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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/01 17:55:15
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Thanks Ryan will try this later when I get home.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/01 23:56:02
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There's two things you can do here. One, uninstall all of your Waves plug-ins and reset your plugins within Sonar (this will delete any saved settings in a session for some reason). Install Waves again, and watch for the installation directories. You will be asked where you want your 64-Bit plugins, your 32-bit plug-ins, AND where you want WaveShell to be installed. You want ONLY the 32-bit plugins to install in a directory Sonar will never find. However, the 64-Bit plugins and the WaveShell MUST exist in both VST locations for 64 and 32 bit plug-ins, don't ask me why. Then, rescan for the plug-ins in Sonar and you should be all set.
The other option is to simply find your 32-bit plugins (in a directory close to your 32-bit WaveShell), and either delete them or simply move them to a hidden place. Then, re-scan for your plugins, possibly resetting your plug-ins in Sonar, which, again, will delete saved settings in your projects.
To get around the lost Waves settings, I had to go to each and every plug-in and manually save the plug-in's setting, then recall each plug-in's setting after the full reset.
The bottom line was that you NEED the 32-bit WaveShell as well as the 64-bit, but you ONLY need the 64-Bit plugins, which are normally installed in a directory close to or next to the WaveShell. This, of course, can be pre-determined by you during the Waves install as I mentioned in the first option.
Hope this helps!!
Thanks I will try that.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 00:37:27
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brconflict
To get around the lost Waves settings, I had to go to each and every plug-in and manually save the plug-in's setting, then recall each plug-in's setting after the full reset.
So you still have to manually recall plug-in settings when you open an old project? Or was that a one time thing?
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 02:53:20
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sharke
I'm right on the brink of abandoning ship. I've had one of those nights. I use a lot of Waves plugs and Guitar Rig effects chains and both of them have serious problems with Sonar, at least on my machine. Some time ago I had a problem with Sonar resetting these plugs every time I open the project. It went away for a while and now it's just randomly come back, without me changing anything. I've opened a bunch of projects tonight and every single one of them had all of the Waves EQ's screwed with, either completely zeroing out the settings or turning off the bands or changing hi pass filters to band pass filters. Some of the settings I'll never get back and it's basically kicked my mixes back to square one after weeks of work. Same thing with Guitar Rig effects chains....all settings zeroed out. I am so freaking mad right now....this and many other oddities, bugs, corruptions and plain design flaws have just left me too sour to rule out a change to Cubase or something else. I wouldn't have minded so much had the Bakers kept us in the loop regarding bug fixes, update plans etc, but they're not going to bother are they. No amount of protesting on this forum is going to make one of them chime in and say "listen guys, we know there are issues, we're working on it, you should see an update in before the fall" or anything like that. So I think we've gotten the message.
I can't work like this. And it's just a hobby for me at this point! I cannot imagine what it must be like for those of you whose livelihoods depend on it. I opened 6 projects tonight and the mix is ruined in every single one of them. Last night I bought a couple of Waves items in the sale and spent most of the night trying to get Sonar to recognize them. Anyway, I'm about done. 
