Have to get this in the open...

Oh man I am sorry to hear that Michael.

I'll not ask for your spec or tell you it's your config.

I'll just say sorry that you're experiencing those problems.

Thanks Ed.
Yeah it's to the point it's best I don't open it. No good comes from it.

If it weren't for the friends here and hope that the update fixes things-I would just move on.
Even fighting with a different program would be better than this.
Absolutely worthless to me. I hope an update fixes things because
this PC is fine. It's worked other Sonar versions just fine and like I said...
no other issues at all.

Thanks Alex.

Thanks Mike.
No doubt I'm happy for Warren it turned out.
It was getting there that was just to much to take.

What I should do is make a video.
It's proven it's consistantly screwed.

If people could see what I just went through and realize that
the video and audio was processed with the same system...they'd
understand why X2a makes my stomach turn.
Well it's shut me down.

I can't record unless I go backward to 8.5 ....I don't roll backwards.
Just sickening. I'm not going through another project dealing with that
junk again.

The day I rolled back and erased X1 off my machine was the very first time I ever actually made use of a disk image restore.


IT FELT GREAT!

I have never looked back.



I hate not being in an upgrade pathway... that part really sucks.

My plan is to buy a fresh DAW this year and try to get 10 more years out of 8.5.3 and what ever else I try out in the future.



Sorry to hear that it's happening to you. It made me feel dismayed when it hit me. Good luck with what ever move you make.



best regards,
mike

So sorry to hear of your troubles ol pal.  That's sorta why I still use 8.5 at work and hassle with X2a at the project room.  I really do like many of the new features but it ain't near as stable as 8.5.  Hope you get it sorted.

@Spacey, I'm really sorry to hear that's happening.

Now you know, unfortunately, what a lot of people have been going through since day 1 of X1's release. Same with Jamesyoyo upstairs.

I'm having trouble tonight too, lots of crashes and hangs. And I am STILL having this huge ongoing problem with the settings of Native Instruments plugs not being saved. I have the Solid Bus Comp on the master track that is silent every time I open the project (I have to select a preset to kick start it), and my instances of the VC-2A compressor have the peak reduction dial turned all the way down every time too. I'm truly sick and tired of having to set all of this stuff up again every time I open the project. 

I thought things may have been fixed after I ran all the updates in my Native Instruments service center, but noooo....there is definitely some clash between X2 and NI plugs. You expect this kind of weirdness from obscure freeware plugs, but come on, Native Instruments is huge. 

If I could take the solid, "built like a tank," functionality of Reaper.  The ease, features, and work flow of Sonar.  And the sheer beauty of bidule...  I would be in producer heaven...

Well I just awoke and was hoping to find a Cake representative
asking me to send my computer and interface to them and they
would send it back working like a fine custom made spacey guitar...

Then I just awoke and realized I was only dreaming and feeling exactly
like I have since I used the cursed program.

But even so...thank you Craig. I too hope everyone that is dealing with
the same nightmare is feeling well enough to hang in.

Bub


So, you guys who stuck to 8.5.3 (McQ, Timidi, Ol'Pal) ... are you saying that the X's are unstable?

The boxed version of X1 that Cakewalk sent me would have killed my computer with the ASIO driver bug IF I had installed it. I would have needed a disk image back up just to get past bios. Luckily for me... that happened to enough other innocent bystanders that I had warning and didn't give Cakewalk the chance to kill my computer too.





One of the X1_ versions did work on my computer... it seemed stable enough for me to make a few videos showing all the bugs that I purchased with X1.




Then I realized that every time I opened X1 I was looking at the symptoms of Cakewalk being abandoned by it's original developers... so I uninstalled it and I stopped focusing on the idea that Cakewalk was encouraging me to take my money else where. Let's not mince words... Cakewalk representatives actually suggested I try other DAWs as a work around to problems I observed with SONAR. 




  
Then Greg Hendershott bailed on us confirming my opinion that the past 5 years of "upgrades" have been nothing but empty promises meant to keep our cash flowing.




The bugs I work around in 8.5.3 were in 2.0.... they were never going to get fixed. I know that now.




What's next?






best regards,
mike

Hey Spacey, I too am sorry you're having issues. I know this is the last thing you probably want to do...but have you tried a complete uninstall using the method Cake recommends and also removing the important registry items?

I say that because my initial install of X2 on my good machine sort of forced me to do that. I removed all versions of Sonar except for my good version of 8.5.3. I had Sonar 6 all the way up to x2 on there. LOL! So that was an accident waiting to happen for me. But once I removed all the older versions and then did the reinstall, X2 was great for me. Also, because the X2a patch was out, I didn't bother with the quick fix. I installed X2, and then patched it with X2a before I even opened it for the first time.

