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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 11:41:56 (permalink)
Danny, Jon and Mike....
Thank you very much for your thoughts.

I'm all ears with total respect for your thoughts and appreciation for your time/efforts.

Clearing the slate and trying the 32 bit X2 sounds like a good first shot.
No Danny I didn't do anything but load X2a 64 bit. Since I've been doing nothing
but trying to get the audio settings to eliminate all the pops etc... with no good results.

I really have only fiddled around with X2a until a week ago when I decided to
work Warrens request. It's been the only major endeavor that really let me know
how bad things are.

If 32 bit doesn't work then I'll go back to 8.5 ...I know it works.

Then I'll be weighing options.

Jon I haven't had reasons to look at other options until now. Even now there is the
money part. I sure hate to just dump my investment and start over but I will if need be.
After all it is about pleasure and performance and both are currently gone.





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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 11:48:31 (permalink)
No, I've been able to work with a "fair" amount of stability with all the "Xs".  That said this latest (X2a) seems pretty buggy on my system.  But not so much that it precludes using it for music projects.  Also, I could very easily start using X2 at my commercial broadcast facility as what we do day in and day out doesn't tax the DAW at all so I'd not expect to much in the way of hangs and crashes.  That said, 8.5 is dead solid stable and will do more than I need at work so I don't see a real need to change.  Probably will sooner or later. 

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 11:49:51 (permalink)
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Bub

So, you guys who stuck to 8.5.3 (McQ, Timidi, Ol'Pal) ... are you saying that the X's are unstable?
The boxed version of X1 that Cakewalk sent me would have killed my computer with the ASIO driver bug IF I had installed it. I would have needed a disk image back up just to get past bios. Luckily for me... that happened to enough other innocent bystanders that I had warning and didn't give Cakewalk the chance to kill my computer too.

One of the X1_ versions did work on my computer... it seemed stable enough for me to make a few videos showing all the bugs that I purchased with X1.

Then I realized that every time I opened X1 I was looking at the symptoms of Cakewalk being abandoned by it's original developers... so I uninstalled it and I stopped focusing on the idea that Cakewalk was encouraging me to take my money else where. Let's not mince words... Cakewalk representatives actually suggested I try other DAWs as a work around to problems I observed with SONAR. 

Then Greg Hendershott bailed on us confirming my opinion that the past 5 years of "upgrades" have been nothing but empty promises meant to keep our cash flowing.

The bugs I work around in 8.5.3 were in 2.0.... they were never going to get fixed. I know that now.

What's next?

best regards,
mike
But, according to many others, you are completely wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the X series.

So what is so different from your system, and mine, than theirs?

Are they lying?

What is their motivation?

I'm really trying to understand all this.

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 11:52:55 (permalink)
Michael, if it will be of any help to you....I have no problems sending you a pm with my number where we can try a few things if you want. I actually have pretty good results making Sonar work. I can't stop crashes and stuff, but just about always I can cure pops and crackles etc as well as using less resources. I sincerely feel the issue is somewhere in 64 though.

I can use 64, but I wouldn't trust doing a single thing without a ctrl+s right after. Either bit bridge dogs me, or some weird faded white screen pops up and crashes me without a chance to save a back up. I gave up on 64 quite a while ago. The only time I use it is....hmm....hardly ever. As a matter of fact...check this out...

My band practices here in my studio. I have a 30 track template I use in Sonar 32 running BFD 2, Superior, Sample Tank, 3 instances of Drumagog, various compressors and effects etc. I run this at 64 samples ASIO. When I run the same template in Sonar 64, I can't even use it because of latency. All the plugs in the 64 bit project are 64 bit except for the Drumagog plugs. Not sure what the deal is, but 64 just doesn't like me and I have a VERY bad @ss Roseberry machine. I built 2 more boxes based on Jim's build that run just as good....they too seem to struggle with 64. It very well could be my interfaces. But I seem to get the same results with my Echo stuff or my RME stuff. So 32 bit for me from here on out. It just seems to work without an issue no matter what I do.

Anyway, if you need me for anything...send me a pm or an email and we can set up a call time if you want. I have no problems trying to help you remedy some of this stuff. But I'd honestly try 32 bit first. Especially if you have a strong processor and Windows 7. I don't even want to think about Windows 8 and was surprised so many made the jump so soon. Then again, I run a business here and can't afford to be down or sitting around waiting for driver updates and doing work-arounds. Let me know if I can help in any way. :)

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 11:57:27 (permalink)
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because it's bottled up inside and makes me sick. 
  
