sharke
I just it wasn't so much hassle to road test other products!

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
not in X2 though but when I was working on some stuff in X3.

Your's faithfully (now sacked for leaking info)
Noel "leaky" Borthwick

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Youre suprised that I'm working on the next version of SONAR?  We start work on the next version immediately after the release of a new version - been that way for about 15 years :)
Sometimes even prior to the release of a new version. Its very common for software companies to work that way. For example Microsoft was working on Windows 9 even before Win8 was released - thats a more extreme case of course due to the scale of microsoft.
Anyway please lets not hijack this thread. Were talking about a specific compatibility issue here.

ULTRABRA
So Sharke, so much going on in this thread not directly related to your original post but ... did I get this right, that all is now working ok for you with GR, or was it just Waves?

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Sharke I'm sorry to hear about your problems. Issues with compatibility are always frustrating.
I wanted to let you know that we have a great relationship with Waves and have been working very closely with them over the past months.

Many issues with plugins are not what they may seem on the surface so be careful about jumping to conclusions that the primary fault lies in the DAW without analysis. A subtle change in behavior in a plugin can cause very drastic results from one DAW to another. A good example is supertap - this is actually a quirk in the plugin implementation that causes a feedback loop of parameter changes. This is why simply rolling the transport when a parameter is armed causes automation to start writing. I managed to address this by putting in  parameter feedback detection logic. The general sluggish UI issue with Waves plugins has also been resolved by reworking some of the core logic dealing with parameter notifications in SONAR.
 
I have not seen a case with complete loss of parameter state with Waves plugins. If you have a project that exhibits this you should definitely bug this up both with Waves and Cakewalk. If you have already done so please list the CWBRN number here. I have however seen the loss of parameter state with Guitar Rig - not in X2 though but when I was working on some stuff in X3. Based on what I saw I'm pretty sure that this is actually a GR bug. If the plugin is started before we load its persistence for some reason when audio streaming starts the plugin will reset itself! I was able to work around this in what I was doing. If you are seeing this in X2 there is probably some special situation where this same condition occurs in the project. If you do have the project file that exhibits this please send it to me and I can take a look at the specific case.
 
Anyway regarding the alleged lack of communication from Cakewalk its not due to some conspiracy to not communicate with users. Keep in mind that we have very few people that are public facing these days. Its a hard decision that many companies have to make to be profitable in these crazy economic times. Brandon Robin and Seth were(are) great guys and their role allowed them to interact more with users here. Its hard for us in other departments to get actively involved here but we try.

Beepster
When I called NI about GR4 Sonar they seemed annoyed. This was shortly before the release of X2 (when you guys switched to Overloud for your included amp sim... which of course I had no way of knowing at the time). He was rather rude actually even though the question was regarding me upgrading to GR5 which would see dollars put directly into their pockets.
 
Kind of like a spurned ex lover. lol
 
Hosts should be aware of plugin formats and compatibility issues obviously but I think the bulk of that responsibility should be on the plug manufacturers... at least for the more commonly used DAWs which I'd say Sonar qualifies as. I mean if your stuff doesn't work in the environments people use well...
 
That said I've never had a problem with GR5. I don't own any Waves stuff though. Hope you get it sorted, sharke.

sharke


Thanks Beepster. I don't doubt that bad feeling exists from a company after a partnership like that is dropped...it must sting a little to have your product dropped from a DAW package although that must go on all the time (nothing is forever). 
 
I wouldn't blame either side as long as they were working together on the issue - after all it's in both of their best interests to sort these things out. 

Beepster

sharke


Thanks Beepster. I don't doubt that bad feeling exists from a company after a partnership like that is dropped...it must sting a little to have your product dropped from a DAW package although that must go on all the time (nothing is forever). 
 
I wouldn't blame either side as long as they were working together on the issue - after all it's in both of their best interests to sort these things out. 

I just thought it was kind of a funny story. After chatting with the Cake guys on the phone before that on an unrelated issue it felt a little weird how the dude at NI was kind of surly. I was trying to get off the phone with Cake support so as not to waste their time and once it seemed like things were wrapped up I thanked him and said my goodbyes. Seemed like he wanted to keep shooting the sh*t. Nice fellow. NI guy just seemed cranky and it didn't really make sense but after X2 came out I thought maybe they weren't too keen on giving the upgrade discount to something I got for free on a marketing partnership that had gone south. I'm probably reading too much into it but I got a laugh out of it. Maybe the guy was just hungover or something.
 
I really like GR and if I ever have the money would buy more NI stuff (some of the Kontact stuff might be cool) but I find TH2 to be a much better guitar sim for my needs. GR5 still gets used for my bass tracks though. If I can ever get the money together for Mark II however that will likely change.
 
As far as compatibility that's one thing I don't understand. I thought if it's in one of the standard formats like VST shouldn't it just work if both companies stick to the proper coding guidelines?