Hi my friend! Do like I did. Change to Cubase 7, you wont look back.Let me tell you; its the best thing I have done in long time. I'm so pleased so even invest in Steinberg CMC control system. Never ever have one single crash yet. Can' t say that about SONAR.I can also remotely record any of the Artist I working with in any Record companies studio in LA remotely (without any latency) tracking directly into my Cubase 7 DAW in 48kHZ , 96kHz 32bit when I working example in New York-studio. All this with help of Cubase 7 and "VST CONNETC Performer" system that are free to download to use for the ARTIST/ STUDIO even if you don't own CUBASE. Cubase 7 / Nuendo is one of the advance professional DAWs on the market. Glitch free audio, External inserts with hardware's like Compressor, Effects work without any round up latency on the system (SONAR is a disaster regarding that functionality), VST3, professional Score, VIDEO, Pro-MIXER, Meter functionality. K- support all professional standards even for broadcast, VARI audio 2.1, Build in "Melodyne", Tighter audio, Tighter MIDI. Working with 3part plugins softwares is like a dream. professional Automation with smart functions and curves, Take lower CPU VS SONAR same project and plugins-(check on my projects)...and on... The built in "EQ" with analyzer sounds outstanding like same as SONAR Pro Channel EQ. And by the way, you don't need to do any "work around" or anything. Cubase just work as it meant to do with WAVES plugings, Native Instruments, Spectrasonics or Melodyne etc... Simple things as loop with Melodyne that fail in SONAR of course work in Cubase 7. Also all large professional DAW system on the planet support Cubase 7 Nuendo 6, Cakewalk doesn't even support their own control system? Just as I jump on aboard we have had 2 major update already with graphic and bug fixes. 7.0.4- 7.0.5. 7.0.5 come like for 3 days ago. Steinberg has already announced a new 7.0.6 with many new ICONS in mixer-view and many new GUI enhancement but also more new functions to the program for free. Cakewalk has not announce once single update this whole year, the last was since 12/18/2012. Now Cakewalk talk about paid update X3? You can make you own conclusions...
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 09:44:24
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Freddie H
sharke
I'm right on the brink of abandoning ship. I've had one of those nights. I use a lot of Waves plugs and Guitar Rig effects chains and both of them have serious problems with Sonar, at least on my machine. Some time ago I had a problem with Sonar resetting these plugs every time I open the project. It went away for a while and now it's just randomly come back, without me changing anything. I've opened a bunch of projects tonight and every single one of them had all of the Waves EQ's screwed with, either completely zeroing out the settings or turning off the bands or changing hi pass filters to band pass filters. Some of the settings I'll never get back and it's basically kicked my mixes back to square one after weeks of work. Same thing with Guitar Rig effects chains....all settings zeroed out. I am so freaking mad right now....this and many other oddities, bugs, corruptions and plain design flaws have just left me too sour to rule out a change to Cubase or something else. I wouldn't have minded so much had the Bakers kept us in the loop regarding bug fixes, update plans etc, but they're not going to bother are they. No amount of protesting on this forum is going to make one of them chime in and say "listen guys, we know there are issues, we're working on it, you should see an update in before the fall" or anything like that. So I think we've gotten the message.
I can't work like this. And it's just a hobby for me at this point! I cannot imagine what it must be like for those of you whose livelihoods depend on it. I opened 6 projects tonight and the mix is ruined in every single one of them. Last night I bought a couple of Waves items in the sale and spent most of the night trying to get Sonar to recognize them. Anyway, I'm about done.
Hi my friend!
Do like I did. Change to Cubase 7, you wont look back.
Let me tell you; its the best thing I have done in long time. I'm so pleased so even invest in Steinberg CMC control system.
Never ever have one single crash yet. Can' t say that about SONAR.
I can also remotely record any of the Artist I working with in any Record companies studio in LA remotely (without any latency) tracking directly into my Cubase 7 DAW in 48kHZ , 96kHz 32bit when I working example in New York-studio. All this with help of Cubase 7 and "VST CONNETC Performer" system that are free to download to use for the ARTIST/ STUDIO even if you don't own CUBASE.
Cubase 7 / Nuendo is one of the advance professional DAWs on the market. Glitch free audio, External inserts with hardware's like Compressor, Effects work without any round up latency on the system (SONAR is a disaster regarding that functionality), VST3, professional Score, VIDEO, Pro-MIXER, Meter functionality. K- support all professional standards even for broadcast, VARI audio 2.1, Build in "Melodyne", Tighter audio, Tighter MIDI. Working with 3part plugins softwares is like a dream. professional Automation with smart functions and curves, Take lower CPU VS SONAR same project and plugins-(check on my projects)...and on... The built in "EQ" with analyzer sounds outstanding like same as SONAR Pro Channel EQ.
And by the way, you don't need to do any "work around" or anything. Cubase just work as it meant to do with WAVES plugings, Native Instruments, Spectrasonics or Melodyne etc... Simple things as loop with Melodyne that fail in SONAR of course work in Cubase 7. Also all large professional DAW system on the planet support Cubase 7 Nuendo 6, Cakewalk doesn't even support their own control system?
