deleted, not worth it

MultiDock is here to stay because it's so integral part of SONAR X1 design.
Sonar Plus can hide MultiDock, so can my applet, too (coming soon).

stickman393


G.E.L. -

You are not alone. Many folks, long-time SONAR users, do not "get" the multidock, and do not see it as an improvement. 

This doesn't make them stupid. About the worst you could say is that  they are unwilling to change or compromise.

In my case, I do not appreciate that the multidock is better than the window management in SONAR 8.x, and there is nothing else in the X1 release that compensates for the negative aspects of multidock, in my opinion.

The SonarPlus utility mentioned above goes quite a long way to reducing the negative aspects of the multidock. I'd say "check it out" but with X1D on the horizon, we have no guarantee that SonarPlus will be updated (it is version-specific).

Very true on all counts...

I prefer to work in one screen at a time (full size) for these windows.... Plugins and the likes I want full open and "live with" them being on top... I don't keep them open long. Making their view smaller and the TV smaller just doesn't work for me... and it's more clicks/strokes to get things the "right" size...

I checked it out fairly well when it was first released and again after X1c... It's still just not for me and if they simply allowed us to hide it as we can the Browser (I un-dock it and it opens as a small window as it did "as" 8.5's Synth Rack)...

Sonar Plus does very well at handling the dock and getting it out of the way... As to whether Plus will work with X1D... I'm pretty sure it will as the only two reasons for it to have issues (at the moment) are 1.) when it checks the version number (which Panu has easily and quickly remedied before) and if commands have been moved to different keys.... Maybe someone with a 700 might find an issue as they seem to have received a number of new keys in X1d...

So I think you're safe to use it now and continue it later... X2? We'll see... Now that Ben's a Baker too! He has announced he will not be developing Plus anymore himself...

8.5 vs. X1c? I'm a staunch 8.5 lover... but there are definitely a number of improvements in X1 and once over the learning curve issue, It's back to the same old Sonar for the most part... There are quite a number of enhancements that are an improvement and a few that are 3 steps forward and 2 steps back... and they are getting improved, so in time you'll likely end up wanting to learn the new gui anyway.... so getting it now is an early start...

As to being too busy to learn the new? Then the OP definitely has the right to simply continue using 8.5 as I often do. then there's nothing new to learn and you can proceed with your busy day...

Regarding why did you upgrade? Many of us (including myself) do so regularly for an assortment of reasons... If your reason is/was good enuf? Then you're still getting value for your investment.... If not, a poor investment was made and more research should have been put in before deciding to buy... Too busy to find out before buying? Too much of a hurry? I could give many remarks...

I myself complain when my time is abused as the envelope editing and other things are for me now... But I still believe I made a worthy investment as I continue to find small, but important and useful new abilities as I always have with a new version...

I will continue to use X1 more as it gets better and still rely on 8.5.3 when I really need the speed...

But honestly? After a while it gets very PITA confusing to remember which version I'm in and which command to use, and where is it? ;-) So I progressively move to X1 and continue to remark to the Bakers about my needs and desires... Sooner or later they all seem to arrive .... and then some!

Keni

Many suggestions for Sonar Plus, many thanks. I'll wait out X1D and see if anything from S-Plus has been integrated. If not, I'll try it if it gets upgraded.

Just to explain where I'm coming from:

I use a netbook when tracking at client's studios because the fan never starts up. Essential for quiet instruments or delecate voices. And it's convenient to carry and cheap to replace in case of accidents. 

Now, if you have a 10" screen, that multidock bar causes significant pain, especially if it is just boldly saying "Multidock".

G.E.L.


Does anyone have any idea of how I can disable the multidocking function completely when i don't want it?... I spend too much editing time closing or undocking things as I move them around my desktop ... it's really becoming very annoying ... further to that, when i double clik on tracks to edit, the multidock pops  open with the loop function pre loaded ... when I want things I'll SELECT THEM! until i do, i don't want things automatically happening ... GRRRRRRRR !

Use version 8.5.2

I got a second monitor for my DAW recently, and for what it's worth, I just gave X1 another whirl, and if you undock the multidock and drag it to the second monitor, a lot of my discomfort goes away.

Different strokes for different folks, but in my opinion, the multidock only makes sense in a multi-monitor situation. 

I wonder if that's why they named it "multi (monitor) dock".

Now, if only they could fix the smart tool;  and give us back the SONAR 8.5 style piano roll edit mode; and distinguish pan/vol/gain by colour; and give us an "all" mode for the edit filter...

stickman393


I got a second monitor for my DAW recently, and for what it's worth, I just gave X1 another whirl, and if you undock the multidock and drag it to the second monitor, a lot of my discomfort goes away.

Different strokes for different folks, but in my opinion, the multidock only makes sense in a multi-monitor situation. 

I wonder if that's why they named it "multi (monitor) dock".

Now, if only they could fix the smart tool;  and give us back the SONAR 8.5 style piano roll edit mode; and distinguish pan/vol/gain by colour; and give us an "all" mode for the edit filter...

That just goes to show how different we all are. I have used multiple monitors since I can remember and since X1 I'm giving some serious consideration to getting rid of them and replacing them with one big one.

There is still the dual visual check advantage of duals, i.e. I can see say the CV and TV at the same time but for actual work I find a single monitor set up just as quick now. Mainly because of the multidock. Go figure....

Keni

I prefer to work in one screen at a time (full size) for these windows.... Plugins and the likes I want full open and "live with" them being on top... I don't keep them open long. Making their view smaller and the TV smaller just doesn't work for me... and it's more clicks/strokes to get things the "right" size...

Keni

Keni, in my never ending quest to convert you to the virtues of the multidock ......

Did you know that it can hold multiple windows all maxed out and switchable either by tab clicking or ctrl+shift+arrow keys? Then maximised or tucked into the bottom left corner minimized (a la plugin windows in previous versions) by pressing D (or clicking).

Can I tempt you with that one?

Somehow this thread popped up on a search.   Fwiw, I hate multidock with a passion too, though I've learned to mostly avoid wasting time with it by keeping many many many windows 'undocked' and 'floating'.    Of course if I forget and type in a number to a field without having told Sonar that's what I'm doing, the screensets go wild and it takes 5-10 minutes to get back on track with making music. 

With 2 monitors the multi dock is great. I put the CV in the multi Dock and put it on the left screen and a load of plugins behind and use D to toggle between the CV and plugs. No problem on the track view this way.

Yeah, I've come to an agreement with the multidock but it took adding a third really big monitor.  Now the CV floats across two 22" monitors and unless I'm working in the PRV, I always have the TV and the CV open.  
 
I even have screensets configured to move the CV over 8 tracks at a time to keep in alignment with my MCU and extenders.

I've just recently come to terms with it and like it.  I put the entire MD (with CV) on my right monitor with enough margin remaining top and right for me to click VST windows to give them focus.  When I open PRV or another, they open in a new tab in the MD
 
TV stays on the left undisturbed.

I regularly use at least 5 different screensets.

Actually, musicroom, me too.  I didn't notice the original date when first commenting ... I think it came up from using a google search rather than the forum search option, which never works. 

No problem William, I know how easy that can happen. I've done it myself.
 
@steveC - I just posted one. So feel free to give it some stars.  :)