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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 19:03:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mudgel 2015/01/06 05:12:12
Sound on Sound has a feature called Mix Rescue, where the SOS editors go to someone's house, fix their mix, then write about what the problems were and how they were solved. There's a story Paul White tells that apparently has happened more than once.
 
When Paul walks in, his host usually offers to go get tea or whatever. The first thing Paul does is bypass all the plug-ins so he can hear what's happening with the source tracks. Once he did that when his host was in the kitchen. When the host came back from the kitchen and heard the song, the first thing he said was "Wow, that sounds fantastic!! What did you do?!?"

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 19:20:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/07/24 14:36:31
Yup...I've had my share of that as well. Stuff so over produced you can barely tell the singin from the playin. And don't get me started on eleventy jillion track counts. That ol computer has caused as many or more problems as it's solved.
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 21:35:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2014/12/19 08:20:28
Starise
Thanks for the pointers. I need enough data to make an educated choice but too much data might just push me into medication territory :) But the question is....can a person own too many EQ's???



I don't think there's a reason to own more than one general-purpose "clean" EQ of the type epitomized by Pro-Q.  It's good to have a go-to for fixing problems, general filtering, and precision surgical work. 
 
OTOH, it's not a bad idea to have a selection of "character" EQs that are well-suited for shaping the sound of various tracks you work on.  Some plugins sound especially good on guitars, some are great on drums, some on buses and full mixes, etc.  These are usually modeled on vintage gear like Pultec, Neve, SSL, API, and the like.  I think the newer T-Racks EQs are great examples of these, and with the current group buy (is it still on?), they're a great value.  Other vendors like UAD, Slate, Softube, and Waves make good ones, too.  Happy demoing!
 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 21:36:53 (permalink)
Word.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 22:19:25 (permalink)
Years ago (late 90's) a friend used to make downbeat breakbeat tunes, he was pretty good at finding little loops from his record collection. He had the same spirit folio mixer as me. He played me a mix, and I looked at his gain structure and asked If I could have a go at setting up the mix. He left me to it, when he came back he exclaimed 'what did you do' and I couldn't tell if he meant in a good way or not. I asked him how he meant 'where did the noise go?' he asked. He didn't appreciate the effect of setting his gains accumilating ofer 12 tracks so much. He was chuffed to bits to find out his equipment was much better than he'd realised.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/19 08:30:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/07/24 14:37:05
 
 
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Thanks for the pointers. I need enough data to make an educated choice but too much data might just push me into medication territory :) But the question is....can a person own too many EQ's???



I don't think there's a reason to own more than one general-purpose "clean" EQ of the type epitomized by Pro-Q.  It's good to have a go-to for fixing problems, general filtering, and precision surgical work. 
 
OTOH, it's not a bad idea to have a selection of "character" EQs that are well-suited for shaping the sound of various tracks you work on.  Some plugins sound especially good on guitars, some are great on drums, some on buses and full mixes, etc.  These are usually modeled on vintage gear like Pultec, Neve, SSL, API, and the like.  I think the newer T-Racks EQs are great examples of these, and with the current group buy (is it still on?), they're a great value.  Other vendors like UAD, Slate, Softube, and Waves make good ones, too.  Happy demoing!
 
Cheers,
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/19 09:54:08 (permalink)
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I think the emotional impact of any given track is 85% the person playing it, 10% the sound of the instrument itself, and 5% the processing. That's not at all to diminish the importance of that 5%, but I'm just trying to put things in perspective. 



Well said, Craig. The ratios may shift around (I know I've had more than a few barely-salvageable tracks where the processing component was the 85%) but as a general rule, the performance usually trumps everything. But until Celine Dion answers my emails, most of the vocal tracks I deal with will continue to require all the spit 'n polish I can throw at them.
 
I'd also point out that whenever a "sow's ear" has required a makeover, it's never been the choice of equalizer that made the difference. No, that's all about which compressor you use! 
 
(No, ol' pal, I am not a hypocrite...note the winky face)


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/19 10:01:06 (permalink)
fwiw, i think the emotional impact has more weight in more "traditional" (fwoabw) style songs, but in modern pop (diplo, avicii, etc) the processing is more important/has more weight

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/19 10:01:45 (permalink)
and oh yeah, i use dmg equality for precision eq

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/19 10:44:11 (permalink)
FWIW,
i'm very fond of Waves Linear Phase EQ


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/20 00:14:20 (permalink)
Actually Bit, ol pal, I was thinking about my fellow Irish drinking buddy...Mel O'Dyne.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/20 10:33:57 (permalink)
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Actually Bit, ol pal, I was thinking about my fellow Irish drinking buddy...Mel O'Dyne.

 Mel has been banished for the past year, and to my surprise I'm finding I don't really need him nearly as much as I once thought I did.