Just as I jump on aboard we have had 2 major update already with graphic and bug fixes. 7.0.4- 7.0.5. 7.0.5 come like for 3 days ago. Steinberg has already announced a new 7.0.6 with many new ICONS in mixer-view and many new GUI enhancement but also more new functions to the program for free.
Cakewalk has not announce once single update this whole year, the last was since 12/18/2012.
Now Cakewalk talk about paid update X3?
You can make you own conclusions...
Freddie, please read our TOS. If your new role here is solely to sway people to jumping ship, I'm going to have to ask you to please stop participating. People have been reporting posts like this because they don't want them to be a part of the community. This is supposed to be a place for us to help one another, not constantly badger people to switch to different products. You're welcome to your opinion, but if your role here is simply telling people to buy competitors products we're going to be forced to lock your account. This IS spam.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 09:59:24
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 10:10:28
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 10:29:59
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Yes, kudos to Ryan.
Regards,
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 10:31:57
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 11:09:56
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Good to hear chatter from the CW crew as of late! Wish you guys were more active here, and that the hierarchy gave you the go head to clam the forums down . Freddy has many Valid issues , some are the reasons why i just dropped $500 for another Daw. If I heard some chatter about Cw plans i would of waited , BUT I have no Idea if X3 is on the way in month a year , no clue . I feel the same way as others do. What is going on? Freddy should of be banned along time ago for abusing the font size !  If his post was in breach of CW's TOS , You should erase it and warn him by email. My mind is conjuring up ideas of why you made it public and nothing positive is coming to mind. :(
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 11:19:51
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Good to hear chatter from the CW crew as of late!
Wish you guys were more active here, and that the hierarchy gave you the go head to clam the forums down .
Freddy has many Valid issues , some are the reasons why i just dropped $500 for another Daw. If I heard some chatter about Cw plans i would of waited , BUT I have no Idea if X3 is on the way in month a year , no clue . I feel the same way as others do.
What is going on?
Freddy should of be banned along time ago for abusing the font size !
If his post was in breach of CW's TOS , You should erase it and warn him by email. My mind is conjuring up ideas of why you made it public and nothing positive is coming to mind. :(
Because us Cakewalk staff shouldn't feel like we have to hide in the shadows to prevent people from abusing their privileges. I've liked Freddie all along, but people need to know this forum is not a posting board for telling everyone to go to your favorite other program. This isn't a game for us, it's our livelihood and I think we've been extremely patient considering we allow this to happen all the time. In addition, I asked publically versus just deleting it because last time I edited someone's post (one that contained profanity in it) I had pages full of people mad at me for doing so.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 11:27:51
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bitflipper
Thank you, Ryan.
+1000! Keni
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 11:28:15
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
djjhart@aol.com
Good to hear chatter from the CW crew as of late!
Wish you guys were more active here, and that the hierarchy gave you the go head to clam the forums down .
Freddy has many Valid issues , some are the reasons why i just dropped $500 for another Daw. If I heard some chatter about Cw plans i would of waited , BUT I have no Idea if X3 is on the way in month a year , no clue . I feel the same way as others do.
What is going on?
Freddy should of be banned along time ago for abusing the font size !
If his post was in breach of CW's TOS , You should erase it and warn him by email. My mind is conjuring up ideas of why you made it public and nothing positive is coming to mind. :(
Because us Cakewalk staff shouldn't feel like we have to hide in the shadows to prevent people from abusing their privileges. I've liked Freddie all along, but people need to know this forum is not a posting board for telling everyone to go to your favorite other program. This isn't a game for us, it's our livelihood and I think we've been extremely patient considering we allow this to happen all the time. In addition, I asked publically versus just deleting it because last time I edited someone's post (one that contained profanity in it) I had pages full of people mad at me for doing so.
Fair enough Ryan :) .. I agree with you .. I still would just erase anything that hurt your business its CW's forum.
Still he should be banned for abusing the font Size :)
Maybe make a sticky about TOS and in force it. You right its your pockets and its real life.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 11:29:52
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+1 on stepping in, Ryan.