 
The reason I'm posting...
 
Frank made a comment about the lead guitar. I was surprised he was the only one.
 
The part was recorded only for Warren. It was a "dummy" track. I had planned on laying
down the part(s) ( I planned on doing the lead parts last )
The problem was that it would shut down...it would do crazy things to parts..I mean there
were so many issues that I just couldn't believe anything could be that bad.
 
I gave up. I didn't want to lose everything and since it was crashing not only itself but my computer
I mixed the dummy track in and called it quits.
 
I thought this evening that I would go ahead and try. I recorded the two tracks for the first two
short lead fills and set up a buss for them....
It went nuts when I dragged the buss to where I wanted it. Nothing for me to do but close it and
not save the changes.
Well it had already crashed with SONARPDP.EXE before all this so I gave up again.
 
And all the snap crackle and pops....now matter what settings...it's just the longest list of issues
I've ever experienced since the day I started with a Pentium 100.
 
I give up. You win Cake.. 

If X makes you sick... don't use it... and don't use X as an excuse not to record great music...
I wasted my time, money, and drive-space on X1 & X2, but I sucked it up and got over it...
I still have 8.5, and it works ok for me...
Michael, I've collaborated with you on a couple of projects, and I know you know I'm not going to BS you...
You are way to talented to let X shut you down... forget about the money, time & tears, and get back to work...

 
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 12:01:12 (permalink)
Bub


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Bub

So, you guys who stuck to 8.5.3 (McQ, Timidi, Ol'Pal) ... are you saying that the X's are unstable?
The boxed version of X1 that Cakewalk sent me would have killed my computer with the ASIO driver bug IF I had installed it. I would have needed a disk image back up just to get past bios. Luckily for me... that happened to enough other innocent bystanders that I had warning and didn't give Cakewalk the chance to kill my computer too.

One of the X1_ versions did work on my computer... it seemed stable enough for me to make a few videos showing all the bugs that I purchased with X1.

Then I realized that every time I opened X1 I was looking at the symptoms of Cakewalk being abandoned by it's original developers... so I uninstalled it and I stopped focusing on the idea that Cakewalk was encouraging me to take my money else where. Let's not mince words... Cakewalk representatives actually suggested I try other DAWs as a work around to problems I observed with SONAR. 

Then Greg Hendershott bailed on us confirming my opinion that the past 5 years of "upgrades" have been nothing but empty promises meant to keep our cash flowing.

The bugs I work around in 8.5.3 were in 2.0.... they were never going to get fixed. I know that now.

What's next?

best regards,
mike
But, according to many others, you are completely wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the X series.

So what is so different from your system, and mine, than theirs?

Are they lying?

What is their motivation?

I'm really trying to understand all this.




Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't appreciate the repeated personal insults and I don't think I'll ever understand how that works.

I don't think everything can be understood and there's lots of stuff on my list that I want to understand that seems fun to learn.

What more can be said?


all the best,
mike


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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 12:03:44 (permalink)

There is nothing wrong with using old software for years if you are creating quality music. 


That's all I am saying and Mike had a good thought that I agree with.  
I completely agree.
 
I started in digital recording it would not only inspire me to play guitar again but
also give me the ability to work alone. It has done both.
 
"Quality" is a state that I seek from whatever tools I use. "Quality" as well as other
desires and goals can be achieved with older versions of Sonar.
 
That is not the only reason for me upgrading or attempting to keep up with the
"new". It is also a desire I have to see what is new. To evaluate it and make determinations...to move forward
with the new media, possibilites and funtions.
The problem as I see it is that in this release the move forward was indeed a major gas. It's the first major gas
that I have experienced.
 
I can say that even though the experience with X2a presented the realization of complete failure ( in my case) I also got to experience
many things about it that I think are fantastic. Should it had performed as intended I would be feeling
great about all the new features and looking forward to moving forward. I was looking forward to
upgrading many areas. All that was destroyed only to face looking backwards now.
So although I completely agree with you Mooch and Mike....there is more to it for me.
 