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/20 16:35:49 (permalink)
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FWIW,
i'm very fond of Waves Linear Phase EQ





How's the CPU load? Waves are usually quite efficient here, but I've never dabbled with Lin EQ.
 

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/21 03:41:21 (permalink)
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Sound on Sound has a feature called Mix Rescue, where the SOS editors go to someone's house, fix their mix, then write about what the problems were and how they were solved. There's a story Paul White tells that apparently has happened more than once.
 
When Paul walks in, his host usually offers to go get tea or whatever. The first thing Paul does is bypass all the plug-ins so he can hear what's happening with the source tracks. Once he did that when his host was in the kitchen. When the host came back from the kitchen and heard the song, the first thing he said was "Wow, that sounds fantastic!! What did you do?!?"


Yep, heard that a bunch of times and it's probably spot on about 80% of the time. The object lesson is, compare what you've done to what's already there, if it's not better, do something else. Make sure you take a break beforehand. :)
 

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/22 00:35:44 (permalink)
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As I get older, the only EQ feature that matters to me is a resizable UI. Pro-Q2's full-screen mode goes to 11 visually.



As I get older, I've noticed that most EQs sound better when I remember to trim the hair growing out of my ears.


Hahaha!



 
 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/23 11:56:39 (permalink)
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Sound on Sound has a feature called Mix Rescue, where the SOS editors go to someone's house, fix their mix, then write about what the problems were and how they were solved. There's a story Paul White tells that apparently has happened more than once.
 
When Paul walks in, his host usually offers to go get tea or whatever. The first thing Paul does is bypass all the plug-ins so he can hear what's happening with the source tracks. Once he did that when his host was in the kitchen. When the host came back from the kitchen and heard the song, the first thing he said was "Wow, that sounds fantastic!! What did you do?!?"


Yep, heard that a bunch of times and it's probably spot on about 80% of the time. The object lesson is, compare what you've done to what's already there, if it's not better, do something else. Make sure you take a break beforehand. :)
 


I hate to admit the truth behind this comment. It hurts to think that the last two hours of mixing sounded worse than plug-ins disabled on a few things Ive done. It's a learning experience for sure. Thankfully this hasn't happened often. Sometimes I reach for the disable button just to see if I'm making any real progress. ...and yes...trimming those hairs out of the ears really helps....usually when it happens to me I'm trying to polish a turd and I guess I just haven't found the right wax yet.



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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/23 19:22:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/07/24 14:37:59
Why "Turdle Wax" acourse!

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/25 15:51:31 (permalink)
I realize this properly should go in Deals.  However, it's totally relevant to this thread.  The Nomad Factory Pulse-Tec EQ I was gushing about earlier is on sale for 10 bucks.  Deal of the year, IMO.  Find it here:
 
http://store.dontcrack.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=39&page=1&sort=5a
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/28 21:43:51 (permalink)
Thanks David. Gonna snag that now while I still can.
 
That's quite a deal - $120 off.



 
 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/30 12:24:52 (permalink)
Makes sense Olpal:)
Thanks David, you're responsible for me loosing another 10 bucks :) Looks interesting!!
 
I was looking at Fabfilter Pro Q2 when I started and I must say after downloading the demo I like it. It does what it does very well. But price......this isn't for the kid who just got his first two channel interface to plug his Squier into. It is a bit steep for me......I guess you can command that price if your one of the best. I can get it for 149.00 at Sweetwater...at least for the next day or so. Regularly 199.00
If youre already on the boat with Q1 or have discounts from a prior purchase I envy you...as upgrades are easier :)  I think it's somewhat the concept really when we get EQ's free with every music software and free ones are available all over the web.You can get wonderful examples of Equalizers for not a lot of money elsewhere.
 
Look at Melda Mautodynamic EQ...if you didn't read Daves article over at Soundbytes you should if you aren't familiar with that EQ or the sibling.....it's a swiss army knife of EQ delight and it's 40% off right now making the final cash outlay around 80 american dollars......I think you get a lot for that money. Less than half of Fabfilter.
 
Some might argue that they are two different animals and you would be correct because of the dynamics capability, curve selection, number of filters and graphic tie die representations of audio.Actually GUI aside it looks like a lot more capability in MAUTODYNAMICEQ overall since it centers on more than just simple EQ. Maybe fewer filters but how many do you need/want?
 
I like em' both!
 
 
 

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/30 13:02:41 (permalink)
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Look at Melda Mautodynamic EQ...if you didn't read Daves article over at Soundbytes you should if you aren't familiar with that EQ or the sibling.....it's a swiss army knife of EQ delight 


Link?
 
I cannae find it.
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/30 14:51:22 (permalink)

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/30 14:54:48 (permalink)
I just bought MAutoDynamicEQ. The sale was supposed to be until Dec 28th, but I got the sale price.
 
