How about letting some of these fixes trickle down to us 8.5 users?

 > Bitflipper< X-1b is very good is all il say !!

Heh Heh Heh.......






NO, loosers!

Just joshin' ya.

Come on into the light. We're havin' a ball in here. 
I wondered where you were Filpper. Over there still hu.

bitflipper


X1b addresses at least two issues that are not specific to X1, but apply to previous versions of SONAR as well: V-Vocal crashes and the Sonitus Delay memory leak.

How about sharing those fixes with those of us who aren't ready to go on the X1 adventure ride just yet?

Or will these fixes be withheld as an incentive to upgrade?

Copy V-Vocal folder (C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\VVocal) and Sonitus EQ (located in C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins) to SONAR 8.5 locations?

Yup.

Why stop at 8.5?

mudgel

panup

bitflipper


X1b addresses at least two issues that are not specific to X1, but apply to previous versions of SONAR as well: V-Vocal crashes and the Sonitus Delay memory leak.

How about sharing those fixes with those of us who aren't ready to go on the X1 adventure ride just yet?

Or will these fixes be withheld as an incentive to upgrade?

Copy V-Vocal folder (C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\VVocal) and Sonitus EQ (located in C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins) to SONAR 8.5 locations?

copy them from where? IOf you have X1 then the X1 files over wrote the plugins in the shared folders anyway. If you don't have X1 then you don't have access to the new versions of the files.

Maybe we could request Cakewalk to give them to Sonar 8.5 users;)

the Sonitus Delay memory leak

The first leaky version of Sonitus Delay appeared on the 8.5 disks, If you have the 8.5 download or any version older than that, you have a good DLL that can be used with 8.5.3... unless there's some other fix (the tempo sync bug?) in the X1b DLL that I don't know about...?

bitflipper



...Or will these fixes be withheld as an incentive to upgrade?

Of course, you answered you're own question, David, since 8.5 is now an abandoned program with no more upgrades or support offered. 

RB

When I installed X1b there was no re-install of the V-Vocal or Delay dlls which makes me think the fix to these was in X1b itself.

bitflipper


X1b addresses at least two issues that are not specific to X1, but apply to previous versions of SONAR as well: V-Vocal crashes and the Sonitus Delay memory leak.

How about sharing those fixes with those of us who aren't ready to go on the X1 adventure ride just yet?

+1

Or will these fixes be withheld as an incentive to upgrade?

No one is forcing you sniveling whiners to upgrade.

Or are they is that exactly what Cakewalk is doing?

8.5 is only dead insofar as no further development is being done. It is not an unsupported product.

Windows XP is dead insofar as no further development is being done. It is not an unsupported product. I download bug fixes to XP every week.

My car's model is no longer manufactured. It is not an unsupported product. I have taken it in twice to have manufacturing mistakes corrected, at the manufacturer's own insistence. One of those fixes was actually a software update.

Remedying product defects is an obligation. Don't give me any sob stories about how burdensome it is for a small company to support past revisions. I am a small company with a development staff of ONE: me. But I still do it, if for no other reason than my product has my name on it, and defects are personally embarrassing.

I've bought the last three versions of SONAR partly because they had bug fixes and partly because they had new features. But X1 does not have any new features I'm interested in, so I'd be buying it solely for bug fixes. I don't need to underscore the irony in that.

bitflipper


8.5 is only dead insofar as no further development is being done. It is not an unsupported product.

8.5 has been completely abandoned

Windows XP is dead insofar as no further development is being done. It is not an unsupported product. I download bug fixes to XP every week.

word

My car's model is no longer manufactured. It is not an unsupported product. I have taken it in twice to have manufacturing mistakes corrected, at the manufacturer's own insistence. One of those fixes was actually a software update.

word

Remedying product defects is an obligation. Don't give me any sob stories about how burdensome it is for a small company to support past revisions. I am a small company with a development staff of ONE: me. But I still do it, if for no other reason than my product has my name on it, and defects are personally embarrassing.

And... you have a sterling reputation: 5 stars!

I've bought the last three versions of SONAR partly because they had bug fixes and partly because they had new features. But X1 does not have any new features I'm interested in, so I'd be buying it solely for bug fixes. I don't need to underscore the irony in that.

The irony is palpable


I am sick of letting software developers get a free out because the technology is so new that we aren't supposed to reasonably expect quality control and a commitment to fix the stuff that is sold as advertised but doesn't work. That was the best I could expect in 1982 with the stuff we bought then... I've moved on to expecting software vendors to be held responsible for providing goods that work as advertised.

When ever a software dev defender makes excuses about how complicated the work is I wonder what other types of engineering or logistical projects they have experience with. They should try building a skyscraper or a space ship some day... yeah stuff happens... but excuses aren't excused in those fields.

Hey, it's Sunday... I'll be gentle. ;-)

best regards,
mike

 

You're right.

Basically it goes like this:

1) : Version release full of show stopping bugs... which you buy with a No Refund and No Resale policy.

2a) Patches come out through about June and then update support stops.

2b) Demo version comes out

3) Version goes on sale July or August.

4) New version comes out around November. Coda.

So you basically get just a little less than 6 months of support before any version is abandoned.

The frustrating thing is that there seems to be a continual introduction of bugs into older established features that actually worked in previous versions and there continues to the existence of bugs and broken features that seem to get ignored for decades while doo-doo-dadds are developed for entertainment.

I've been faithfully upgrading each year as early as possible but there seems to be little appreciation that a customer like that might prioritize small incremental improvements and so the focus in development always seems to be on wow-pow stuff that I am barely, if at all, interested in.

Someday some one of influence will inspire Cakewalk to do the right thing and Cakewalk will get its product back on track with a focus that demonstrates what was once clearly the world's best full featured DAW still has the potential to be.


best regards,
mike

mudgel

panup

bitflipper


X1b addresses at least two issues that are not specific to X1, but apply to previous versions of SONAR as well: V-Vocal crashes and the Sonitus Delay memory leak.

How about sharing those fixes with those of us who aren't ready to go on the X1 adventure ride just yet?

Or will these fixes be withheld as an incentive to upgrade?

Copy V-Vocal folder (C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\VVocal) and Sonitus EQ (located in C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins) to SONAR 8.5 locations?

copy them from where? IOf you have X1 then the X1 files over wrote the plugins in the shared folders anyway. If you don't have X1 then you don't have access to the new versions of the files.

I should have read your post before I responded to Panup's message as I said the same...

Wouldn't that be too easy??? ;-)

wouldn't installing X1 over write the old shared and now the new versions are what 8.5.3 calls as well as x1?

Yes, which is why those who have installed X1b alongside 8.5 will have coincidentally acquired a couple of fixes for the latter in the bargain. Which is great, especially if you're slowly migrating to X1 but still using 8.5 day-to-day. But a slap in the face for those of us who have no desire to move to X1, or to pay a hundred bucks for a couple bug fixes.

I recently downloaded a new version of SPAN, a free product that's been around for years and is maintained by a one-man operation. The new version actually includes functional enhancements! Aleksy should be an inspiration to software vendors the world over, and indeed most of the respected small developers have a similar ethic.

It's one of the reasons I hope Reaper does well, even if the product isn't my cup of tea. Its success may encourage a more consumer-friendly model across the board.

BTW, readers might enjoy this article by Dan Goldstein, principle developer for MixCraft, relating the story of a particularly difficult bug. Acoustica is another small company that's been quietly accumulating fans via a customer-centric policy.