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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/11/30 17:35:29
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Thanks Craig. I would still like to see you rally support and take over the Cakewalk stuff. Maybe if we knew what the heck they wanted for it. geez.
Unfortunately that train has left the station. I'm not part of Gibson, there is no Cakewalk, and I want to get involved in other projects...one of which I've been wanting to do for 30 years, and now I can. There will also be a line of effects coming out next year, and I believe they represent something that hasn't been done before.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/11/30 17:45:37
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Unfortunately that train has left the station. I'm not part of Gibson, there is no Cakewalk, and I want to get involved in other projects...one of which I've been wanting to do for 30 years, and now I can. There will also be a line of effects coming out next year, and I believe they represent something that hasn't been done before.
A little sad, but at the same time very, very cool!
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/11/30 19:27:34
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Just a follow-up to Craig's original post. I was able to do this with the 32 bit versions of the Sonitus plug-ins as well as I have both 32 & 64 bit versions of Sonar on my work PC. All the DX effects show-up now as vsts in Adobe Audition so it clearly works with a lot of programs. Of course as many have posted the compressor is the lone holdout in the Sonitus suite. But it seems like a good method and should I ever decide to migrate DAWS I will keep this in mind.
I haven't tried this with DX synths yet, but can't see why it wouldn't work.
PS This was with Adobe Auditon 3 on Win 10....take heart my friends, old DAWS never really die!!!
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/11/30 21:02:33
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/06 12:12:11
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/06 12:24:09
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Wow thanks Craig!
Definitely doing the Studio One thing, but....I will always have and Use Sonar for a lot of stuff, but now I can use all those yummy DXi effects too!
Epic find! (Sonitus Delay is still my Go-to for a quik delay that just works!)
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/08 11:56:33
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Slightly OT but after working with Studio one I noticed that my 32 bit vsts and vstis that I have wrapped with jBridge also show up and work well in the 64 bit version of the program. It's EXTREMELY rare that I use those anymore, but I still have a soft spot for the Waves R Comp and L2.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/08 13:29:53
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So, the Sonitus plugins aren't standard VST plugins? Good to know, as the Sonitus reverb and compressor are basically my go-to for those effects as they're so simple to use and sound great.
Anyone know if this will work in Reaper? I'd like to get Studio One eventually as I used their free version before I bought Sonar and loved it, but it's a little beyond my price range currently as I'm a little financially stretched at the moment.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/08 13:32:28
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the sonitus with sonar are dx, but they did have them available for sale as a separate purchase, including vst versions, but no x64 unfortunately
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/08 14:34:33
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☄ Helpfulby kevmsmith81 2017/12/08 15:53:06
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So, the Sonitus plugins aren't standard VST plugins? Good to know, as the Sonitus reverb and compressor are basically my go-to for those effects as they're so simple to use and sound great.
They are so called DX/DXi. But they exist in 32bit AND in 64bit. Unlike VST, they are not bit-bridged. So if you install Sonar 64bit, you get 64bit versions of these plug-ins.
Anyone know if this will work in Reaper? I'd like to get Studio One eventually as I used their free version before I bought Sonar and loved it, but it's a little beyond my price range currently as I'm a little financially stretched at the moment.
Yes. Natively (so you do not need to read this lengthy thread for workarounds...). I some problems with GUIs of some archaic CW DXi (the GUI is "cut"), but there is no such problem with any Sonitus DX. There is "sonar like" theme mentioned in the Software board, it creates Sonitus EQ instance on new tracks by default, to imitate "ProChannel" (really more Sonar 8- filter) feeling  EDIT: I am corrected, 2 Sonitus DXes are not working: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3705420
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/08 15:24:15
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...but it's a little beyond my price range currently as I'm a little financially stretched at the moment...