 
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 12:46:19 (permalink)
But, according to many others, you are completely wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the X series. So what is so different from your system, and mine, than theirs? Are they lying? What is their motivation? I'm really trying to understand all this.

 
Bub, those of us who have had a different experience than you (or at least me) don't claim that you are completely wrong - just that we don't seem to have the same issues that you do.  It isn't a personal attack (well from some of us anyway). 
 
One of the key points that I have learned from following your posts is that people who do relatively simple projects like me don't run into as many problems because we aren't using as much of Xn as some of the people who are encountering problems do.
 
I'm not being a fanboi when I say that I use X2 for an hour or two daily, have been doing so since the first day it was released, and have only had 2 crashes over that period.  For me, this seems to be stable and dependable. 
 
It really would be nice to know what differences there are that make my user experience so much better than yours.  Is it really just because I only do simple projects with a minimum of third-party tools or are there specific incompatibilities that, if flushed out, would help those of you who aren't having the same good experience that I am?
 
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 12:46:29 (permalink)
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That is not the only reason for me upgrading or attempting to keep up with the
"new". It is also a desire I have to see what is new. To evaluate it and make determinations...to move forward
with the new media, possibilites and funtions.
 
I can say that even though the experience with X2a presented the realization of complete failure ( in my case) I also got to experience
many things about it that I think are fantastic. Should it had performed as intended I would be feeling
great about all the new features and looking forward to moving forward. I was looking forward to
upgrading many areas. All that was destroyed only to face looking backwards now.
So although I completely agree with you Mooch and Mike....there is more to it for me.
That's exactly how I feel.

I've struggled with it for so long because I believed everyone telling me that it was my system. It's not my system, or your system, or Mikes, etc etc. It's the software. There's too many respectable (and otherwise - the thread upstairs this week) people popping up now stepping forward saying something is wrong for anyone with half an ounce of brain to refute it any more.

Between the module's and the upgrades, I've spent well over $200 on Sonar the last year or so. I feel like it was stolen from me, and it won't happen again.

"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 12:51:15 (permalink)
Danny and Frank...I am not a bit surprised by your posts or the others
that have been made.

Your offers of ideas and support are very simply...solid gold.
Not matter what the issues we know that the characters here are in tune.

I'm taking in all the thoughts so I can try to make
the best moves to recover.

I feel it's important to say again...I don't know what the problem is and I
sure don't want to bad-mouth anything...I could be the problem for all I know.
I'm having to work with common sense and very little technical/digital know how.

I know I've been knocked down and there's plenty trying to help me up...so what
I do know is good. Thank you all very much for that.

I use to have a good friend that always said, " I face piles of trials with smiles"...I'm
trying.

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 12:54:22 (permalink)
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timidi
So, you guys who stuck to 8.5.3 (McQ, Timidi, Ol'Pal) ... are you saying that the X's are unstable?
Bottom line though, is there are a lot of folks with weird problems.
Now hold on a sec ... I've been getting the $hit beat out of me for saying that since X1 came out ... and I've been told all along I'm wrong, the problem is my system.

So are you saying I'm not wrong?

Why would anyone come on the forum and downplay other peoples valid issue's and claim the problem is on our end?

Bub. Maybe the fanboys are simply paid shills. I for one don't understand how so many of them have nothing to do besides hang around a software forum every day, day in and day out, telling the dissatisfied how wrong they are. And, how great their system is.

And Spacey, I agree with Danny about the 64 vs 32 bit thingy. 
post edited by timidi - 2013/02/07 12:55:58

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 13:02:31 (permalink)
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Bub, those of us who have had a different experience than you (or at least me) don't claim that you are completely wrong - just that we don't seem to have the same issues that you do. It isn't a personal attack (well from some of us anyway).

One of the key points that I have learned from following your posts is that people who do relatively simple projects like me don't run into as many problems because we aren't using as much of Xn as some of the people who are encountering problems do.

I'm not being a fanboi when I say that I use X2 for an hour or two daily, have been doing so since the first day it was released, and have only had 2 crashes over that period. For me, this seems to be stable and dependable.

It really would be nice to know what differences there are that make my user experience so much better than yours. Is it really just because I only do simple projects with a minimum of third-party tools or are there specific incompatibilities that, if flushed out, would help those of you who aren't having the same good experience that I am?

