatic last statement tells me he is probably very frustrated and that is a shame.
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Dave Modisette
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I'm not objectionable to anyone changing platforms. In fact I am very interested in how it works out for you and I hope you will give an honest (non fanboy) assessment of how the new version of Cubase works out for you as compared to X2.
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Splat
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Nor am I, as long as your don't spit out the hatred, where on earth did this fanboy concept come from? I am agreeing X2 needs a service pack. Never use first iterations of software in production - simple as that. X1 is stable as a rock, it had 4 service packs - go figure. Same with any complex software sorry, if you use first iterations of software then you are the testers.
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trimph1
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I'm sensing that the angst thing is still around, eh? What is it with all the hairshirt stuff here? I'm thinking that the computer might be the issue here a well, I've been tracking about 46 tracks with no problems...mind, my attention tends to be limited ....
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Adroen
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Does Cubase still require a dongle? I'm just not a dongle convert. Why did that word ever get invented, lol. Say it over and over. Dongle dongle dongle. No dongle is good dongle as far as I'm concerned. But each to their own dongle I guess. I've got nothing against dongle users, just the dongles themselves. Where am I going with this, I don't know. Ad Edit: I hope it works out well for you Annie.
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Dave's post is more to my liking. A mature and wise point of view. A way to take an unpleasant thread and turn it into a learning thread. I have used other DAWs. I own more DAWs than I need. Am I in jeopardy here because I do? Are members going to attack me because I have these other DAWs? We wouldn't know that the OP is looking at Cubase without his post. If he hadn't posted would we care? I know that even after his post I don't. As to X2 having bugs of course it does. Can it record 24 + tracks at the same time? Sure it can. So we know that the issue the OP is having trouble with is peculiar to his system. Can it be fixed? Yes it can. Will we be able to fix it perhaps but we wont know unless the OP wants our help. Should we be upset about it? I don't see why.
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