Take a screenie of your Sonar Serial etc. and send it to Presonus support, they were handing out 50% discount vouchers for pro....perhaps that would move it closer to your budget :)
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/08 15:58:17
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kevmsmith81
So, the Sonitus plugins aren't standard VST plugins? Good to know, as the Sonitus reverb and compressor are basically my go-to for those effects as they're so simple to use and sound great.
They are so called DX/DXi. But they exist in 32bit AND in 64bit. Unlike VST, they are not bit-bridged. So if you install Sonar 64bit, you get 64bit versions of these plug-ins.
Anyone know if this will work in Reaper? I'd like to get Studio One eventually as I used their free version before I bought Sonar and loved it, but it's a little beyond my price range currently as I'm a little financially stretched at the moment.
Yes. Natively (so you do not need to read this lengthy thread for workarounds...).
I some problems with GUIs of some archaic CW DXi (the GUI is "cut"), but there is no such problem with any Sonitus DX. There is "sonar like" theme mentioned in the Software board, it creates Sonitus EQ instance on new tracks by default, to imitate "ProChannel" (really more Sonar 8- filter) feeling
Awesome thanks. Reaper is looking more and more like a good option. I stuck with SONAR because I liked the bundled toys (Reaper's bundled stuff, whilst very good for the price isn't a patch on what Sonar Professional offered). However, if most of the plugins I've been using will work with Reaper then there's no reason not to go with it. I don't trust that the authorisation for SONAR will remain in place indefinitely despite what Gibson are saying (especially with the "at this time" caveat they've placed in the FAQs and the fact Gibson looks to be in serious financial peril), and so I want to be able to use a DAW which is being supported so I don't suddenly lose access to any projects I'm working on. It is very sad from a personal perspective as I've grown very comfortable with the workflow in SONAR and have got to a point where it works extremely efficiently for me.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/08 17:47:06
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☄ Helpfulby kevmsmith81 2017/12/08 17:57:41
Just for clarity I'll mention that in Reaper, as with the DX wrapper discussed in this thread, the Sonitus compressor and gate are NOT available. My guess is that it is due to the side chaining allowed in those two plugins, but it's just a guess. As mentioned previously in this thread, the Sonitus surround compressor is available, so you could use that as a substitute for the compressor.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/08 17:58:01
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ptheisen
Just for clarity I'll mention that in Reaper, as with the DX wrapper discussed in this thread, the Sonitus compressor and gate are NOT available. My guess is that it is due to the side chaining allowed in those two plugins, but it's just a guess. As mentioned previously in this thread, the Sonitus surround compressor is available, so you could use that as a substitute for the compressor.
OK thanks :)
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/09 06:38:23
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emwhy
Slightly OT but after working with Studio one I noticed that my 32 bit vsts and vstis that I have wrapped with jBridge also show up and work well in the 64 bit version of the program. It's EXTREMELY rare that I use those anymore, but I still have a soft spot for the Waves R Comp and L2.
Both of those have 64-bit versions (So no need to bridge 32 bit ones). Unless you are stuck with old 32-bit only versions for some reason...
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/10 12:52:18
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/11 02:46:20
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confirm the Sonitus compressor doesn't work.
I couldn't get any GUI with the Lexicon Pantheon either.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/12 03:06:22
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I can confirm that Lexicon Pantheon has no GUI in Mixbus or REAPER , either.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/12 03:24:51
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I can confirm that Lexicon Pantheon has no GUI in Mixbus or REAPER , either.
I used to use Pantheon in REAPER and it had the GUI. It might have been a really old version because it was 32 bit only and when I went pure 64-bit at the beginning of this year, I retired the Pantheon and bought the Lexicon MPX Native Reverb, because I love the Lexicon algorithms, but wanted pure 64-bit with no bridging. I notice that Sweetwater has it again for $49.97 which is what I bought it for last year, but be aware that this requires an iLok 2 or higher, which I don't mind but some folks might. https://www.sweetwater.co.store/detail/MPXNatRev-e EDIT: Also, I ran the two side by side and dialed my own patches to match some of the presets from the Pantheon. They are not identical in their factory presets. That said, I recently had someone comment on the acoustic drum sound I have on one of my songs. They asked me how I was getting that great room sound, or was I actually getting the sound from my drum room. It was the Lexicon, and the very reason I love the room algos they employ.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/15 07:06:16
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I haven't tested this extensively, but so far very good! This works with the Sonitus effects, 64-bit DXi instruments, the Cakewalk Creative Suite effects, etc. As a bonus, if you have a Sony product like Vegas installed, its DX plug-ins show up too.
