Jun Yamamoto

Maybe MIDI work is obsolete these days...

Sincerely,

Jun Yamamoto

Not at all. Lots of people use MIDI and with virtual instruments being so prevalent MIDI is most certainly alive and well.

Jun Yamamoto

...Yes, the update may fix bugs and a few things here and there, which is as good as normal to be done...


...but it won't change the "new" workflow system.... which I personally find "dispersive", to say the least... 


...just opinions of course... but I can't find peace considering the "old " way was ONE of the main reasons I chose SONAR for... sigh..!

I am used to the tools and methods of tweaking MIDI in SONAR 5.  If it changes worse, I have no incentive to upgrade it to X1.

Dear Yun Yamamoto


That's one of the main points in the huge change from SONAR 8.5 into X1...




I'm a SONAR Producer Edition user since v6, and ALWAYS gladly upgraded since then... finding its v8.5 to be the final "real" DAW... ASTONISHING for usability, tools and workflow... 


I'll make myself clear:


To me, SONAR X1 is still the BEST music "package" in terms of value out there, as it ships with so many great music making tools and wonderful plugins that make it unattainable by any other similar product...


Indeed, I believe purchasing SONAR means (almost...) getting a "real" music studio at a great price...
I still don't see any other DAW offering that much, again, in terms of value and quality...


That said, though, I honestly believe and thus have to say that I find X1, in relation to its NEW methods of tweaking and editing (that must be clear...), a huge disappointment...


The FACT that, as reported by yourself, "...many participants in "Active Sonar" in Japan say similar complaints..." 
...means that many (old) users feel it's not the same working method any longer....


If I'm allowed to, I'll point out that I chose SONAR (up to v8.5) for both its tools/plugins and for its (to me...) extremely powerful working method....


Unfortunately, the method has been changed TOO MUCH with X1, translating it into a new (DIFFERENT...) DAW.... because, yes, I mean it...
...X1, far as "the working method" is not SONAR any longer, NOT any longer...


Sure, some GREAT improvements have been brought to X1 (the new browser, some aspects of "skylight"...), but Things (tools) are not at the place they used to be, hidden within too many menus and separated areas, some of them have also been taken away.....! And... Customization is gone...! No way this could be a good thing...


I'm disappointed because I ACTUALLY Love SONAR, but I simply DON'T have SONAR any more, as the point being SONAR X1 being such a widely different product... 
...maybe some may find it better, I DON'T, AT ALL... 

I believe it just needed some improvements and some aspects modernization, not an almost total change/turn...
Simply put, I wanted SONAR to be a better SONAR, not "something else"...
 
And I feel sorry because I feel we have lost something really deep....

I've been trying X1 for months now, and my experience says that my work has been slowed down too much...

Just my (and possibly others'...) experience, coming from a guy who ONCE fell in love with something that no longer exists...


Still waiting in hope for a (near) better future, anyway.... 





My true Regards.

Dear rockoman,

Thank you very much for your input.

I certainly took note of one pro-X1 opinion of yours.

Sincerely,

Jun Yamamoto

Dear gothic.angel,

I think I've got your idea.  X1 is something different from the long tradition of SONAR until 8.5.

I will drop in a shop and examine the program.  If I feel other sequencer is better in MIDI tweaking, I might want to change my platform from SONAR.

Thank you very much for your elaboration.

Sincerely,


Jun Yamamoto

Thank you for your positive input about X1, RogerH.

mike_mccue


I'm one of the guys that helped make X1 the most successful ever... I  bought X1 in December... and I haven't bothered using it since mid January.

First, I'll have to admit I haven't gritted my teeth and said to myself I WILL make this work, but I have given it some serious effort and I have to agree with Mike:  I haven't done much with X1 since January.  And the wait for X1b is seeming longer and longer all the time.  It better knock my socks off after this much wait.  I have completely given up working on my Win7 x64 partition with X1 - what little I have been trying lately I do under XP x32.  I got DimPro working with X1 under XP, but I never got DimPro to work with X1 under Win7 x64.  I'm still mainly using 8.5

Jun Yamamoto
Maybe MIDI work is obsolete these days... 

Definitely not. MIDI is the lifeblood of sequencing and will be for the forseeable future. External synths? yeah you'll need MIDI to sequence. Virtual instruments? Same deal. 


X1's toolset is pretty great but it's different than prior versions. Once you familiarize yourself with the tools and the new tool "HUD" (god that word seems weird every time I see it) you'll be moving swiftly.

Jun Yamamoto


Hello.

I am a SONAR 5 user in Japan.  I am reasonably satisfied with SONAR 5 but thinking upgrade from 5 English version to X1 Japanese version.