 
I definitely think that has something to do with it, Glenn. For example, when I first get a version of Sonar, it goes on one of my service boxes (as I like to call my stock Dells) and I mess with it on there. The projects I do on the service boxes are way smaller than those I would do on my real recording systems.

However, I can usually spot some anomalies that talk me out of putting the new version on my recording box until a major patch comes out. I got just that with the initial release of X2. The crashing with PC modules as well as other inconsistencies drove me nuts. But, the quick fix patch ended the issues I was seeing.

By the time the X2a patch came out, I was no longer seeing any problems on my stock Dell and decided to try it on my real machine. Of course this opened me up to other things that I didn't get a chance to test as extensively. Like, I don't have the same drum modules and synths on the Dell that I have on the real machines. I don't use the same templates, I don't use the same plugs....so this opens up a new can of worms for me with projects that are more intense.

I also think soundcard interfaces play more of a role than we know. For example, I had mentioned in one of my slightly negative, but honest posts on the forum up stairs, that ALL my Echo cards (new or old technology...it matters not) leave a gap in punch-out using arm on the fly.

Yet, a Realtek using ASIO4ALL works perfectly. Then again, the Realtek only has 2 ins, so there was no way for me to know that the 1/2 on my Echo cards would not leave the gap, but 3/4 on up would gap on every Echo I own. I don't have the same stuff on the Dell, so once I really get into things on the bigger systems with bigger projects, this is where you start to see things.

Most of my little test projects on the Dell box never exceed 20 tracks and I don't use a lot of the stuff I'd normally use. So for sure, I think stuff like this can make a huge difference in how or when you may see an issue within Sonar. It seems like the more I use it like a tape deck and stay away from the bells and whistles, the better it performs. Use the bells and whistles more extensively, and that's when these weird things seem to crop up. But that said, I've been in pretty good shape with X2a even on the recording boxes. But, it still crashes far more for me than 8.5.3 ever has....but moreso when using 64 bit. Even 8.5 in 64 hates me...so hey, I won't argue with it....I just will stay away from it. :)

-Danny
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 13:06:39 (permalink)
It seems to me to be the smartest first move to try Tim.

I'm all but certain this weekend I will be going back to 32 bit and
see if my DAW likes that....I hope so.
I would like to get those lead parts for Warren as I wanted before moving on.



post edited by spacey - 2013/02/07 13:12:44
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 13:07:35 (permalink)
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timidi
So, you guys who stuck to 8.5.3 (McQ, Timidi, Ol'Pal) ... are you saying that the X's are unstable?
Bottom line though, is there are a lot of folks with weird problems.
Now hold on a sec ... I've been getting the $hit beat out of me for saying that since X1 came out ... and I've been told all along I'm wrong, the problem is my system.

So are you saying I'm not wrong?

Why would anyone come on the forum and downplay other peoples valid issue's and claim the problem is on our end?
Bub. Maybe the fanboys are simply paid shills. I for one don't understand how so many of them have nothing to do besides hang around a software forum every day, day in and day out, telling the dissatisfied how wrong they are. And, how great their system is.
I have someone following me around upstairs stalking me because I suggested that some of them are paid shills.  Now he takes everything I saw and twists it around, quotes me out of context, and just attacks me any time he sees he has a chance. I think it's funny, so I don't say anything. Well, I did once when he blatantly lied about something, but it wasn't a big deal.

I think the internet forums are the final resting place for the A/V Club kids once they graduate from High School. You know who I mean, the kids with the thick glasses, torn denim jackets, jeans, that think they are smarter than everyone else in the school because they know how to hit the 'Record' button on the VHS camera and slide the volume knob up on the mixer in the school gymnasium until it wrings so loud you can't hear what the principal is saying.

I'm dating myself there a little, but you get the picture.

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 13:44:10 (permalink)
Hey Bub, a little off topic to lighten the mood since I know you guys are at the end of your rope with Sonar....my bassist got some weird app in his phone and took this shot of me the other night. I saw it and thought "oh man, Bub would love this!"

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 13:47:53 (permalink)
Bub


I'm dating myself there a little, but you get the picture.

You're dating yourself? Oh man...first time I've heard it called that 

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 14:12:26 (permalink)
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Hey Bub, a little off topic to lighten the mood since I know you guys are at the end of your rope with Sonar....my bassist got some weird app in his phone and took this shot of me the other night. I saw it and thought "oh man, Bub would love this!"