So here's the deal...this assumes a 64-bit OS and 64-bit Studio One Professional.
1. Go to https://www.xlutop.com/buzz/zip/
2. Download the zip file dxshell_v1.0.4b.zip
3. Extract it.
4. Copy the files dxshell.x64.dll and dxishell.64x.dll to the folder where Studio One looks for VST plug-ins.
That's pretty much it...open Studio One, and you'll see all the 64-bit DX and DXi plug-ins...this includes Groove Player, Cyclone, SFZ, Z3TA+, PSYN II, and...wait for it...the TTS-1!
Thanks Indeed Craig, Just caught this post ..........Luckily Followed your instructions and all working well. Running Studio One through the hoops now and I must admit its helpful to be able to activate some familiar CW DX/DXi favorites during my possible transition to the said S1....esp TTS-1 :) Cheers Frank
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/17 17:45:51
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Johannes H,
The web page below seems to indicate that Mixcraft should work natively with DX plugins. Are you saying that DX plugins did not work in Mixcraft prior to doing the procedure that Craig posted?
https://www.acoustica.com/plugins/vst-directx.htm
That info is outdated. Mixcraft dropped Direct X support with version 7 (Current version is 8).
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/17 17:57:57
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/18 03:30:19
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Trying it out. Like SAW this looks like a very archaic & cryptic company/website not intended for general public. Looks like some stuff requires a $59 usb slothog. Go HERE for free plugins, mostly from 1998. This utility is dated 2008. It's also the only one listed on KVR. FFX-16 is over $100 if you need more than 4 DXs chained. VB Price List page.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/18 06:07:47
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DX/DXi as a plugin format is basically a relic. I remember first reading about it as being advantageous because of how it leveraged DirectX and so it somehow "fit" better into the Windows architecture. The standard never really caught on in plugin market, not like VST, AU and AAX did. Not sure why, but it could have been because of certain complexities with installation/registering that overshadowed any technical advantage.
Anyway, as there is really no market for DX plugs, it really is a remarkable gift that these wrapper plugs even exist.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/24 10:15:05
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anyone know what the other files in that folder are? Like Pvst or Winamp vst? Noticed they lacked a readme, but I do wonder about them lol
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/25 02:08:24
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The some DAW makers install both 32bit and 64bit in the same folder, like MAGIX does with Samplitude.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/25 04:32:00
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soens
Trying it out. Like SAW this looks like a very archaic & cryptic company/website not intended for general public. Looks like some stuff requires a $59 usb slothog. Go HERE for free plugins, mostly from 1998. This utility is dated 2008. It's also the only one listed on KVR. FFX-16 is over $100 if you need more than 4 DXs chained. VB Price List page.
If it works, I doubt anyone will care about the website or how old it is. I only offered the link because people have reported issues with the other wrapper, and this one was referenced in a few old threads. So what's the verdict? Does Sonitus compressor work okay? (That's the plug users reported as glitchy with the other wrapper).
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/25 06:34:57
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Once I thought it did but now it's dead in Samplitude and noisy in Mixcraft and I haven't installed SO3 Pro yet.
SO3 Prime can't use outside plugins.
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
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Re: How to Use Cakewalk DX and DXi in Studio One! Really!
2017/12/25 16:33:31
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☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/05/02 16:32:52
soens
Once I thought it did but now it's dead in Samplitude
No need for DXshell wrapper in Samplitude. There is DX support built into the DAW.
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