 

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/30 15:14:51 (permalink)
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I just bought MAutoDynamicEQ. The sale was supposed to be until Dec 28th, but I got the sale price.
 
 


Got it too.
 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/30 19:24:28 (permalink)
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I just bought MAutoDynamicEQ. The sale was supposed to be until Dec 28th, but I got the sale price.
 
 


Hello,
 
I bought the MAutoDynamicEQ when Izotope did not include their dynamic EQ with the standard version of O6 .  ( Big thanks to Bitflipper).  It is a very versatile piece of software . It offers quite a bit as far as capability and potential functionality is concerned. . I was actually torn between the Pro MB and this  (Pro MB is Purdy) and decided that the Melda offered at least equal capability at a more competitive price point. You wont be let down by the purchase. It is fairly simple to start using it but can also go very deep for the technocrat or when you are ready!!

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/31 20:14:07 (permalink)
I'm glad you shagged it Bapu....err... I mean I'm glad you snagged it!

I have just graded the surface of it so far. In hindsight I don't regret this purchase. I think I'm going to be just like LunaTech . I might get Pro Q but then again I probably don't need to.

That EQ David mentioned. I wasn't expecting much for 9.99. It's actually a nice Pultec copy. I wish I had seen this one earlier. I peeped in my Nomad Factory folder and counted five EQ's I've didn't know I had. If you have X3 Producer you should have all of those too in your Nomad Factory folder.

There is a learning curve with the Melda EQ's but I think it's going to be well worth the effort.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2017/07/18 15:36:22 (permalink)
When I bought Algorithmix Red, probably the most expensive EQ on the market several years ago, and one boasted about by Bob Katz (Mastering Engineer) as being the best EQ plug-in on the market next to his Weiss digital EQ units, I felt I invested in an EQ I though nobody could really ever beat. It was ugly in appearance, but for a Linear Phase EQ, it was the best one I'd used so far.

Now, if you buy Bob Katz latest Mastering book and look at the cover you'll be face-to-face with Equilibrium. Bob says good things about it inside the book, and the EQ costs about 10% of the Algo Red. Does this now make it a better sounding EQ than Algorithmix Red? Not really, but it is far more flexible and is offered as a 64-Bit plug-in. The Algorithmix Red has all but been abandoned as a historical 32-bit EQ. But which sounds better? Hopefully neither, but the tool-set certainly wins hearts for Equillibrium. I bought Equillibrium because of the cool factor and it was on sale as a newly introduced plugin. However, I could easily get great results from EQuality, another DMG product.

I've also got a copy of AirEQ that's been mentioned here, as well as Waves LinEQ, and a few others. Which one do I choose? It depends. If I'm Mastering, I like the facilities and experience of EQuillibrium. For mixing, well, that's an entirely different animal. I just try different ones. Many times, I start with Waves API 550. If I can't quickly get a result I want, I may try an SSL G EQ or the SSL E-Channel. If it's a bass-prone instrument, I usually pull in a Pultec. For guitars, I may use a Helios. If I use a DMG EQ, many times it's just to notch something out, or to adjust the source material in a way that I don't introduce character onto it. I typically use those types of EQ's to balance a signal out and then follow that up with a 'character' or 'emulation' EQ. 

I was reading an old interview from Craig Leon, a classically trained composer who ironically produced the Ramones. In his workflow he tries very hard not to use EQ unless there's just no way. More and more I like to think that way when tracking, but in his opinion, when you try things, don't be afraid to do something wrong. It could be you end up with a result others are asking you to divulge. "I wanted to be the next George [Martin]. Be the next you, not the next somebody else."

All in all, my advice is to try everything you have! Don't worry about what you don't have and don't worry about which one is the best thing for a specific instrument or vocal. YOU be the judge and use what gives you the result you seek from your own emotions. What works for one may certainly not work for another. It's fun to see what plugins you barely ever touch can do, and perhaps how simple they can be! You may even be surprised that you DO in fact hear a difference between two or three different plugins!!

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2017/07/18 15:49:19 (permalink)


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2017/07/18 17:44:15 (permalink)
But the classics never really die, do they? Just when you think everybody's happy with "all EQs sound the same, so use the one you're most comfortable with", somebody's bound to challenge it.
 
Maybe it's time to resurrect some of the other Golden Oldies. Nuendo sounds 20-40% better than SONAR, anyone?


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2017/07/18 17:47:13 (permalink)
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haha. I love threads like this, sometimes. GS is full of them, to a default, and they can grow tiresome with bad tempers and strong allegiances to a brand name, regardless of true value or credible opinions. Even so, I do like to hear what people who use them frequently think when they own more than one brand. I also love reading about people's use of specific EQs for certain purposes and rule that they work best where they were used, along with some insight as to why. It makes me want to run home and give that one a whirl---and see if I agree. I could almost (but not quite) be regarded as a plug-in junkie, although the ones I use are typically bought (usually never free).

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