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/Danny%20Deadzi.jpg


That's pretty cool for a phone app!

Thanks. :)


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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 14:13:28 (permalink)
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Bub

I'm dating myself there a little, but you get the picture.
You're dating yourself? Oh man...first time I've heard it called that 


I've dated worse than myself.

Wait a second ... that didn't come out right! 


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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 14:30:16 (permalink)
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Sorry to hear about all the frustration......kind of adds the credence why I have not installed X2 on my machine......

In fact I did not install X1 on my machine untill X1d came out.......I had it for over a year sitting on my closet shelf before I even thought about cracking the wrapper and doing the install......but then it was fresh install followed by patch a then patch b then patch......and all other updates before I even opened X1. Even then I had some weirdness that I needed to jump thru......But it was managable.....

So even tho I do own X2 (the boxed version) I do not think I will be installing it......dust collector will be more of it's job.......

Now I am running a 64 bit machine......I built the machine my self from scratch over a year and a half ago......I am also running windows 7 64 bit for the OS..........

Now in all honesty......(and I would call my system is 99% stable ...if I did this for a living then even once woudl be too much)....but once in a great while....(and I mean great while) I do get the white screen of death.......it happens when I try to punch too many buttons too quickly so I needed to slow my slef down and have not had any issues since....but ...luckly I save and save often......that is my montra so if I do lose anything it really is not much....in fact now that I think about it I have not had this happen in a several months..........

But (and not to go against Danny or anyone else becasue they do know WAY MORE than I ever will) but based on my own simple experience......I am happy I made the jump to 64 bit....really am.....it feels no different to me than my xp DAW Before it....

I think If I were you I would try a couple of things.....even if you did not want to go here but it may be worth it....especially in the end
1. I would reformat the HD and do fresh / clean installs of my OS and then my programs......
2. If you had better experience with 8.5.3 then go there
3. I would contact Jim Roseberry and do a consultation with him....he is very good and very helpful and may be able to give you some good  advice about configuring your system that would make it more stable.......I had him build my first DAW and the only reason it quit was because it got burnt out by a lightning strike.....(hardly his fault)..but I NEVER had an issue with it..........before I built my current system I did do a consultation with him and his help was invaluable.....Quality resource...
4. if nothing else seems to work try Reaper......and even if you do get it to work I would still try Reaper.....it never hurts to have a Second DAW in your back pocket......and besides...it's like only $60 for a license but a working version (not crippled in any way) for demo is free to try for as long as you like.....may be worth a shot....

If it works then re record the leads and export them out as wav's and send them to Warren....

any way that is my two cents FWIW.....
I hope you get your system back together and up and running soon Brother....

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 14:41:18 (permalink)
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Bub

So, you guys who stuck to 8.5.3 (McQ, Timidi, Ol'Pal) ... are you saying that the X's are unstable?
The boxed version of X1 that Cakewalk sent me would have killed my computer with the ASIO driver bug IF I had installed it. I would have needed a disk image back up just to get past bios. Luckily for me... that happened to enough other innocent bystanders that I had warning and didn't give Cakewalk the chance to kill my computer too.

One of the X1_ versions did work on my computer... it seemed stable enough for me to make a few videos showing all the bugs that I purchased with X1.

Then I realized that every time I opened X1 I was looking at the symptoms of Cakewalk being abandoned by it's original developers... so I uninstalled it and I stopped focusing on the idea that Cakewalk was encouraging me to take my money else where. Let's not mince words... Cakewalk representatives actually suggested I try other DAWs as a work around to problems I observed with SONAR. 

Then Greg Hendershott bailed on us confirming my opinion that the past 5 years of "upgrades" have been nothing but empty promises meant to keep our cash flowing.

The bugs I work around in 8.5.3 were in 2.0.... they were never going to get fixed. I know that now.

What's next?

best regards,
mike
But, according to many others, you are completely wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the X series.

So what is so different from your system, and mine, than theirs?

Are they lying?

What is their motivation?

I'm really trying to understand all this.
Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't appreciate the repeated personal insults and I don't think I'll ever understand how that works.
Well ... you bring a lot of it on yourself. You have a tendency to try and engage in in-depth conversations and A: a lot of the people you engage aren't smart enough to comprehend what you are trying to say in your style, and B: it comes off as you are talking down to them.

