as to the 'old code' i don't really think that anyone can deny it, iirc (and i usually do) , not so long back one of the cakewalk employees made a post which in essence said, that they were (planning to) taking the knife to sonars core and removing the old inefficient code' not word for word of course, but that's the essence of what was said. if you want to read it seek and ye shall find, unless it has been removed, (i have no need to prove it i know what i read and that it was said by a cakewalk employee) so old code is a fact, not that that necessarily means it's bad of course, but cakewalk must think it is to be "taking the knife to it" so argue with them if you must. i think we have already seen it in action in stuff they are doing and have done, upcoming ripple editing - removing all that problematic stuff with deleting holes etc, perhaps all the copy/paste/selection quirks, perhaps the recent performance improvements (although that may be due to just new stuff, idk) etc etc etc.

The Grim
as to the 'old code' i don't really think that anyone can deny it, iirc (and i usually do) , not so long back one of the cakewalk employees made a post which in essence said, that they were (planning to) taking the knife to sonars core and removing the old inefficient code' not word for word of course, but that's the essence of what was said. if you want to read it seek and ye shall find, unless it has been removed, (i have no need to prove it i know what i read and that it was said by a cakewalk employee) so old code is a fact, not that that necessarily means it's bad of course, but cakewalk must think it is to be "taking the knife to it" so argue with them if you must. i think we have already seen it in action in stuff they are doing and have done, upcoming ripple editing - removing all that problematic stuff with deleting holes etc, perhaps all the copy/paste/selection quirks, perhaps the recent performance improvements (although that may be due to just new stuff, idk) etc etc etc.

Thanks , for the reply,.Paul and Grim.
No need to argu with anyone about it
cause I´m a happy sonarian.
I´m just curious about the reflex of some forumities
to bring up  the "old" code  in every DAW comparison discussions.
 
regards

No,! we are talking here about perception, when you open new DAW. and if it takes a second, for a task it took me hour to figure out, and another 10 min ifi do not use it for a while, I think its a legitimate question.
 
if you primary business is recording, then its a different story. Your comment about Studio ONe is just the thing I am talking about...simplification.
 
Cakewalk should have a PUNCH list, and a PROCESS which should go first.
 
this a decision problem, what should we change first.......adding stuff for marketing purposes, advanced features...or simlifiction process od GUI..
 
I do not know how this is detrmined, but Studio one, and Abelton are pure guidance that customer do care about it..in my opinion,sonar with proper management would run circles around them a decade ago
 
I know, there was a problem with Roland, that treated Cakewalk like a foster child, because od Boss brand etc......but now its a fresh start, and i am trying to let them know

I believe someday there will be a DAW which we will be able to custom tailor to our own needs.
Insert our own code in simple ways. We are just not there yet.
Until then, enjoy what we are doing in this day and age.
 
It wasn't too long ago I was cutting tape all night long to complete one kick track.

Sonar starts in 3 seconds for me, ready to go.  Old code or not, that's good enough!

Its hard for me to tell if this thread has been taken over...  (sarcasm)

thedukewestern
Its hard for me to tell if this thread has been taken over...  (sarcasm)

I guess this one will not die soon enough.

Maybe a hybrid of Reaper and Studio One?

Cactus Music
The OP-  October 03, 15 9:46 AM 
 
So I'm not sure why this thread is still here. I guess these threads with catchy titles get everyone's attention much more so than someone needing help. 
If the powers that be were smart they's move them to a sub forum right away. 
 
 

Yeah, I noticed this is a thread from 2015.
 
It's inevitable that old threads will sometimes get bumped by people finding them via search, and you can't expect everyone to notice a thread's age.
 
I agree with you about the catchy titles, but not so much about moving the threads. To me, that would seem like the "powers that be" are being defensive and hiding something. The smart thing to do is take feedback where you can get it. Of course, it won't all be useful or actionable.
 
I also think some people here are too touchy. They react like any criticism of Cakewalk/Sonar is a personal attack on their life choices.
 
I've only known you to be helpful, Johnny, so thanks for that.

Kev999

Cactus Music
So I'm not sure why this thread is still here...
If the powers that be were smart they's move them to a sub forum right away.

 
Which sub-forum would they move it to? The thread has "Sonar" in the title and it's in the Sonar forum. Maybe the content of the original post says more about the poster than it does about Sonar, but I still believe that it is in the right forum.

I hadn't realized this thread was so old, but it did appear at the top of the list, so it's obviously still quite relevant.
 And yes indeed it did catch my eye being as of late I've been getting increasingly frustrated with the subscription plan, and seemly utter lack of support. I've been waiting months for a reply concerning Rapture Pro. All I got was an instant response email with a case number.
 I don't know if support was always that way, as I've rarely needed it, and this forum was always quite good and very helpful for searching for solutions.
 However

kitekrazy1

thedukewestern
Its hard for me to tell if this thread has been taken over...  (sarcasm)

I guess this one will not die soon enough.

