mixmkr
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I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
I've got Cake's content on my C drive and ALL my other programs as well. Yes...I'd like some of the media content on my other drives and figure that could occur later.
What I DON'T understand is I'm ONLY using 95gb of my C drive at this point. I'm NOT running a SSD drive, but even so, that would NOT fill up the smallest SSD drives. I consider myself a typical user of Sonar, so I might expect my amounts to be *normal*. Seems I NEVER hear people screaming about Windows Updates. That's a HUGE offender, that I've seen.
I wonder what all these people have on their C drives that are using up their 240gb of space. Must be a lot of other non-audio related stuff as a guess.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
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☄ Helpfulby GLG 2015/03/14 03:32:40
mixmkr
I wonder what all these people have on their C drives that are using up their 240gb of space. Must be a lot of other non-audio related stuff as a guess.
My C: drive/partition is 47 gb full, including 4 gb for pagefile.sys. I've moved as much user and music related stuff as I could elsewhere without (yet) resorting to user-created symbolic links. TreeSizeFree is great for finding out what's taking up all the space.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/07 12:33:51
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Having enough space isn't my concern. Being able to have lean system partitions for imaging is the concern for me. A secondary benefit is to relieve whatever contention might be there for access.
As an example, I have 48G used from my C drive. It was 39 before I moved back to Sonar. And I didn't use CCC. I installed SPlat manually, so *most* of the 'content' is on a different drive. The exception is Cakewalk Sound Center, which offered no opportunity to store content with the rest.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/07 12:47:39
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Having enough space isn't my concern. Being able to have lean system partitions for imaging is the concern for me.
Me too. I just downloaded Macrium Reflect Free yesterday and imaged my most important partitions. Figured I was playing with fire not having imaged since I built this system two years ago.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/07 13:03:03
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I use Acronis and it takes a couple minutes on my 95gig used, C drive, to plop another image on an external. And that's a total image, not an update.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/07 13:12:57
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mixmkr
Seems I NEVER hear people screaming about Windows Updates. That's a HUGE offender, that I've seen.
I haven't seen such a problem for many years.... In the past for sure. Never an issue anyway if you move your cakewalk content folder, downloaded installation packages, plugins and projects onto another drive. My C drive is extremely slim. Cheers..
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/07 18:42:06
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What I DON'T understand is I'm ONLY using 95gb of my C drive...
Capacity is not the only consideration. HDDs work faster when there is less on them. Filling them up slows down average file access times (although this does not apply to SSDs). Dividing the files across several drives allows simultaneous access or at least less queueing. Separating files that often fragment from files that never change is good too. Also speading the load over several drives save wear and tear and increases the life expectancy of the hardware.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/07 21:34:55
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Excuse whilst I choke up... Is this the most rational thread ever...? Sorry please continue  This is bloody refreshing... Apols
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 00:38:44
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mixmkr
Seems I NEVER hear people screaming about Windows Updates.
Windows file belong on the C drive. Data files do not.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 11:45:24
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mixmkr
Seems I NEVER hear people screaming about Windows Updates.
Windows file belong on the C drive. Data files do not.
I definitely agree with that, if for no other reason than you can just back up an entire data drive in one fell swoop.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 12:35:43
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mixmkr
Seems I NEVER hear people screaming about Windows Updates.
Windows file belong on the C drive. Data files do not.
I was suggesting that Windows has been known for filling up drives... I remember as recent with XP and a 32gb C drive, that Windows was gobbling up. I agree, the OS and program files s/b the only stuff on the C drive. Cake is the only stuff outside of that description, that has stuff on my C drive, but it is a fairly small amount. I also wouldn't see a need to repeatedly back up samples drives and stuff like that, unless they get updated. The backup procedures are painless for me. Couple minutes maybe??
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 12:39:57
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BTW, Toontrack when it first came out made it difficult to put EZD files somewhere else. IOW, if you by mistake let it default on your C drive, you couldn't move it, as Toontrack EZD couldn't then find the files. (and you had no previous info about this from Toontrack). It may still be that way for all I know. You had to UNinstall the program and REinstall...not to mention going thru Toontracks registration again and eating up an *instance* of limited installs with the program. Many more Cake *screamers* than I remember people over at Toontrack. I think it was only when Superior came out, you could move and redirect the sample files. Since EZD is now EZD2, I wonder if you can now.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 12:45:33
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It's great that you're more/less content with the way Sonar does things. Just chalk this up to one of those things that are bigger deal to some people than they are to others.
It doesn't matter how many times you find examples of things as bad or worse -in your opinion- it won't change mine.
Take a look around at all of the mklink and other discussions being had about how to deal with this. Just think how many "Cake *screamers*" there would be if those folks wanted Cake to fix things instead of doing it themselves.
Great - your backups are sized and run in timeframes that are acceptable to you. I'm genuinely happy for you.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 13:06:17
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BobF... I'm not trying to force you into a box. In fact I think I stated somewhere else we probably actually agree on things. Maybe an apology too...if I was a tad blunt to some, including you?? In post #11...I state post #11 I agree, the OS and program files s/b the only stuff on the C drive. It was the general tone of some threads and replies that I didn't especially care for. I bring up other examples to illustrate that Cake isn't the only "offender" in this instance. NOT to build a case. I also mention the backups as being easy, because it's too bad others find it much more difficult a task than it really needs to be. For some reason, you want to keep poking where as you're really wasting your time.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 13:12:37
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mixmkr
For some reason, you want to keep poking where as you're really wasting your time.