The explanation was spot on, thanks.
Bob Bone
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 11:38:24
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
djjhart@aol.comGood to hear chatter from the CW crew as of late! Wish you guys were more active here, and that the hierarchy gave you the go head to clam the forums down . Freddy has many Valid issues , some are the reasons why i just dropped $500 for another Daw. If I heard some chatter about Cw plans i would of waited , BUT I have no Idea if X3 is on the way in month a year , no clue . I feel the same way as others do. What is going on? Freddy should of be banned along time ago for abusing the font size ! If his post was in breach of CW's TOS , You should erase it and warn him by email. My mind is conjuring up ideas of why you made it public and nothing positive is coming to mind. :(
Because us Cakewalk staff shouldn't feel like we have to hide in the shadows to prevent people from abusing their privileges. I've liked Freddie all along, but people need to know this forum is not a posting board for telling everyone to go to your favorite other program. This isn't a game for us, it's our livelihood and I think we've been extremely patient considering we allow this to happen all the time. In addition, I asked publically versus just deleting it because last time I edited someone's post (one that contained profanity in it) I had pages full of people mad at me for doing so.
Good choice Ryan... While I have many complaints and opinions re:Sonar choices, I've been around here for a long time and feel this is a place in support of Cakewalk products and Users... Nothing wrong in mentioning choices and differences, but there's a limit to what is "polite" Freddie has always had some good points to make, but sometimes a bit over zealous so I'm glad that you found a way to gently advise him and let the community know first hand... Thanks... Keni
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 11:39:16
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i agree with Ryan, i was part of that profanity laced thread (no i wasn't the one using the profanity)
but i think you did the right thing in that thread yet a lot of users asked "why'd you do that" ??
almost a no win situation.
just keep on doing what your doing Mr. minnus.
it all good in my book.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 12:17:33
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Sharke, I feel for you. I had the exact same problem as you. GR effects would be zeroed whatever I did whenever I re-opened the project. That was back with X1. The problem just seemed to go away. After upgrading to X2, Ive never had the issue and I use GR on every song. If it works on mine, but not on yours, there must be a reason. If you want to check any settings with me go ahead, I really want this solved for you without quitting the DAW itself ...
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 14:13:14
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Freddie, please read our TOS. If your new role here is solely to sway people to jumping ship, I'm going to have to ask you to please stop participating. People have been reporting posts like this because they don't want them to be a part of the community. This is supposed to be a place for us to help one another, not constantly badger people to switch to different products. You're welcome to your opinion, but if your role here is simply telling people to buy competitors products we're going to be forced to lock your account. This IS spam.
I'm sorry Ryan and rest of the members of the FORUM. I can guarantee you all here that that will never ever happen again. My attention is take part "positive" in this forum not Spamming. I really sorry that it came out that way. I hope you all can accepted my apologies.  I feel also really sad to see some of you have so much "hate" about me being here? Sending "hate" replies is against TOS too, is n it? I though I was accepted and appreciated member of this forum? All the time I have spend and all other positive things I have help other members with, share tips with SONAR, with all you members thru the years, and now other members sending more less "hate" back? I guess I was wrong... Best Regards Freddie
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 14:24:02
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Keni
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
djjhart@aol.comGood to hear chatter from the CW crew as of late! Wish you guys were more active here, and that the hierarchy gave you the go head to clam the forums down . Freddy has many Valid issues , some are the reasons why i just dropped $500 for another Daw. If I heard some chatter about Cw plans i would of waited , BUT I have no Idea if X3 is on the way in month a year , no clue . I feel the same way as others do. What is going on? Freddy should of be banned along time ago for abusing the font size ! If his post was in breach of CW's TOS , You should erase it and warn him by email. My mind is conjuring up ideas of why you made it public and nothing positive is coming to mind. :(
Because us Cakewalk staff shouldn't feel like we have to hide in the shadows to prevent people from abusing their privileges. I've liked Freddie all along, but people need to know this forum is not a posting board for telling everyone to go to your favorite other program. This isn't a game for us, it's our livelihood and I think we've been extremely patient considering we allow this to happen all the time. In addition, I asked publically versus just deleting it because last time I edited someone's post (one that contained profanity in it) I had pages full of people mad at me for doing so.