Next, some people will fight me to the death on this...but I sincerely feel 64 bit Sonar has issues. I don't know what the heck it is, but I can't get through a single session without a crash. Now with the 32 bit version, which is the one I've been bragging about as being near perfect for me....it really has been quite good. But 64 bit....something ain't right there.

If you're using 64, try uninstalling it and running the 32 bit version. We have enough horsepower with our systems these days to where that 64 bit stuff isn't as important as people lead us to believe.

I use loads of plugs and VSTi's in Sonar 32 bit and NEVER have to freeze any tracks. I mean seriously...how often will you use 15 synths to where 64 bit would actually help? Most of my projects for myself and clients end up being anywhere from 40 tracks to 80 +. This usually is more audio than synth oriented...but at all times, I usually have 3 drum modules, something from East/West, Dim pro, Kontakt etc and my cpu never goes over the halfway mark.

Running the same project in 64 of course uses less cpu, but then the crashing starts. I really think something is weird with 64....if you can muster up the desire to try it, try 32 for me and see if it makes a difference stability wise. I don't know if its due to 3rd party plugs in 64, or something wrong with the program, but man....it just never works right for me. It's like 32 bit Sonar and 64 bit Sonar are two different animals for me.

If all else fails brother...as much as it may be against what you believe in, 8.5 is a solid DAW. Nothing wrong with reverting back so you can get some fun out of the program. I use 8.5 as my weapon of choice to this day. To be honest, if all my buying power and technology advancement was taken away from me, I'd be perfectly happy with 8.5 and the stuff it has for the rest of my life...truth be told.

-Danny

I am sorry you are dead in the water Spacey. For the price, if you cannot roll back to 8.5 or to 32bit ike Danny said, maybe that other daw from c0k0s would be an option until they get things right. You don't say where you live and I am not asking but if you are anywhere near Boston or LA (and if I were you) I'd either get Seth or someone else from Cake to come see me or I would make an appointment, load up my computer and interface and go for a visit and get some realtime answers. If they have confidence in X2, they should welcome the session to showcase helping someone with real problems and make a video of it to share with others who are having problems. It sounds like a great opportunity for Cake to show good CS and to show others possible problems and fixes... I mean, obviously it works fro them so... why not?? They seem to have regular seminars in LA and I assume there is always someone in Boston.
Maybe that would be too much trouble, but if it isn't.. it would be really interesting to everyone I would think.

I wish I had 8.5.3 but I was off with other interests at the time and have everything from S2-PE through S7-PE... but I don't have S8... I really wish I had the option to try it sometime. Maybe I can find one to buy off EBAY... and maybe Cake would make an exception and sell me a lisence for it since I have everything else... or I too could try that other girl.

I hope things get right for you soon. I hope Cake contacts you and that they do whatever they have to do to get you up and running right. They really should I think. I consider you to be a valued, participitating member and asset to the whole Cakewalk family.

Julien

Hi Spacey,
 Here's what I am doing.

 I am heading back towards the old tape deck mentality.

 I worked so hard to learn to conform tempo maps and M:B:T time lines to human paced music... I tried to leverage MIDI for everything good about it... It taught me a lot. MIDI helps me study music but I ended up knowing all the back corners of SONAR and the awareness proved disappointing.

 Now, I'm going back to markers, free play drums, and a time based timeline and that means I can multi track on just about any DAW out there.

 I'll still use 8.5.3 for my hybrid projects but I'm going to spend more and more time with other humans, my acoustic drum kit, and DAWs that I don't have to fight with.

 I tried S1 last year and it's just like they say it is... I installed it and 5 minutes later I was tracking music.

 It ain't hard.

 Anyways...


 best regards,
mike
 

mike_mccue


I tried S1 last year and it's just like they say it is... I installed it and 5 minutes later I was tracking music.

It ain't hard.

Anyways...


best regards,
mike

I had a similar experience with it, so I even tried my luck with another one too, that worked as well.

I cut and move stuff around after the event and it stays where I put it, the automation works like it says it will and I can see it and edit it with no fuss.
 
I can make comps out of as many takes as I want within seconds complete with cross fades where I want them and all the silence edited out.
 
15 minutes after thinking I'd like to record something and I'm done.
 
Even the midi sounds better when you can actually 'play the DAW' rather than post editing everything.  It has some life left in it.
 
It was a similar revelation for me just by looking at some of the alternatives revealed I'd been locked into doing stuff the hard way.

timidi

So, you guys who stuck to 8.5.3 (McQ, Timidi, Ol'Pal) ... are you saying that the X's are unstable?

Bottom line though, is there are a lot of folks with weird problems.

Now hold on a sec ... I've been getting the $hit beat out of me for saying that since X1 came out ... and I've been told all along I'm wrong, the problem is my system.

So are you saying I'm not wrong?

Why would anyone come on the forum and downplay other peoples valid issue's and claim the problem is on our end?