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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 12:17:32
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Seriously, does anyone care?
I do. I'm keeping score.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 12:19:11
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 12:36:06
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... I'd prefer staying in 8.5, but it may simply not be possible.
Relax. One of the benefits of Microsoft's "subscription model" is that there is now an implicit promise that applications will not suddenly stop working. Supposedly, there will not be a Windows 11, just a continuously-evolving W10. Imagine the uproar if one morning after an automatic update, popular non-Microsoft applications started failing around the world.
I think MS is going out of their way to preserve backward compatibility. For the most part, anything that ran under Windows 7 still runs under Windows 10. That includes SONAR 8.5.
I actually hope that Microsoft does create a new OS, as I can't see myself ever jumping off the cliff to W10. It's one of the reasons I'm still on 8.5. I have been demoing Sonar Pro, but so far can't see anything that warrants the upgrade, for me. I like my current workflow. But I worry that after W7 is EOL in 2020, I will have to keep using W7 and S8.5. But if that works, so what? I'll keep it offline, as I do now 90% of the time. BTW, I've been trying for months to figure out what that equation is. I'm pretty sure it's not Relativity. Something to do with Quantum Theory?
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 12:42:22
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Shannon-Nyquist Sampling Theorem.
So what if you're still using Windows 7 beyond 2020 for your DAW? I'd still be happily using XP if not for the need for additional RAM for my larger sample libraries.
BTW, 8.5 works just fine under Windows 10.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 12:55:34
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2016/03/28 14:44:13
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First off, some of them are from the same troll. Second, here's the Mayo clinic's definition of narcissism:
"Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others."
That describes a whole more folks here than just the good bye trolls 
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 12:58:36
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bitflipper
Shannon-Nyquist Sampling Theorem.
So what if you're still using Windows 7 beyond 2020 for your DAW? I'd still be happily using XP if not for the need for additional RAM for my larger sample libraries.
BTW, 8.5 works just fine under Windows 10.
Shannon-Nyquist Sampling Theorem! Of course!
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 12:59:20
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/03/28 13:56:10
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First off, some of them are from the same troll. Second, here's the Mayo clinic's definition of narcissism:
"Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others."
That describes a whole more folks here than just the good bye trolls
That's because us artistic types are all prima donnas at heart.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 13:46:29
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/03/29 08:29:16
I don't think it costs anything to treat the op with respect and courtesy regardless of whatever suspicions or failings he/she may have. Irreverently making wisecracks over what for all we know is a sincere posting demeans us all. As in our real personal and professional lives, there is no justification to gang up and bully someone daring to voice a dissenting opinion.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 14:08:50
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/03/28 14:31:54
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I don't think it costs anything to treat the op with respect and courtesy regardless of whatever suspicions or failings he/she may have. Irreverently making wisecracks over what for all we know is a sincere posting demeans us all. As in our real personal and professional lives, there is no justification to gang up and bully someone daring to voice a dissenting opinion.
This seems reasonable enough, but it's a bit optimistic. What if the failings of an OP are in fact a more or less total *lack* of respect and courtesy? What if it's plainly obvious, as it often is, that the OP is *not* sincere? Irreverent wisecracks can be demeaning, for sure, but this place would be dull as dishwater if it were only ever 100% safe and serious. Bullying and ganging up is absolutely not OK, but honestly I see very little of it here. I do see collective frustration with driveby posters and known trolls and alts of known trolls who seem to take pleasure from trashing Sonar and the forums, and sometimes vicious personal attacks. Those things are what seems, to me, to demean the place. I do see people blowing off a bit of steam about it sometimes, but I rarely ever see anything I'd describe as bullying. Maybe I have a thicker skin than others, I don't know. If the culture were as the protesters say it is, relentlessly browbeating anyone who dares to dissent or say a bad word about Sonar, then I would have been gone a long time ago, as I have little patience for it and much better things to do. But I just don't see it. I do see a series of brand new members or members with no history of contributing, who insist it is the case, over and over, often apparently agreeing with themselves from alt logins, and that starts to get me down after a while. But I don't see the behaviour itself.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 14:20:41
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I don't think it costs anything to treat the op with respect and courtesy regardless of whatever suspicions or failings he/she may have. Irreverently making wisecracks over what for all we know is a sincere posting demeans us all. As in our real personal and professional lives, there is no justification to gang up and bully someone daring to voice a dissenting opinion.