Good choice Ryan...
While I have many complaints and opinions re:Sonar choices, I've been around here for a long time and feel this is a place in support of Cakewalk products and Users... Nothing wrong in mentioning choices and differences, but there's a limit to what is "polite"
Freddie has always had some good points to make, but sometimes a bit over zealous so I'm glad that you found a way to gently advise him and let the community know first hand...
Thanks...
Keni
I have no problem with Ryan! He is a good guy and he is right to address me and remind me about TOS- Note: my attentions was NOT to SPAM. My post just come out totally wrong. As already said it will never ever happen again. I will never ever criticize SONAR or Cakewalk or talk about any other 3part Software in this FORUM any more. I will only share positive post about SONAR from here on... Best Regards Freddie
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 14:24:30
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Hi Freddie...
No, you are appreciated as well... You just get a bit over zealous at times as do I...
I re-write many of my psts before actually posting them to keep watch on myself...
Keni
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 14:26:18
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Freddie, folks overreact to things. It is just as incorrect to think we are all like the folks who overreacted to whatever you had posted earlier.
I have agreed with you on things in the past, and have disagreed with you too. At no time did I bash you or anything like that. And I am not taking your comments to have been directed at me - I am just using that as an example for a larger point.
I believe most folks in the forum express themselves in a civil manner, regardless of agreement/disagreement with individuals. There are of course exceptions, but I believe those are few and far between.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 14:30:03
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Keni
Hi Freddie...
No, you are appreciated as well... You just get a bit over zealous at times as do I...
I re-write many of my psts before actually posting them to keep watch on myself...
Keni
Thanks Keni! I'm glad you like me. I like you too! Thanks for the tips. I think I will follow your "hint" re-write before post.  to eliminate this kind of misunderstandings in the future. Have a great week my friend! Best Regards Freddie
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 14:51:11
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Freddy Fwi I mean no disrespect .. I'm just bustin chops about your fonts size .
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 15:00:44
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Dear Freddie, You've taken enough abuse for your sales pitch. But I have to honestly ask: If you are done with Sonar, and "wont look back," why are you still posting in Sonar forums? I imagine you still feel burned by Cakewalk's communication black out, and letting you go as a long-time customer? I understand, trust me I'm with you. But we're all aware of the alternatives, and if someone posts here, they are trying to make the best of Sonar specifically. All said, I don't think it's out-of-bounds to post your impressions of Cubase 7 in the SOFTWARE forum, which exists for "Discussion focused on non-Cakewalk audio software." And I hope you do: I for one am very interested in your experience! Cheers!
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 15:01:38
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I left for Cubase after over 10 years with Sonar....and I could not be happier. I still visit occasionally. ..hoping that my old love will come back to me. I just dont see it right now. Cubase is incredible. ...for what ist worth. Also...I dont write this kind of a post on a whim. Check out my profile....been here a minute. Heck, i bought the v studio (both units) when it was released....how many can say that? And...even though I have moved on to Cubase, I still pop in to keep up with Sonar....it's my first love. Ive seen Freddie over on the Cubase forum recently. He's a good dude.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 15:08:43
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Sharke, I've had problems with Waves stuff for years but always seemed to figure out a way to make them work. One thing that is super important when using Sonar or any other DAW that allows you to choose plugin directories....keep 'em separated.
One of the biggest issues I've had with the later releases in Sonar, was using the Sonar default folders for all my VST plugins. This has worked for years without a problem until the X series. I've NEVER had 32 bit versions open in 64. So I had to change my directories so that everything is clean and clear. From there, Ryan's instructions fixed me. Reset, rescan and you should be ok. The Xray thing he mentioned didn't work for me though. My Waves GUI in Sonar has been jacked since Waves 6 or 7. The fix for me is to turn the knobs/faders/modules slowly.