IOW, you wouldn't walk in to McDonald's and try to have a conversation with the guy on the grill about a 13 course French dinner. If you want to talk about French cuisine, go somewhere else where you can have the conversation you desire and look across or up, instead of down.

That said, I try to dumb down my posts and be as direct and straight to the point and clear as possible about what I've run in to, what I've done to fix it, and what I've found. That rarely works either so what do you do.
I don't think everything can be understood and there's lots of stuff on my list that I want to understand that seems fun to learn.

What more can be said?
A lot, but people don't, and then you have things like the X's. I get the crap kicked out of me upstairs all the time, but I still go up there and try to help out new users and anyone else I can from my experience ...

"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 15:04:20 (permalink)
Truckermusic


Spacey

Sorry to hear about all the frustration......
 
 
I hope you get your system back together and up and running soon Brother....

Clifford
Thank you Clifford.
 
You know you hit on something.
 
 
The smartest thing I could have done was asked Jim to build one and set it up.
It may come to that yet.
 
But first I have to at least try the options that I think I can do and with what I have
before I go adding to the mess or spending another bunch of coins.
 
 
 
 
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 15:05:36 (permalink)


Every time I walk in to Macdonald's we all have a great big smile.

That's my style.




The white socks are just the ice breaker.

:-)


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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 15:31:18 (permalink)
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Truckermusic


Spacey

Sorry to hear about all the frustration......
 
 
I hope you get your system back together and up and running soon Brother....

Clifford
Thank you Clifford.
 
You know you hit on something.
 
 
The smartest thing I could have done was asked Jim to build one and set it up.
It may come to that yet.
 
But first I have to at least try the options that I think I can do and with what I have
before I go adding to the mess or spending another bunch of coins.
 
 
 
 
Well I am glad that I can at least try to help...
 
I did not want to go against the grain of Danny or others who provide a world of help to all of us....because I know they are sincere in their desire to help others.....and I respect that of them
 
but I just know that Jim was a God send of help to me.....
It seems to me that since you do have a system and one tht works alebit not so well the best bet is to start from scratch....
and your right....don't spend a lot of coin.....I don't think you need too..
However it sounds to me like you just need to start with a clean slate....rather than try to keep trying to heap mounds of fixes on...in the long run it may be the best solution.....Not a popular thing to do mind you but at least the only thing you will have to put out is some time and effort....and if 8.5.3 was working primo for you then go there....no need to struggle so hard....
 
If you hand hurts....go to the doctor...
If your plumbing backs up then call the plumer
 
If your computer is aling.....call Jim....I am sure he can help with the configuration of your machine.
 
I really do hope you get it sorted out soon....
Clifford
post edited by Truckermusic - 2013/02/07 15:38:04

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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 17:45:05 (permalink)
Danny Danzi


Hey Bub, a little off topic to lighten the mood since I know you guys are at the end of your rope with Sonar....my bassist got some weird app in his phone and took this shot of me the other night. I saw it and thought "oh man, Bub would love this!"

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/Danny%20Deadzi.jpg




You look different somehow in that pic - did you have your teeth whitened or something ? ;)

  Paulo @ soundclick
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/07 17:47:27 (permalink)
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Bub


I'm dating myself there a little, but you get the picture.

You're dating yourself? Oh man...first time I've heard it called that 


Now there's a picture that no-one wants to see !!

  Paulo @ soundclick
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/08 02:36:06 (permalink)
Spacey, also sorry to hear of your troubles.

Spacey, FWIW, I think Trucker's mention of Jim Roseberry is a good point.  If the other fixes end up not working, although it would cost a little bit, it might be an idea to pay Jim Roseberry for a short consultation - he does do paid consulting, or at least he used to.  It might be one way to have a real chance of getting to the bottom of what is going on.

It well could be that something in your box isn't playing nice with something else.  It could also be the software...

That said, I am also one of the 8.5.3 persons, albeit for somewhat unusual reasons - the customization they removed in the X series is something I have to have due to some personal RL issues. 

For what I do, working in MIDI with orchestra sound libraries, it does well enough (though there are certain MIDI bugs I have had to work around in the past).