This forum's mission statement is clear: Discussion on the use of SONAR. If it's a two-way street, people are treated with respect and courtesy. Simply answering my question about what specifically was problematic about the membership program would have contributed something, as well as shown his sincerity to anyone who doubted whether his post was "real" or not. Although I agree with giving the benefit of the doubt, people here are rightfully suspicious because of trolls who take advantage of the kindness of the community by manipulating them after getting a discussion started. As I said I don't think it's a troll (although it does seem strange to log in more than once after saying "goodbye"), but it's not surprising that at this point, people are wary of non-contributors to the forum.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 14:24:41
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/03/29 10:32:30
It seems to me that a good number of these posts demonstrate a misunderstanding about the purpose of these forums. Apparently people believe that a post here is a form of direct communication with Cakers. This leads them to believe that work-arounds proposed by other users are side-steps by Cakers, when it's really other users trying to help get them beyond the potholes.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 14:30:39
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Somewhere, videodv is looking at this thinking 'all I did was post a goodbye' and it spiraled into a 2 page thread :)
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 14:50:03
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joel77
What's with all these "I don't like Cakewalk/Sonar/this forum, so I'm leaving" posts lately? Why do people feel the need to tell anyone else that they are choosing to use another product?
First off, some of them are from the same troll. Second, here's the Mayo clinic's definition of narcissism:
"Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others."
Hey :) I wonder if this might be the kind of person who would 1st be defined as someone who would go out of there way to be liked but then take offence at not being recognized for their input then sets them off then become hostile. I love being mentally ill, I love real people but get angry when they can't see the forest through the trees. I have no real self worth of myself as long as I'm in control of it, good or bad. Coming to this forum, I have learn a lot about human nature and what I have seen as a fatal flaw in others, I now see as normal people who have the need to be part of something in order to feel self worth. I guess that's why we have touristic groups as well... just seemingly normal people that play "follow the leader" to be somebody. :) I can't un-see what I see and I can't un-know what I know... I have come to love most humans as pets, born into a world that washed to stone there souls from birth to fit into a mold... they can't be un-washed and that kills me! Carry on... Hum? Would that be considered "Narcissistic"? Well that would make sense anyway, If you're looking through washed eyes... So yeah! But really I have a border line anti social disorder, agoraphobia and a panic disorder. That's what the real mental heal people call it anyway... But maybe I should have come here for my diagnosis... lol
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 14:59:21
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Hey :)
I wonder if this might be the kind of person who would 1st be defined as someone who would go out of there way to be liked but then take offence at not being recognized for their input then sets them off then become hostile.
That theory may have worked out......if he or she had more than 1 post (the OP). 
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 15:14:20
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Somewhere, videodv is looking at this thinking 'all I did was post a goodbye' and it spiraled into a 2 page thread :)
Well said, Andrew... it is crazy that so many spend time on a NO information goodby from a poster (likely a troll), constantly elevating it to the front page. Maybe it's the amazing desire to help but we get these hit jobs all the time... should let them leave the front page and tend to REAL issues we can all help each other with... BTW, It might be nice if you could check on the real status of such posters (ie, "no record of purchase" or "just demoed and not a real user") and post accordingly and just lock the thread when such occurs...
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 15:26:39
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Kinda shows how much "negative" has a pull on us. It kind of scares me. Had he posted, "Wow I sure love Sonar" it wouldn't have gone this far.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 15:44:47
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Dave000
Anderton
joel77
What's with all these "I don't like Cakewalk/Sonar/this forum, so I'm leaving" posts lately? Why do people feel the need to tell anyone else that they are choosing to use another product?
First off, some of them are from the same troll. Second, here's the Mayo clinic's definition of narcissism:
"Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others."
