now that FL Studio has a proper 64 bit program, i've been experimenting with it & rewiring into Sonar (though i get some crashes with it). FL tech support told me to use FL Studio as a plugin instead of rewiring.  what i would love most is a multi-core aware 64 bit version of Project 5 to rewire into Sonar. those would be some good times

worstcaseontario
 Best as I can tell, the ReWire master program can only send MIDI to it's slave. The slave can't send MIDI anywhere. I would absolutely love for a ReWire2.0 or something to come along and overcome this. My dream is to be able to use my rather expessive Ableton Live specific controllers to their full potential while giving the output to Sonar( which is behaving very well these days, by the way).
Or maybe someone knows a way around this?
 
Respek.

Ok. Thanks. 

konradh
Can we get a real basic explanation of what it is and what's it's for?

Craigs article is good reading
http://www.harmopnycentra...o-programs-work-as-one

Ref midi: Reason 7 has a new device for sending midi so you can rewire with Sonar and yet have Sonar midi controlled from Reason using a free program that adds virtual midi ports to your computer. I'm sure other DAWs can send midi to an external device so using loopmidi (or similar) can open new opportunities.

Grum.

Anderton
It's not Cakewalk testing out anything, I'm checking out the level of interest to see if I should write anything applications-oriented about it.

 Please do.  I'm in the ignorant crowd when it comes to Rewire.

kitekrazy1
 
Reason's samplers are lame if you ever built anything in Kontakt.  There's a reason why there is very little 3rd party development for Reason's samplers.  Kong is fun to mess with.

No question Kontakt is the "king of samplers," and deservedly so. But the fidelity of the NN-XT is excellent, and sometimes you want a sampler where you can throw things together quickly, get them mapped, and start playing. I think it strikes a good balance between functionality and ease of use. I also think Thor is pretty impressive.

WallyG

BenMMusTech
I use it for Notion...
 
Ben

I used to use Notion, but upgraded to Sibileus 7.5. How does rewire help with notation applications? Easier transfer of MIDI files?
 
Walt

Hi Walt, no it's not easier to transfer midi files, in fact it's a bit of a ****.  Where Notion is the killer is in the sample library.  Whereas Sibileus is a stronger notation piece of software (from the little I have used it) the samples just aren't as good as Notion IMO.
 
Ben 

I don't use re-wire. I have an RME UCX which has loopback on all the channels, so I can route audio out of 1 app and into another without issue. It has 2 midi channels so for midi loopback I just connect the out of one to the in of the other.
 
I don't need this functionality too often. When I make videos, I record with DigiCheck while I record and demo with Sonar. That way I can stop and start Sonar without stopping and starting the recording. The screen capture/video capture software I have is pretty lame so it doesn't do the best job of recording the RME inputs for whatever reason. The slightest hiccup and M$ Expression will stop recording the audio -- by this, I mean starting to record using Sonar can stop the recording of the audio in Expression without me knowing it. I make a 10 minute video and realize I have no sound.
 
When I make videos, I record with expression (to line up the recording from DigiCheck with the recording from Expression), and I may or may not record using Sonar. When I record using Sonar, it's just for explanation of something I'm showing in the video.

"Very interesting responses so far. Now that I think about it, Reason is kind of an alternative to Komplete...what with Thor, Kong, Subtractor, Malstrom, and the NN-XT, that's a pretty cool collection of instruments."
 
I wouldn't call it an alternative, just a different bag of tools, i love NI stuff, Massive is tha bees knees, but would take the kong over battery any day, not that there's anything wrong with battery ;)

Mosvalve
Rewire is greyed out in Sonar. 

That likely means you either don't have any ReWire-compatible programs on your computer, the ReWire dll is missing, or you're using a 64-bit system but your ReWire dll is 32-bit. (Propellerheads was a bit late to the 64-bit party.)
 
You can download the dll here.
 
Also Propellerheads has a document on using ReWire with Sonar. It's fairly old, but the techniques remain valid.
 

konradh
So, is Rewire a sampler/sample-player like Kontakt, Play, etc.?  If so, no further explanation is needed.

 ReWire is a protocol developed by Proppellerhead that, with some limitations, allow for easy synching of two DAWs.


 
 Respek.

worstcaseontario

konradh
So, is Rewire a sampler/sample-player like Kontakt, Play, etc.?  If so, no further explanation is needed.

