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2014/12/17 11:42:40 (permalink)

Hands Down Best EQ

I'm looking at different EQ's and attempting to see if there are major differences between them. Since I've never had a better EQ than the  ones in T-racks, Scheps 73 which is really a channel strip but it has an EQ and the Pultec copies Waves makes. I still make use of the EQ in Sonar quite a bit mainly because it's handy in the PC and it is a decent EQ. I have many of the other ones but they are all similar....in looking at what is out there Fabfilter Pro-Q comes up a lot...and now they have the Fabfilter Pro-Q2. 
 
I'm not really super hip to the innards of these things although I'm learning as I go. Sometimes we don't know what we're missing until we know what we're missing....and I get the distinct feeling the grass really could be greener in this case. Frequency separation in a mix seems to make all the difference and the less well designed EQ's seem to exhibit interference between filters...apparently there are good ones and better ones...or at least a better way to design filters in software EQ's. Maybe I'd be better off just downloading a few demos and giving them a shot. 
 
Are there really: Big differences between EQ's ? If so, What makes one EQ better than another EQ ? 

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 12:47:27 (permalink)
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Are there really: Big differences between EQ's ? If so, What makes one EQ better than another EQ ? 




GUI?
 
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It's the presets
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 12:49:35 (permalink)
Seriously though, i imagine to the purists (of which I cannot claim that title) it may be about
 
1. Faithful to the emulation
2. extended features (ala Melda's MAutoDynamicEQ)
3. transparebcy
 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 12:53:53 (permalink)
From a DSP perspective unless they add analog modeled saturation/distortion, an EQ should change the frequency and phase response and nothing else. It is possible for there to be noise/distortion due to calculating precision, but I don't think this is a real issue today unless very deliberate tradeoffs were made. And there also can be sonic issues when adjusting the parameters, but once the EQ curve is set and static it just does its thing.
 
So all the rhetoric about any given EQ is either because it has nice EQ curves (the curves that any given EQ can create can vary a lot) and/or a nice interface with intuitive operation so that one gets nice results quickly and easily, and/or other saturation effects are added to it, or is based on the idea that if you give someone more money they can add 2 + 2 better than someone else.
 
IOW for the EQ part of any digital EQ, objective quality is pretty much a given in today's world. But that doesn't mean a given EQ can't produce subjectively pleasing results much more easily.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 12:55:11 (permalink)
Because I'm not as adept as most (using one EQ for all purposes) I find that some EQ's are more responsive to specific instruments. At least that's my take on it.
 
Some examples are:
UAD Helios for bass
UAD Harrison for snare
Pulteq for guitars
 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 12:56:48 (permalink)
Either that or an older boy made me do it.
(buy a considerable number of EQs)
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 13:06:41 (permalink)
without emulations of classic hardware, its all about ease of use (including preset curves).  For whatever reason, I love the EQ in Izotope Alloy.  Easy as hell to use, big GUI, sounds like a digital EQ should: invisible.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 14:17:40 (permalink)
The best EQ for you will depend on your personal preference with regard to GUI and how well it gets you the sound you're going for.  So extensive demoing is a must.  For me, an intuitive GUI, low CPU hit, and stability are big factors.  I love Pro-Q2, but some don't get along with it for whatever reason. 
 
Here are a few general-purpose EQ plugins worth demoing, in addition to those already mentioned:
 
Acon Digital Equalize
Eiosis AirEQ (requires iLok)
AOM Tranquilizr
OverToneDSP AF2-10 (super cheap!)
 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 15:58:07 (permalink)
Slate VMR Brit-N

or DMG Equilibrium

or SIR Standard EQ

or Slate VMR 4k


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 16:03:14 (permalink)
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Slate VMR Brit-N

or DMG Equilibrium

or SIR Standard EQ

or Slate VMR 4k

Do they all go to 11?
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 16:14:01 (permalink)
+1 to the Izotope Alloy2 EQ

I thought the Pro Channel EQ was good and didn't really understand how different EQs could sound different but there is a definite "transparency" to the Alloy2 EQ - especially with more extreme HP or LP filtering
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 17:18:25 (permalink)
11 is over rated, 11 can only really be appreciated by a guitarist who owns both a '58 and a '59 flame top.


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 17:29:42 (permalink)
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11 is over rated, 11 can only really be appreciated by a guitarist who owns both a '58 and a '59 flame top.

That's 12 though.
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 17:37:56 (permalink)
12 is for guys who wear black Tolex jackets in the summertime,


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 18:34:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/07/24 14:33:42
As I get older, the only EQ feature that matters to me is a resizable UI. Pro-Q2's full-screen mode goes to 11 visually.


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 18:41:25 (permalink)
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As I get older, the only EQ feature that matters to me is a resizable UI. Pro-Q2's full-screen mode goes to 11 visually.




That's my favorite thing about Q2- the fullscreen. Put it on after the protection limiter on a dedicated monitor and it's just tremendous. Can't believe other EQ companies don't do it. I asked Alexey at Voxengo a few years back to look into it for Gliss and he was just not interested.
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 18:44:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/07/24 14:34:15
There are basically two types of EQs...clean, multiband, phase linear surgical ones that do not add coloration...
And all of the others which aren't and do. And the problem with all those which aren't and do is there are seemingly jillions...many radically different. I'd suggest having at least one Swiss Army knife EQ like FF ProQ2 and as many as you can afford of whatever ones you've demo'd and fallen in love with.

Oh yea, I almost forgot, you'll need to have at least one Neve 1073 emulation (your Scheps from WAVES has you covered) or all the so-called "pro" engineers and mixer types will think you're a dimwit.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 20:10:28 (permalink)
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What makes one EQ better than another EQ ? 