Hey :)
I wonder if this might be the kind of person who would 1st be defined as someone who would go out of there way to be liked but then take offence at not being recognized for their input then sets them off then become hostile.
I love being mentally ill, I love real people but get angry when they can't see the forest through the trees. I have no real self worth of myself as long as I'm in control of it, good or bad. Coming to this forum, I have learn a lot about human nature and what I have seen as a fatal flaw in others, I now see as normal people who have the need to be part of something in order to feel self worth. I guess that's why we have touristic groups as well... just seemingly normal people that play "follow the leader" to be somebody. :) I can't un-see what I see and I can't un-know what I know... I have come to love most humans as pets, born into a world that washed to stone there souls from birth to fit into a mold... they can't be un-washed and that kills me! Carry on... Hum? Would that be considered "Narcissistic"? Well that would make sense anyway, If you're looking through washed eyes... So yeah! But really I have a border line anti social disorder, agoraphobia and a panic disorder. That's what the real mental heal people call it anyway... But maybe I should have come here for my diagnosis... lol
Great post. It helps us to remember that, with the exception of truly evil people, most "difficult" people (i.e. personality-disordered) are really just trying to cope in the only way they know how, as dysfunctional as it may be. That knowledge, and constantly reminding myself of it, helped me as a counselor in dealing with these kinds of folks. I came to like them, as almost always happens once you get to know someone. Unless, again, they are evil. Or so paranoid they are scary and not to be trusted. Of course, we never really get to know each other here, as on any forum. That's why the Internet is such a breeder of nasty behavior. No real consequences, except getting banned. And some people actually like that. they can always come back as someone else, and continue their dysfunctional attempts to relate. Or, in some cases, just trash a product or forum.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 15:56:00
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/03/28 16:48:15
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Of course, we never really get to know each other here, as on any forum.
Let's see. I've met (in person) SteveStrummerUK Jonbouy Philz ohGrant quantumeffect Randy Prier Jan Eiken (RIP Jan) Noel Borthwick Seth & Ryan Julibee LanceInDaStudio middleman Bitflipper Craig Anderton If these fine people are any indication of the majority of the users in this forum I'd say the very few trolls that do happen here of are of little concern to me.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 16:35:08
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Correction: I don't really know anybody on this forum. Although I feel I know Craig a little, as I was a huge fan of Mandrake Memorial. But I always thought his face was actually Randy's. They didn't have captions in those days...
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 16:35:58
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 16:43:08
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☄ Helpfulby kevinwal 2016/03/28 17:56:37
I just stopped by to tell you all that I've been a long-time Sonar user and forum member. I still use Sonar, and will continue to use it even though I also use several other DAWs and frequent several other forums. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, ummmm, well, I'll still come around on occasion and still use Sonar for most of my work, but I will also continue to use other DAWs and go to other forums.
I think that fulfills my obligatory Sonar and Cakewalk forum usage status update. When is the next one due again?
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 17:24:55
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/03/28 18:02:08
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Let's see. I've met (in person)
SteveStrummerUK
Jonbouy
Philz
ohGrant
quantumeffect
Randy Prier
Jan Eiken (RIP Jan)
Noel Borthwick
Seth & Ryan
Julibee
LanceInDaStudio
middleman
Bitflipper
Craig Anderton
Hey! Why am I so low on the list?