 These are quite an abysmal solutions, nothing more then opinions and seemingly more politically directed than technical. Now I don't come here very often, never really had to, but this seems like an indicator that this user forum might just be turning into "da BOYZ Club" and certainly isn't what it used to be.
 Really not a place for things like using sarcasm as a tool for solutions.
Sarcasm used improperly has a way of making you seem more like biased idiot then being witty, so umm, I'm sorry if I'm boring you genius's.
 I wouldn't even be here looking for answers and solutions if I hadn't noticed annoying problems mounting up.
Perhaps there aren't "problems" that can be fixed at all, and just new and improved terms of "conditions" I have to live with. 
 If that's the case, I'll just live with SONAR and the Cakewalk products I own the way they are, and not give them anymore money is all.
 And oh yeah, I really thought the DAW technology, innovation, and development went through the roof during the period when Roland owned/partnered with Cakewalk, which was a very natural progression. Certainly and obviously the main reason it caught the eye of a behemoth like Gibson Brands which is more like an unnatural Wall St. progression.
 Maybe SONAR peeked out, heh?
 
Anywoo, as I've stated before SONAR is my absolute FAVORITE DAW, and one in which I find is the most customizable and feature rich DAW available on the market, and as I've stated above, I work in several different DAW environments. Not because I want to, because I have to.
 There is no one best of anything, no size fits all solution,  it's just a matter of finding the right tools for the right job.

Starise
You have 30 days to try out the product for free. I would imagine you could even make that longer if you used two trials on different computers.
 
There really is no excuse for trying a product for an extended period of time, buying it and then deciding you don't like anything about it. Download the demo, try it out and in the end if you don't like it, don't buy it. I suspect some people might buy without trying it first. No matter what you used prior to this, you will be more familiar with that program initially and a new working environment will take some adjustment.
 
If you download the demo and you can't seem to figure it out there are many  videos and helpful notes in the software. In addition there's always the manual. If you have questions there are plenty of people here willing to help.

 Thanks man, ya know you might have a shot at a career in marketing.. Yep, and all the best wishes.

Is the OP gone yet? 
 
Do we start making fun of him now?

Thanks Starise, but no need to apologize as no offense was taken. And yes indeed I believe SONAR has WAY more then enough to suit anyone's personal workflow needs from capturing live musicians and tracking audio/MIDI performances, to loop and groove based genre specific sequence composition and everything in between to the point of actually offering way too much for any one user too even get a grip on all of it.
 Which I might add is utterly impractical if not impossible to do with a 30 day free trial
 
 I'd go as far as to say that I haven't found much or anything that couldn't be done in SONAR, I just had to go about doing it differently.
 And this I believe was the OP's main problem, he expected SONAR to have silver bullets included to make it behave the way HE wanted it to, with all the controls, buttons, and levers in all the same places which was exactly like FL.
 Most likely one of those who say stuff like; "HELP FILES! I don't needs no stink'in Help Files.
 
Now I was never one who was even comfortable working with prerecord rhythm patterns 
 It didn't take me long to figure out a MUCH easier and smoother way to work with ACID loops in SONAR then it is with ACID Pro, and combining and using Cakewalk's MIDI Groove Clips makes SONAR seem like ACID on STERIODS with a turbo charged engine with overhead cam and glass packs.
 What typically takes hours to arrange and edit in ACID takes minutes to do in SONAR, and you can easily shave off many more minutes from that just with SONAR's ProChannel.
 I tried to convince many of my ACID/artist/collaborators who were blown away with the speed, efficiency, and superior sound quality I was achieving to try the 30 day SONAR trial, and I would not only walk them through it, I offered a custom mixed SONAR project of a song we were already collaborating on in ACID Pro.
 Only 2 out of 10 jumped on the offer, no one else would even budge and only one purchased SONAR, and eventually went back to using ACID after about a year because he wasn't happy at all with support, and because of overly complicated patching and routing issues he had to go though every time he added a track.
 
 A problem which still exists today, even with all the offered templates, all of which miss the mark on basic I/O assignments, though most of us here most likely are so used to it we don't really notice it anymore.
 
Now I know the bakers are all so busy what with getting SONAR to run right on a Mac and all, but............. Ummm..... Well, I don't mean to be disrespectful but my money says that that will prove to be an enormous waste of time and money.
 Does anyone, and I mean ANYONE really believe that they can win over and change the minds of a Pro Tools or Logic Pro user to jump ship?
 Does anyone, and I mean ANYONE really believe Apple will even continue making and developing desktop or even laptop computers long enough for Cakewalk to even attract new Mac Head users that don't automatically [and correctly] assume that Pro Tools or Logic Pro are the ONLY true professional choices for a most powerful, smooth, and reliable workflow?
 
Oh BTW, Logic Pro is the SONAR of the Mac Head World, and it is a VERY SERIOUSLY SERIOUS CONTENDER!
 It is also the hands down winner of the lowest latency with Focusrite Scarlett Gen 2 interfaces. An astonishing 1.7 ms @ 24/96 ROUNDTRIP with USB 2 which easily supports routing and running VST audio plugins as channel inserts or Aux. in real time audio recording with undetectable latency.
 2x-3x lower latency then I register with SONAR which would still be low enough to be great IF SONAR supported running VST audio plugins in real time, which it doesn't.
 
 It's things like these we notice when and if we ever leave the SONAR Bubble.
 
 Sorry boyz and girlz, as much as I love SONAR, it is not the best, nor will it ever be offering it to Mac Heads that been picking on it for the past 20 years or so. LoL