As for your plug reset thing...uggh, I can't fathom what that must be like. One thing I have noticed that is sort of close to what you're saying is, none of my plug presets ever load up with names. I've just started seeing this in Sonar X and never remember this happening in 8.5. For example, save a plug setting in that plug's VST window, save the project and close it. Reopen open the plug which is on the track and the name I saved is not in the plug. BUT....the preset I saved IS there and can be seen in the menu of the presets window. It just doesn't show the name as THAT loaded preset. I've seen this with plugs I've used in the past that I haven't installed again yet. Open a project in X, the plug isn't there but that fake plug window is and it usually says the name of the preset used even though the plug is not loaded. In the X series, it doesn't say anything.
I know you're frustrated. I think stuff like this is harder for a hobbiest to handle than someone that makes an income from it. The reason being, this is your vice...you work all day and can't wait to get into your studio and create music or mix something....only to be faced with more stress and angst than you had at work today because things just aren't working right. I don't have time to be upset. The client is sitting right here next to me with confidence that I will take care of the problem.
Sort of like when you'd be with your dad when you were a little kid, and something scary would be happening....your dad always kept his cool and told you "stop worrying, daddy's here" and sure enough, all was well. He never showed fear eventhough he may have been poo'in his pants and it made you stronger to where you didn't worry. LOL! That's how I have to make my clients feel, so I don't have the time to get upset when something happens in "the field" so to speak. By the time I get done with things and have time to be mad, I'm usually too tired to care and would rather sleep. LOL! :)
With me thankfully, I can just switch over to another DAW to keep things moving if I have problems. Most times I save .OMF files of my client projects in the event there is a problem, I'm covered. OR I have back up work files that can just be opened on another machine that has another version of Sonar on it if need be. So thank God, it's pretty hard for me to lose any time or work other than if I have to trouble shoot something. But I'm blessed to have several computers and other DAWs if need be to just go with until I find out what the deal is.
Anyway, I hope you sort out your issues man. Good luck.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 15:30:07
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I did understand from Waves that they are in communication with Cakewalk about resolving the Waves issues. Steinberg has similar issues in Wavelab 7-64bit, where it may not even recognize 32-bit plug-ins at all, maybe to cope with the Waves problem. I think it's a partnered issue, in that Waves decided to use one shell for all plug-ins vs. loading them each as separate .dll's. I believe this is why the install has all software from Waves to install, and you check/tick the plug-ins you want to license. Sonar, on the other hand, and this has been the case with X1 as well, seems to hold a specific Waves plug-in version hostage, preventing itself from locating updated plug-ins, should you download a later sub-version install of the WaveShell.
I'm hoping Waves will ditch the WaveShell (I sincerely hope so), and for Cakewalk to build a bit more flexibility in code versions of plug-ins, instead of creating or reading some detailed signature for each plug-in that cannot be changed or Sonar will puke. It's a ROYAL pain to try and update Waves plug-ins because of this.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 16:43:09
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Danny Danzi
Sharke, I've had problems with Waves stuff for years but always seemed to figure out a way to make them work. One thing that is super important when using Sonar or any other DAW that allows you to choose plugin directories....keep 'em separated. One of the biggest issues I've had with the later releases in Sonar, was using the Sonar default folders for all my VST plugins. This has worked for years without a problem until the X series. I've NEVER had 32 bit versions open in 64. So I had to change my directories so that everything is clean and clear. From there, Ryan's instructions fixed me. Reset, rescan and you should be ok. The Xray thing he mentioned didn't work for me though. My Waves GUI in Sonar has been jacked since Waves 6 or 7. The fix for me is to turn the knobs/faders/modules slowly. As for your plug reset thing...uggh, I can't fathom what that must be like. One thing I have noticed that is sort of close to what you're saying is, none of my plug presets ever load up with names. I've just started seeing this in Sonar X and never remember this happening in 8.5. For example, save a plug setting in that plug's VST window, save the project and close it. Reopen open the plug which is on the track and the name I saved is not in the plug. BUT....the preset I saved IS there and can be seen in the menu of the presets window. It just doesn't show the name as THAT loaded preset. I've seen this with plugs