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 17:40:47
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/03/28 22:26:09
The attraction to these kinds of threads for me is simple. A lot of us have a great deal of emotional and financial investment in our pursuit of music. That includes the years we spend learning the basic infrastructure of music itself, the instruments we play and the voices we train. It then extends to the tools we use to create and record the music which, to do well requires as much investment of time and passion and money as it does to master an instrument. And all those years and hours of investment are done mostly alone, in our bedrooms or studios, repetitively hammering away at scales and licks and songs with such a singularity of focus that in many cases friends and even families struggle to understand the point of it all and some eventually go on with their lives without us. The personal and financial cost to achieve even modest levels of skill in this world can be considerable. The one place we can go where we will be understood, where our devotion to music is not questioned as a stupid waste of time or a severe mental disorder  , is here in online communities like this one. Perhaps it's because the habit of investment is by now second nature to most musicians that people here put so much time and effort into assisting those of us struggling with one concept or another, but whatever the reason is, they do it again and again, and have for years and I've yet to see a single request for a quid pro quo or even a simple pat on the back. Most of us respond with our own small investments and post by post, a thing of beauty is continually shaped and reshaped, and it's something that we can all rightly take credit for and have some pride in. A lot of the trolling threads attack not just the quality of the software but the character of the community here too, so yeah, I'm interested when these pop up, because like most of you, I've invested here in my own small way and I don't much like it when vandals walk around spraying graffiti and breaking windows.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 17:50:23
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
Somewhere, videodv is looking at this thinking 'all I did was post a goodbye' and it spiraled into a 2 page thread :)
Well said, Andrew... it is crazy that so many spend time on a NO information goodby from a poster (likely a troll), constantly elevating it to the front page. Maybe it's the amazing desire to help but we get these hit jobs all the time... should let them leave the front page and tend to REAL issues we can all help each other with...
BTW, It might be nice if you could check on the real status of such posters (ie, "no record of purchase" or "just demoed and not a real user") and post accordingly and just lock the thread when such occurs...
This person is a legitimate customer who represented his or herself accurately.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 18:00:28
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Kinda shows how much "negative" has a pull on us. It kind of scares me. Had he posted, "Wow I sure love Sonar" it wouldn't have gone this far.
Negativity, confrontational posts, name-calling, threats, bad manners, are all staples of the Internet in general. This forum is no exception, it's just part of the Internet culture of anti-social behavior. I run a Facebook forum for an old NY progressive (classic rock) radio station, where the purpose is to share music and memories of DJ's, concerts, favorite albums, etc. As soon as someone posts a question like "Who is the most over-rated rock band?", World War III breaks out with the above mentioned, name calling, threats, bad manners. And I have to end up deleting the entire thread. It happens every single time. And the majority of the group's members are made up of baby-boomers, ex-hippies, and Beatles fans. If fights can break out in a music forum made up of "flower children", they can break out anywhere, including a forum for DAW software. Who'da thunk? I could write an additional 5 paragraphs on how civility, respect and moral values have declined in America (and the world) over the past few decades, which is part of the reason we see this vicious negativity, but that's a topic for another time and place.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 18:10:02
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
This person is a legitimate customer who represented his or herself accurately.
Thanks, confirms what I thought.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 18:22:01
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
This person is a legitimate customer who represented his or herself accurately.
Thanks, confirms what I thought.
Yup... as far as drive-by "I'm outta here" posts go, this just may be the most polite one I can recall. Granted, there's not much to take away from it without more details from the OP, but if nothing else it was a good use of everyone's time. Right?
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kevinwal
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 18:49:21
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I think so. Interesting exchange of ideas, no blood spilled. A good day.
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Re: Hello and Goodbye
2016/03/28 18:56:39
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joel77
What's with all these "I don't like Cakewalk/Sonar/this forum, so I'm leaving" posts lately? Why do people feel the need to tell anyone else that they are choosing to use another product? Seriously, does anyone care?
Not meaning to sound harsh, but don't these people have better things to do? Like getting on with learning their newly chosen DAW?
Sonar is not perfect, but news flash, .......... NEITHER IS ANY OTHER DAW!! Or ANY software product, for that matter. Go check out other software user forums. Full of threads about how the product doesn't work properly.
Like other users here, I've got many. many years into using Sonar. Unless Cakewalk quits making Sonar, or they totally "F" it up, I don't have the time, nor do I wish to spend the time learning another DAW. Others may have their reasons for using more than one and I have dabbled with others, but I usually find that Sonar does what I need it to do. Plugins, ...... now THAT'S a different story! Or weakness ........
I may not be a serious power user like some, but I've always had success with Sonar. Any problems I can't figure out on my own, I've always been able to get helpful advice and guidance on this forum.
Sorry, getting off the soapbox now. Back to work .......
They say the culprit always returns to the scene of the crime. LOL
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