John T
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/10 20:43:17
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Recorded music generally went both significantly brighter (in terms of frequency balance) and significantly more compressed in the early-to-mid 80s, and has never gone back. Lots of reasons for that, and lots of upsides and downsides to it. But that's a whole thread on its own. Possibly a whole forum on its own. But it does mean that in a superficial sense, mixes post 85-ish tend to sound sort of slicker than anything before then. But that's always the way. Modern stuff looks modern. Doesn't mean that non-modern stuff is flawed, you just need to appreciate the context it was made in, to some extent.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/10 21:06:26
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also untill the late 80's imo music was produced for the listeners (record companies controlled everything) where nowadays often music sounds 'mixed for the band'. Personally I think that old method results in better music.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/10 21:07:30
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I'm all for it and I too agree it should be with Sonar included plugins only. This way we can see, ummmm hear what other Sonarites can do with them.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/10 22:12:24
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I can see this idea as a 2 part exercise - firstly collaboration in the writing of a piece, and then the mixing. So lets say for example someone sets up a Sonar template under a specific music genre. The template has say a maximum of 12 tracks set up in it. The tracks could be anything specific to the genre choosen but lets say we have drums, bass, 3 guitars, piano, 2 synth, vox, 2 bv's and a loop track. Twelve people nominate for each project to write and record one part on the template ie they nominate guitar 1 or bass or main vox etc etc. The project is saved as a bundle and maybe Dropboxed around to each project participant who then adds their part and uploads it again for the next person. It would be interesting to see how the piece develops as each part is written. Once all parts have been written and recorded, it then goes to say 3 mix guru's who nominate for each project to take the tune and mold it into the finished product. We would then have 3 variations of collaboration for each project - it could get extremely interesting!! This way, each "Community Project" would involve not only the talent pool of mixers out there but also the artists. Obviously there would need to be a facilitator for each project to keep things on track and there would need to be guidelines in place like who starts each project? Does it start with a vocal, a melody part or does it start with a groove or just a guitar part? Also do the mixing dudes just use Sonar plugs etc etc. And to keep things ticking along the facilitator would need to ensure parts are recorded quickly and moved on to the next person. Could be fun!! Hope this adds to the collective of ideas!!!
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/10 23:16:16
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Interesting. Question: Since so many different mixes of a song could be equally valid, would this be for fun with no winner? Or would we all start with a mix that had a lot of issues and see who could do the best salvage job? Either way, I would not win: I am a writer and wold never claim to be a world-class mixer.  Still, it could be fun!
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/11 01:08:01
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Thanks for all the comments guys, but could we stay on the topic please. To do that review the first post.
I'm using this thread to gauge the level of interest in a "remix" competition. Remix will become defined by the members and their comments in this thread. So the important things are: A) do you want to support a remix competition B) how would you like to see the competition structured
Thanks.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/11 07:08:45
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A) yes happy to make small donation B) 1 rule -> no rules CW could perhaps include a project file in a Platinum update for users to practice with (or use some bits in their own music). And maybe add a small competition to it (winners get some free download from the E-store). Perhaps just start small/easy as a try-out. For those who can't wait there's enough remixcomps out there...fe: www.remixcomps.comhttp://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-mtk.htm
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/11 18:32:51
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After reading the whole thread, I am interested.
Never remixed. Willing to try anything.
Mike I know you started this and it's your baby, run it like you want. But man, are there some great ideas here or what!!!
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/11 19:02:32
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Like this idea. I would be happy with just a whole produced song and a copy of the lead vocal. But however it ends up being defined, I'd love to have a go.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/12 02:23:31
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millzy I can see this idea as a 2 part exercise - firstly collaboration in the writing of a piece, and then the mixing. So lets say for example someone sets up a Sonar template under a specific music genre. The template has say a maximum of 12 tracks set up in it. The tracks could be anything specific to the genre choosen but lets say we have drums, bass, 3 guitars, piano, 2 synth, vox, 2 bv's and a loop track. Twelve people nominate for each project to write and record one part on the template ie they nominate guitar 1 or bass or main vox etc etc. The project is saved as a bundle and maybe Dropboxed around to each project participant who then adds their part and uploads it again for the next person. It would be interesting to see how the piece develops as each part is written. Once all parts have been written and recorded, it then goes to say 3 mix guru's who nominate for each project to take the tune and mold it into the finished product. We would then have 3 variations of collaboration for each project - it could get extremely interesting!! This way, each "Community Project" would involve not only the talent pool of mixers out there but also the artists. Obviously there would need to be a facilitator for each project to keep things on track and there would need to be guidelines in place like who starts each project? Does it start with a vocal, a melody part or does it start with a groove or just a guitar part? Also do the mixing dudes just use Sonar plugs etc etc. And to keep things ticking along the facilitator would need to ensure parts are recorded quickly and moved on to the next person. Could be fun!! Hope this adds to the collective of ideas!!!