I've used in the past that I haven't installed again yet. Open a project in X, the plug isn't there but that fake plug window is and it usually says the name of the preset used even though the plug is not loaded. In the X series, it doesn't say anything. I know you're frustrated. I think stuff like this is harder for a hobbiest to handle than someone that makes an income from it. The reason being, this is your vice...you work all day and can't wait to get into your studio and create music or mix something....only to be faced with more stress and angst than you had at work today because things just aren't working right. I don't have time to be upset. The client is sitting right here next to me with confidence that I will take care of the problem. Sort of like when you'd be with your dad when you were a little kid, and something scary would be happening....your dad always kept his cool and told you "stop worrying, daddy's here" and sure enough, all was well. He never showed fear eventhough he may have been poo'in his pants and it made you stronger to where you didn't worry. LOL! That's how I have to make my clients feel, so I don't have the time to get upset when something happens in "the field" so to speak. By the time I get done with things and have time to be mad, I'm usually too tired to care and would rather sleep. LOL! :) With me thankfully, I can just switch over to another DAW to keep things moving if I have problems. Most times I save .OMF files of my client projects in the event there is a problem, I'm covered. OR I have back up work files that can just be opened on another machine that has another version of Sonar on it if need be. So thank God, it's pretty hard for me to lose any time or work other than if I have to trouble shoot something. But I'm blessed to have several computers and other DAWs if need be to just go with until I find out what the deal is. Anyway, I hope you sort out your issues man. Good luck. -Danny
Thanks for the advice Danny, I might actually reinstall and reorganize them to make a fresh start so to speak. Turning X-Ray off didn't work for me either, but do you know what did? A graphics card driver update. I updated my Radeon drivers the first time I had the Waves GUI problems and it didn't improve, but when I updated them again last night it seemed to fix the problem completely, even on the dreaded SuperTaps delay plug with the screwed up tap sliders. So if you're using a Radeon card and haven't updated for a while, might be worth trying. It feels so good to use my Waves plugs and have all the knobs and parameters moving smoothly! You're totally right about technical problems stinging more as a hobbyist. Yeah I often only have a couple yof hours in the afternoon or evening, and it's so frustrating to have to spend half of that time Googling issues & solutions.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 16:45:14
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I did understand from Waves that they are in communication with Cakewalk about resolving the Waves issues. Steinberg has similar issues in Wavelab 7-64bit, where it may not even recognize 32-bit plug-ins at all, maybe to cope with the Waves problem. I think it's a partnered issue, in that Waves decided to use one shell for all plug-ins vs. loading them each as separate .dll's. I believe this is why the install has all software from Waves to install, and you check/tick the plug-ins you want to license. Sonar, on the other hand, and this has been the case with X1 as well, seems to hold a specific Waves plug-in version hostage, preventing itself from locating updated plug-ins, should you download a later sub-version install of the WaveShell. I'm hoping Waves will ditch the WaveShell (I sincerely hope so), and for Cakewalk to build a bit more flexibility in code versions of plug-ins, instead of creating or reading some detailed signature for each plug-in that cannot be changed or Sonar will puke. It's a ROYAL pain to try and update Waves plug-ins because of this.
Isn't there a way of decoupling the Waves .dll's from the shell? I could swear I read about an app which does that some time ago.
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Re: H.M.S. Sonar....Man Overboard
2013/07/02 16:52:30
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Freddie, I can understand why Cakewalk would be miffed about you posting a Cubase promotion on the Sonar forum, and it's probably best to keep that stuff to the software forum, but I appreciate your points about Cubase and will definitely be checking it out in the future, maybe after I've upgraded my machine (which is the next step). Don't get me wrong I love Sonar in so many ways, and I'll never forget how much easier I found it to get a good sounding mix in Sonar than I was getting with Pro Tools, but I find Sonar lacking a little in comparison with Cubase, Abelton etc with respect to the kind of features which producers of EDM and other forms of electronic music would find useful. Especially when it comes to organizing project arrangements and implementing complex automation etc. I've toyed with the idea of ReWiring Abelton into Sonar as well, or even using Maschine. I just it wasn't so much hassle to road test other products!
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