That's funny. Like I said, I'm genuinely happy for you
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 13:14:24
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I don't think I've ever gone above 100GB on a C drive, in fact as I recall my last desktop, which I had for about 5 years and filled up with all sorts of crap, only got up to about 90GB. But I never even looked at my usage until I thought about getting an SSD in my newest computer. I had sat there thinking "Hmm, is 250GB going to be enough?" so when I looked at my bloated old C drive and saw it was only 90GB full, it was a pleasant surprise. But it's not really surprising when you think about it. We're not running air traffic control software. Apps are never going to take up that much space unless you have a gazillion of them.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 13:20:26
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mixmkr
BTW, Toontrack when it first came out made it difficult to put EZD files somewhere else. IOW, if you by mistake let it default on your C drive, you couldn't move it, as Toontrack EZD couldn't then find the files. (and you had no previous info about this from Toontrack). It may still be that way for all I know. You had to UNinstall the program and REinstall...not to mention going thru Toontracks registration again and eating up an *instance* of limited installs with the program. Many more Cake *screamers* than I remember people over at Toontrack.
I think it was only when Superior came out, you could move and redirect the sample files. Since EZD is now EZD2, I wonder if you can now.
EZD 1 is the worst product to install rebuilding a hard drive. Authorizations can be a hassle. I like the simplicity of XLN where you can move files. All I have to do with XLN is use the installer, type the password and it's set to go.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 13:25:21
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EZD 1 is the worst product to install rebuilding a hard drive. Authorizations can be a hassle. I like the simplicity of XLN where you can move files. All I have to do with XLN is use the installer, type the password and it's set to go.
Yeah...it was a pain I remember years back when my C drive was getting too full.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 13:26:38
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BobF
That's funny.
Like I said, I'm genuinely happy for you
Is that like a girl saying; "whatever" ?? Now THAT'S funny!!
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 15:35:10
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BobF
That's funny.
Like I said, I'm genuinely happy for you
Is that like a girl saying; "whatever" ?? Now THAT'S funny!!
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 16:00:55
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 16:44:34
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 This is all in fun, right guys? 'Cause we all DO agree the C drive should be "lean & mean"? T
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 17:16:12
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It's fun for me. Yes, lean and mean C drive. Well, no. That's not the real point. The point AFAIC is installation flexibility, which will certainly mean a lean and mean C drive ... and more!
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 17:30:25
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For those of us that have moved (and not junctioned) folders from previous versions and made the appropriate registry entries, does the new CCC install a duplicate (say Dim Pro for example) on the C drive and overwrite the modified registry entries?
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 18:01:13
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DeeringAmps
This is all in fun, right guys?
'Cause we all DO agree the C drive should be "lean & mean"?
T
I've witnessed over the years, people have "fun" in all kinds of sick, unorthodox ways. Nowadays, not too much is really shocking how people will act and stomp their feet demanding. It really boils down to Cake's install methods.... and currently they are what they are. If you're going to complain like a 6 yr old brat, you'll get treated like one. Then at some point, you ignore the immaturity from these people, because they really don't know any better. No respect.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 18:26:08
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I've got Cake's content on my C drive and ALL my other programs as well. Yes...I'd like some of the media content on my other drives and figure that could occur later.
What I DON'T understand is I'm ONLY using 95gb of my C drive at this point. I'm NOT running a SSD drive, but even so, that would NOT fill up the smallest SSD drives. I consider myself a typical user of Sonar, so I might expect my amounts to be *normal*. Seems I NEVER hear people screaming about Windows Updates. That's a HUGE offender, that I've seen.
I wonder what all these people have on their C drives that are using up their 240gb of space. Must be a lot of other non-audio related stuff as a guess. I have 49.3 GB free of 238 GB on my C drive (so almost 200 GB used). The last thing I want is installers not giving me the option of choosing an install location. For example, let's say a DAW or something that can end up taking a lot of space. Saying that in your case you don't have a lot installed on your C drive, and hence it can't possibly be a problem for other people is a bit short sighted. Not just that, but DAW systems are often custom built with a dedicated OS drive and a dedicated samples drive. So of course we should be able to specify an install location. This isn't 1995 anymore. For something as complex and large as Sonar, specifying an install location has to be one of the features at the top of the priority list.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 18:34:50
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Saying that in your case you don't have a lot installed on your C drive, and hence it can't possibly be a problem for other people is a bit short sighted.
and I said that where?? SilkTone
This isn't 1995 anymore. For something as complex and large as Sonar, specifying an install location has to be one of the features at the top of the priority list. In 1995 I had a custom built computer with 4 SCSI drives, that could handle the complex programs of the day. The content you don't want on your SSD, remove it or move it for now. It's that difficult because??
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 18:41:59
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Not just that, but DAW systems are often custom built with a dedicated OS drive and a dedicated samples drive. So of course we should be able to specify an install location.
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
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Re: I understand the C drive concerns with CCC...BUT
2015/03/08 19:32:31
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mixmkr
SilkTone
I have 49.3 GB free of 238 GB on my C drive (so almost 200 GB used).
What happened to the 500gb SSD that you said you ordered in this thread? (post #27)http://forum.cakewalk.com/Recommendations-for-a-new-desktop-DAW-system-m3176629.aspx
That will be my new system, which I don't have yet. It only shipped out two days ago on Friday. My current system has a 256 GB drive. But it isn't just about available disk size. Some systems have dedicated SSDs for performance reasons, for instance. Not that it really matters. No one needs to explain why they need to be able to specify an install location.
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