ReWire is a protocol developed by Proppellerhead that, with some limitations, allow for easy synching of two DAWs.

It's also about streaming audio from one DAW into another DAW's mixer, as well as directing MIDI data from the host to the synched DAW. Konrad, I suggest you read the article I wrote, it will take 5 minutes and you'll know all you need to know about it.

I still rewire Giga Studio 3 in Sonar 4.0.2 in XP when I'm working on my old ( and very familiar ) rig.
It's awesome most of the time but the is some unfinished business there, either with GS3 or how Sonar 4 deals with rewire.
Using 1 port 16 instruments in GS to 32 mono audio tracks is Sonar it all just works very easily.
No problem printing a full mix. ( File > Export > Audio ) or freezing GS3.

Going to 2 ports or above it gets strange because either GS3 or Sonar won't render or freeze anything other than the first port so to get a full mix I have to do a bit or rewiring of my own, changing the sound card output in Sonar to my second sound cards digital channel, and then using Sound Forge 7 to capture a real time digital mix off of my first sound cards digital channel which is receiving the full mix from the other sound card.
It works. It sounds just like it should. It's just a few more button pushes to get to the end of a project.

Now as to my new rig ... X3 in Win 7 with Komplete 9 Ultimate ...
I still haven't proven to myself that Kontakt can be as powerful and run as many instruments as GS3 can in XP
without bringing X3 to it's knees. I already suspect that latency is more of a problem in X3 on Win 7 than in Sonar 4 on XP. I almost always get a drop out when starting something up in X3 when set to 2.9 MS (ASIO 128)
I never get drop outs in Sonar 4.0.2 on XP and I almost always am running at 1.5MS WDM.
Well, once in a blue moon.

I'd like to switch over to WDM in X3 to test but the "friendly" ( yea right ) driver names thing is a nightmare and I'm going to have to really mess with it to find the audio ins and outs I want used, because I don't want them all in use.
There seems to be one major down side to Kontakt compared to Giga Studio.
In GS I can build a performance and have all of the outputs assigned to just mesh flawlessly with all of the audio tracks in Sonar ... and THEN ... swap out remove, replace instruments and there's no change to the output assignments.
I'm not seeing that ability in Kontakt. Any time I change an instrument I need to re assign it's out put back to where it should be. That's a real time waster so far.

Mosvalve
Rewire is greyed out in Sonar. 
 
Craig, I am running Sonar 64bit. I found rewire.dll in c:\program files(86)\common files\Propellerheadsoftware\rewire. This file version is 1.8.1.40960 dated 2-17-14 and I assume this is a 32bit version. In c:\program files\common files\Propellerheadsoftware\rewire is empty but there is another folder called Rex with a Rex Shared Library.dll file in it. The link you provided contains version 1.7 and tells me when I run the installer that I already have a newer version of the file. I cannot find a 64bit version of the rewire.dll on Propellerhead website. Studio One finds Waves and Melodyne rewire when it loads and like I mentioned I used to see Waves rewire in Sonar. I'm stumped at this point. I think the 64bit version gets installed by Reason. I'm assuming when I installed X3 64bit that the 64bit rewire would be installed to but apparently not. Any help is appreciated. I would really like to try rewire.

On my computer a 64-bit version is in C:\Program Files\Common Files\Propellerhead Software\ReWire\ReWire.dll. I'm going to guess that's where Sonar looks for it, because you don't have it and Sonar can't ReWire.
 
I can't find a download either, so at this point I'm grasping at straws and maybe someone else will have an idea of what to do...I think maybe the 64-bit version should have been installed with Sonar. Perhaps doing a minimal Sonar re-install will give you the 64-bit dll.

Or, try this: I searched on ReWire.dll and eventually, found a bunch of ReWire.dll files sprinkled all over my computer...in the Live 9 Suite Redist folder, C:\Windows\SysWOW64, C:\Program Files\Common Files\Propellerhead Software\ReWire, ProgramFiles\Waves\ReWire, Samplitude, Sony Acid, etc. If one of these is the 64-bit 1.8.4 version, try copying it into C:\Program Files\Common Files\Propellerhead Software\ReWire, re-boot, and maybe Sonar will see it.

I just tried rewire with Live. it's pretty easy to set up, like inserting a soft synth. Once it's set up you just route midi tracks to the sounds you set up on live channels. Can you trigger cells in the Live session view using rewire?
Now I want to get a copy of Reason to play with :)