This has been pretty well answered, so I won't offer still another answer.  But I will offer the observation that for clean/transparent EQs, the obvious betterifier is a clean, efficient UI that makes getting the result you want dead simple, even if you're a rank amateur like me.  For me, like a lot of others, the latest Fab Filter EQ gets the nod, hands down.
 
Then there's the "character" EQs.  The betterifier there is the quality of the vintage fairy dust it sprinkles on your mix.  For me right now, that one would be the Nomad Factory Pulstec.  It has a preset in the "Mastering" category called "Presence".  I haven't quite figured out just exactly how it works its magic, but more often than not, if I put that on a synth track just as is, then the track simply sounds better.
 
I'm about to acquire a few more "character" EQs in the IK group buy.  Maybe I'll have some even better fairy dust when I get that sorted out.  I'd love to hear opinions from the experts here on: "IK EQs - which has the best fairy dust". 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 20:24:42 (permalink)
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As I get older, the only EQ feature that matters to me is a resizable UI. Pro-Q2's full-screen mode goes to 11 visually.




Same here. Often, this actually prevents me from bothering trying using another EQ.
Hopefully, it's a trend that will catch on quickly.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 20:26:09 (permalink)
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+1 to the Izotope Alloy2 EQ

I thought the Pro Channel EQ was good and didn't really understand how different EQs could sound different but there is a definite "transparency" to the Alloy2 EQ - especially with more extreme HP or LP filtering


Another +1 for Alloy 2 from me. But I use ProQ2 and others as well.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 20:31:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/12/17 20:59:36
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...I'd suggest having ... as many as you can afford of whatever ones you've demo'd and fallen in love with.

... you'll need to have at least one Neve 1073 emulation (your Scheps from WAVES has you covered) or all the so-called "pro" engineers and mixer types will think you're a dimwit.



You're evil.
 
You know, some gullible kid out there is writing all this sage advice down and is gonna hock his Mom's Rolex so he can have every EQ yorolpal has.
 
OK, he's probably not a kid. A kid would just find everything on a warez site. But somebody, even some 60-something guy, might take you at face value and end up buying some, ah, Waves plugins or something.


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 21:31:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2017/07/18 19:31:28
I'm a 60 something and the ProChannel EQ should be just fine.  Change your guitar strings instead.  Send me the $$ so I can buy some Waves plugins or sumpin.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 22:12:29 (permalink)
Pro-Q2 Hands Down! Especially for fine tuning. Followed by the Waves SSL channel EQ for broad strokes.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 22:31:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/07/24 14:35:27
I dunno. I think the differences are more quantitative than qualitative, but I make an exception for EQs that model particular EQs if they get it right. For example, I really liked using the original Pultecs in the studio, because they had very gentle curves. I was glad when modeled versions came out that emulated that kind of response (and didn't have the hum!!). Granted, I could probably get the same curve with other EQs that have nothing to do with the Pultec, but if the interface is done right my muscle memory knows where to go to get the sounds I want.
 
Analog EQs can have extremely complex responses that are a jambalaya of phase shift, ripple, ringing if inductors are involved, interaction among filter skirts, Miller effect with tube gear, etc. etc. At that point the EQ becomes more like a processor and most definitely, some processors "like" some sounds better than others. And i suppose that there would be some merit to cataloguing these preferences for future use...or maybe not. Maybe it's better to try a happy accident of using the EQ that sounded good on bass with snare. Who knows.
 
If my voice needs a +6 dB shelf starting at 2 kHz, then pretty much any EQ is going to give the quality I want to my voice. Spending time trying out different shelves might yield useful results, but spending that time backing up my data will likely yield more useful results in the long run.
 
I think the emotional impact of any given track is 85% the person playing it, 10% the sound of the instrument itself, and 5% the processing. That's not at all to diminish the importance of that 5%, but I'm just trying to put things in perspective. 

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/17 23:27:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SF_Green 2017/07/18 23:58:30
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As I get older, the only EQ feature that matters to me is a resizable UI. Pro-Q2's full-screen mode goes to 11 visually.



As I get older, I've noticed that most EQs sound better when I remember to trim the hair growing out of my ears.

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 01:25:45 (permalink)
I seldom seem to use anything other than the pro-channel EQ these days. Easy, nice interface and does what it says on the tin.
 
I wonder if I would get better results with some of the others, but in most cases I don't feel I am missing much.
 
 

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 02:46:16 (permalink)
I like the boys @ Fab...
 
http://www.fabfilter.com/products/pro-q-2-equalizer-plug-in
 
Izotope is pretty cool w/their dynamic EQ, I'm sure Fab will put out a similar feature soon. 
 
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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 05:19:36 (permalink)
OK, this is me being serious for a minute.... :-)
 
The hands down best EQ I ever hear is when the EQ is being used on source material that is really nice in it's basic character. The good source material, "takes" EQ-ing better than not so good material and it seems to make any EQ sound it's best.


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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 15:27:22 (permalink)
I need to read this thread a few more times...chew the cud a bit more. There's some great minds here and I don't want to waste any of this...I'll be back when I've fully digested it .
 
Thanks for the pointers. I need enough data to make an educated choice but too much data might just push me into medication territory :) But the question is....can a person own too many EQ's???

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Re: Hands Down Best EQ 2014/12/18 18:31:30 (permalink)
I dunno Craig, ol pal. I've been doing this for as long as you have and know that ol processin let me make many a silk purse out of many a sows ear.


And #Bit...I did say as many as "you can afford". So, really, I'm only partly evil.

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