According to a famous Japanese SONAR web site "ACTIVE SONAR", X1's reputation is very bad.  "Unstable", "User Interface are completely different from 8/8.5 and difficult use", "Especially, MIDI tweaking is unusable" etc.

I wonder how you feel about X1.  It's a great innovation of SONAR or just a mistake.

Sincerely,

Jun Yamamoto
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yamamoto_jun/e/

ive been doing quite a bit of midi work for the last two months, and aside from a minor bug once in a while when copy/pasting in prv, one which cakewalk already said has been addressed in x1b, i haven't had any problems. i like it a lot so far and x1b should be coming out of the oven any day now.

...wicked

Jun Yamamoto
Maybe MIDI work is obsolete these days... 

Definitely not. MIDI is the lifeblood of sequencing and will be for the forseeable future. External synths? yeah you'll need MIDI to sequence. Virtual instruments? Same deal. 


X1's toolset is pretty great but it's different than prior versions. Once you familiarize yourself with the tools and the new tool "HUD" (god that word seems weird every time I see it) you'll be moving swiftly.

...MIDI is almost EVERYTHING.... without MIDI, al lot of aspects of MODERN music making simply would't be possible...

Not only it's can't be "obsolete" at all, it's even more "modern" than it ever was........!!!!!! 

I'm doing pretty well. Got a new machine that handles composing better in general, and I've been hit with a wave of inspiration like I haven't felt in a long time. Really enjoying working within X1, it's been a lot of smoother for me than anything before. 

All I can really ask for is a smoother way to change snap settings (perhaps putting it in the Tools Hub with the duration?)

Also... Dear OP, I couldn't help but notice you have a D-50 in your avatar. I love my D-50 as well, constantly regurgitates amazing and beautiful sounds and my music would certainly sound a lot different without it.

Hi Brandon,

Yeah - I guess I need to get up early some day so I can get a call in before heading to work.  It's just that I am so NOT a morning person.
Cheers!
Bud

I've been a very casual use of cakewalk products since the dos days... Wish I could find my old disks...

Anyhow I upgraded from 8.5 to X1 and for my needs I find X1 much easier to use.  I can't really put my finger on it, but it just looks cleaner to me with less clutter.  I run 2 monitors and put the console on my left and the main screen on the right.  It all really fits and looks well.

I liked it so much it Inspired me to upgrade my audio interface as well.

Can't say that it makes me sound any better, but that's more related to my lack of musical skill than anything else!

Plazma


I don't get it.
Reading some of these posts, you would think that Sonar X1 totally does not work, and that is just not true.

I use it every day - and I must be crazy or dumb, but for me, almost everything just works! Sure there are bugs, (I even reported a couple myself) but in no way do they stop me from composing, recording or mixing music. And seriously - I'm finding it easier than with any previous version of Sonar. The ONLY thing I feel Sonar lacks is a good sampler.

Honestly guys, get real and stop complaining!

PS: I use lots of VST synths (btw, Dimension Pro is a HOT synth) and record electric guitar. My main drums tool is Stylus RMX.   And yes, I do music for money. How come Sonar X1a, bugs and all, works for me, but for some of you it is just about crippled??

To our friend in Japan - my advice is to get Sonar X1, and enjoy the best DAW in the world. There is nothing wrong with the way it handles MIDI, and trust me, MIDI is definitely not obsolete. Arigato.

Ya know, I accidentally clicked on the wrong thread and ended up seeing your message.

I must say I totally resent when people make a comment like:

    "Honestly guys, get real and stop complaining! "

as you made.

Just because YOU happen to be ok does NOT mean every one else is.   That is SO arrogant!

I try to stay out of these types of threads lately - but since it caught me anyway, let me just say I hope one day you grow up and develope "understanding" and stop seeing the world through your very closed eyes.

THere are some of us who are quite experienced with computers, software, and especially music software who are not getting along so fine with X1.  

SO YOU stop complaining about others having problems that you don't!

Don't bother replying, I'm not staying in this thread.   It's disturbing.

I think Jum Yamamoto is by far the most thoughtful and polite forum member ever. 

Although he only has 17 posts counts and that could explain it. 

However, I admire his courtesy thus far.

Don't we have like an award or a trinket we can give him for his behavior?

I know I once gave Bapu an X1 pen. 

Jun Yamamoto

Dear Somerset:

Thank you very much for your comment.

I will wait for X1b patch.

Sincerely,

Jun Yamamoto

 Dear Jun Yamamoto, I hope that you are OK in Japan. You and all Japanese people are in my thoughts and prayers!