The things I really could use/need, sadly the Bakers have either removed, or haven't updated in over a decade.  For now, I have no reason to move into the land of Xn.  I'm just not very happy with the direction Sonar is heading, but on some of the issues, I'm very much in the minority, and that is unfortunately that.

Jim
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/08 08:12:22 (permalink)
As stated I have done a couple of consultations with Jim. He charged me at that point $40.
Not what I felt was unreasonable at all. And we email back and forth several times before that on what my specs were, what hardware I had and what the issue was so that when it came time to do the consultation we got right to it with out wasting a lot of time or frustration....

He is very customer service oriented so I felt it was money well spent. so just consider it at least as an option if you can.

that's my 2 cents
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Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/08 08:27:11 (permalink)

System Requirements

Minimum system requirements
  • Windows 7 or Windows 8 (32 and 64-bit). XP and Vista are no longer officially supported. Future updates will not be compatible or install on XP and Vista as they are no longer officially supported.
  • Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz / AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz or higher
  • 2GB of RAM
  • 1280x800 minimum screen resolution
  • 4.5GB for minimal install, 20GB recommended Broadband internet connection for download


    My system exceeds min. requirements.
    My interface is also a Cakewalk UA-101


    I've read every word and appreciate every one of them that you guys took time
    to offer. 

    I have also read "upstairs".

    There are facts and there are opinions based on experience and opinions
    that we don't care to consider for whatever reason(s).

    The fact that has the most importance to me is that X2a is a problem for many-not
    only me. Serious problems that no previous version I've purchased as even come close to
    having.
    The fact is that it doesn't perform as advertised and sold. It is indeed a shot in the dark
    for consumers. Nobody is arguing about that.

    Opinions;
    Options to be able to record;
    • Drop back to a previous version.
    • Get a new computer- Consultant.
    • Get a different program.
    Option to drop back is easy. I still have 8.5- 64 bit on the same computer with X2a.

    Option that I need a consultant or new computer.....
    Well that has to be just funny. X2a is nuts and I need a consultant.
    No....I'm sorry. I see it completely different.

    I see it as Cakewalks problem- not mine. They are the one stuck with X2 and it is them
    trying to sell it. They have their problems with it and they can hire a consultant or they
    can do as they are currently doing and get in the business of selling computers that will run it...or not. It's still their problem no matter what I do.

    Option to get a different program is always an option.

    Cake best get their act together quick IMO. If Sony decides to
    focus on improving Vegas with extensive audio editing and midi..or offer
    a sister program to handle it..well...I'm sure they realize that issue more than me.
     
    My personal opinion is Sony hasn't done it already because everybody
    knows how devastating it would be.

    So Anderton's video upstairs may show some here a new way of looking
    at things.
    I've been using both Vegas and Sonar together for a long, long time. If
    Sony makes the move...no doubt which road I'll take.


    I think I'll just sit back and watch the show. I think the update coming is
    going to tell the story. It's sure going to tell me what I need to know.






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    Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/08 23:32:35 (permalink)
    spacey


    X2a is nuts and I need a consultant. 


    By "consultant" they mean "psychotherapist."
     
    HTH.

     
    Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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    Re:Have to get this in the open... 2013/02/09 09:56:11 (permalink)
    Sorry to hear of those troubles Spacey.

    When I built my DAW a few years back I purposely set it up as a 32 bit OS.... with the full intention of keeping it 32bit until I was forced to go higher..... 64 bit was out, and it was all the rage.... but knowing I had lots of 32 bit applications and not wanting to have to purchase new stuff...... I opted to stay with a rock solid performer. 

    I never uninstall any of the DAW's on my machine. I have MC4,5,6 and X1essentials.  All run in 32 bit. Fortunately, they all run exceptionally well and stable on XP Pro 32 bit. 

    I also realize that I am quickly approaching the point in time where companies are now ceasing to make 32 bit applications and I'm being shut out of the market for updates and upgrades due to my OS/32 situation. 

    My philosophy has been that as long as my DAW runs, do I really need to have the "latest, greatest updates" or new toy that has been released?  As long as I can record what I hear in my head, in a reasonable fashion.... I am content. 

    In your case, since X2 doesn't run as you would like, by all means, go to something that does work... if it's 8.5 or whatever..... at least then, you can record the music and lay down the parts and be active in the community. 

    That's just my 2 cents worth. 

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