Hey millzy, that's sort of the idea. Can you provide a bit more structure to your idea. Obviously if some of us don't make the running everyone else will just happily wonder where the remix thread went. The idea of the 2 aspects of song creation then a remix are pretty much what I suggested in one of my earlier posts #34. I think it would be a bit different to your run of the mill remix because there's lots of them around. One idea that seems pretty consistent is using Sonar and Sonar plugins only, maybe even stretch it to be only Sonitus plugins as lots of folks aren't on Platinum or previously producer so don't have access to the top range plugins. Anyway I think if we could get the bones of a format together (that will work) were on our way. Folks have mentioned Cakewalk doing this or that but no-one has shown their face to offer any support so I think we should go on our own. I've got plenty of storage space on Onedrive and could open up my home server with a website front end but think the my download speeds would be terrible especially with big audio files being uploaded and downloaded. MP3 for the initial create the song I guess and wav files for the remix. Thanks millzy.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/12 02:29:38
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John T Following from that, and more pertinent to the matter at hand - Since this is a community thing, and not a commission, or even formal contest with a ranking, I think it would be interesting if we didn't define what we meant by "remix", and let everyone run with their own idea. I reckon we'd get all kinds of fascinating stuff out of that.
Hi John T. Like what you've said here. What do you think about millzy's post above with a song creation contest followed by remix. I sort of mentioned a similar thing in post #34.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/12 02:49:03
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My two cents is to keep it simple. Making a contest that is in two parts ads another layer that makes participation more complex. Just looking at some of the responses, it is clear that some have a VERY different concept of what defines a remix. To those who listen/dj/produce genres where remixes are common, remix typically means using parts of the original song to make another version. Sometimes the remix is so different than original that it could easily be a new song in it's own right. Tempos, keys and just about anything else can change. Elements can be added or subtracted. Songs can even turn to radically different genres. To a person who works mostly in classic rock, blues, classical, etc, "remix" may mean something more along the lines of an alternative variation still very much like the original. I'm assuming the OP was suggesting closer in spirit to the former definition i gave than the latter. If that is the case, then provide stems to song, deadline and simple, non-constricting rules. I think requesting only Sonar plugs is reasonable.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/12 04:14:05
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I am the OP. The reason I thought for the song then a remix was that we need to get material for remixing from somewhere. So why not do a contest collaboration first to acquire material then a remix
Anyway keep the ideas coming because it's not my remix it's everyone's.
BTW. I use the term remix as there doesn't seem to be another that gives people an idea without a lengthy description.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/12 05:24:26
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mudgel I use the term remix as there doesn't seem to be another that gives people an idea without a lengthy description.
I suppose it could just be called "Mix Competition," as opposed to "Remix?"
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/12 13:51:14
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Then it may be thought of as just a "Mix" and no altering of the song is allowed. Which is not the case.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/12 22:49:14
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I think it's an interesting idea and I would be on board for having a go at a remix. Personally I would prefer a song that already had a finished mix and could give me something I could compare my own effort to, as well as hear what others have done to finished tracks. I would have no problems with altering the format of the song, and any or all alterations would be acceptable if this was agreed upon. I think the judging could take into account whether alterations to lyrics, rhythm, melody, etc. would contribute to a better mix. If recording the tracks was part of the "competition", then I think this would add an extra layer of complexity and could be a separate competition if required. Craig has already posted that he would be happy to provide the song for a remix, as I'm sure others would if needed.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/13 05:54:55
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The song could (as an example) have anything from just vocals or bass, or up to a full song. Then it would be up to the "mixers", which way the song takes. From old school, to new age, and everything in between  Liking the idea more and more
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/13 06:03:19
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I'm stoked by the response so far and while we've had a range of suggestions I think for this first attempt simplicity seems to be a recurring theme so I'm in the process of acquiring some tracks and when I have that organised I'll update with some more info.
Please keep,posting though with ideas and your support as if we can make a success of this then we can get into more complex structures for future song construction contests etc.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/29 02:09:18
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Thanks guys for all the feedback. I waited for 3 weeks on a few people to get back to me about some matters and they haven't so I'm sort of hung up in limbo without a stick to walk under. I'm not going to spend any more time on this. If anyone else wants to take up the baton by all means. I have nothing to pass on except the idea so its all yours.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/29 06:05:34
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To bad it did not get of the ground  Hopefully it will rise from the ashes at some point Great initiative, anyway c",)
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/29 09:12:56
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I find this forum/community a safe place to come to learn, share, hopefully impart my meager knowledge where I can, and do this all while feeling safe, knowing I'm with "family". I'd hate for "competition" to get in the way of all that. Maybe we can have a monthly mix thread, without the need for someone to "win", but rather with the goal of sharing ideas, techniques, etc. This would just feel more positive to me.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/29 09:20:46
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Without going into the who's and wherefores I was relying on some people without whom I couldn't proceed. Sadly they didn't come through don't know why, just no reply.
That's why I suggested, if someone else has the where with all to make it happen then nothing prevents anyone form doing so. I simply put forward an idea and that idea still exists, it will just take someone else to lift the idea from this page and make it come to life.
Yes, it need not have been a competition as such simply an opportunity for people to do a mix or remix of locally created music with contributed from this forum. There's tons of material available on the net if you want to mix someone else's tracks.
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Re: How about a remix competition?
2015/07/29 15:32:12
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If I felt competent to take over "the relay stick" from your idea, I would. But I am just a newbie in this kind of setting. I would feel lost.. It is still a great idea
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