dke: Oh man, the right click lasso thing is one of my other pet peeves. LOL!!!! I'm getting used to that though and have been trying to get used to the arrows for my buses or using shift. I still hate it but it is what it is. I'd love for options to switch back. Remember when we first got the split clips change? You'd split your clip and the whole thing would stay highlighted and everyone complained.....so they gave us the option to have the left side highlight during a split, the right side or both.
 
I'd love to have that option for mouse scroll and lasso to be left click. I'd also like to be able to do away with some of the smart tool functions as well because to me, they make me have to do extra steps at times. I go back into 8.5 and enjoy editing so much more for some things. Of course when doing so I miss the X series features, but I just like options without having to settle or learn a new system. The new system doesn't always benefit a person and in my opinion, they shouldn't be forced to do something new when it doesn't make sense to them, ya know?
 
hockey: Hahahaha!!! I don't think I could ever lose the NJ accent. I can, however, pick up other peoples accents really well when I hang with them but still revert back to good ole Jersey. I was in England for a while and had the accent down so well, I was actually congratulated for "doing it right". LOL! When I first came home my mother (God rest her soul) said "omg, my baby, what happened to you...you're so.....English now!?" I was really pouring it on though and had her and my dad convinced. Hahaha! It helped when ordering drinks in the UK though. Seeing the looks on their faces when I ordered "Scotch on the rocks wiffa lil wooder" didn't go over too well. :)
 
Mod Bod: Yeah, for sure Sonar users have to get used to and try the new way of doing things to really experience the program. Unfortunately though, that can really be a nightmare for *some* especially coming from being so used to the old ways and being blessed enough to really work with Sonar. We have quite a few hobby users on here that still put in the time...but for we that are using this thing with great results for years, it becomes a lot harder to change your game plan. Then again, the majority seems to favor the new ways so that's a plus for Sonar on the whole.
 
Me personally, I could have stayed with Sonar 5 (which I did) for a much longer time. I wasn't happy with Sonar until Sonar 8. By the time the 8.3 patch came out, I really didn't care if I ever used another version of Sonar again. When X1 came out, I was really depressed yet excited to use and learn the new system. But by that time, I had a business that was kicking so much tail that it just wasn't feasible to learn an entirely new system with the traffic coming through. I'd be looking for something in X1 for 15 minutes that was right on my screen in 8.5. That alone frustrated the heck out of me. Then when I found out I just had to learn to use it differently, that was a nightmare too.
 
But that said, I had to give it a chance and there are more things about the X series that I like than those I don't like. I just really REALLY wish the guys that have the power to say "this is what we'll put into the next version" would stop removing things from us. In place of removing, give us additional options to use the DAW the way WE want instead of how THEY want us to use it. I really think that's fair, then again, when it comes to Sonar choices, I always seem to be in the minority and they can't make changes for one guy or even 20 guys...so I just do the best I can while hoping Sonar doesn't change too much. :)
 
-Danny

worstcaseontario
 Do I understand this tread correctly ?:
 Member CJaysMusic (who is a credit and inspiration to this forum) goes to Cakewalk Support about some workflow changes that were not written large in the literature, and gets told by support that this new behavior is as intended and to basically suck it up. He then posts here to discuss his unhappiness, and within a couple or three posts, we get Cakewalk on the thread with a full retraction, and an announcement that the issue that CJaysMusic is complaining about will be adressed on the very next point update.
 That is my understanding of what just happened here.
 My other question is:  What else can we get Member CJaysMusic to complain about?

Or look at it this way - it's a really bad policy to change basic things like gui and navigation suddenly, with no retreat to the classic workflow.
 
That's what I discovered with my own software business in 16 years, anyway.Have a setting, if so in hackerlevel ini-files, to have it work like it always did.
 
And Cake realized it was a bad idea not to allow a setting to do new way or old way.
At least that is what I hope for in many things regarding navigation - more settings please.
 
I just hate the simulatenous zoom in two directlons, for one, completely useless and impossible to foresee what you end up with.
 
More custom toolbars with any menu command etc - like Sonar 8 had.
 
 

If that is your reading of the thread then you simply do not understand the situation
 

worstcaseontario
 Do I understand this tread correctly ?:
 Member CJaysMusic (who is a credit and inspiration to this forum) goes to Cakewalk Support about some workflow changes that were not written large in the literature, and gets told by support that this new behavior is as intended and to basically suck it up. He then posts here to discuss his unhappiness, and within a couple or three posts, we get Cakewalk on the thread with a full retraction, and an announcement that the issue that CJaysMusic is complaining about will be adressed on the very next point update.
 That is my understanding of what just happened here.
 My other question is:  What else can we get Member CJaysMusic to complain about?

The bug reporting system works like this..
1. in large friendly letters it says "filing a bug report does not put you in contact with tech support"
2. if you report a bug, and its not a software bug for Sonar, ie it is doing exactly what it was coded to do, then the disposition is "works as intended"
3. to change the operation or functionality of sonar requires a feature request.
 
It is irrelevant to the bug report & feature request system what prior versions of Sonar did or did not do.
 
You may, by example cite a prior version of Sonar as the feature requested, or suggested alternative/addition to the way that Sonar operates. Or, you may post a thread in the forum to discuss it.
 
and that is where we are at.

lfm
I just hate the simulatenous zoom in two directlons, for one, completely useless and impossible to foresee what you end up with.
 
 

I hate the simultaneous zoom and scroll which in my opinion is broken as you often can't get back to where you started from before releasing the mouse (unless this bug has been fixed in X3).
 
This worked just fine in Kinetic I, back in the stone age.
 

Paul P

lfm
I just hate the simulatenous zoom in two directlons, for one, completely useless and impossible to foresee what you end up with.
 
 

I hate the simultaneous zoom and scroll which in my opinion is broken as you often can't get back to where you started from before releasing the mouse (unless this bug has been fixed in X3).
 
This worked just fine in Kinetic I, back in the stone age.
 

Press and hold right mouse button, then left click (with the cursor over the track view).
 
Left click hold, and then right click mouse button reverses that as well.
 
HTH

They way to see a single track has always been right in front of everyone's nose - it's called the 'track manager'...

Cj i noticed that as well after 10 min as my porject template is done like this .....but i have been annyed by so many other things that this was for me a minor  one .....
 
But yep let's lobby for this simple thing 
 
X3 to be X1 + , not X1 -  
 
i also noticed that some color customisation are no more here .....

worstcaseontario
 Do I understand this tread correctly ?:
 Member CJaysMusic (who is a credit and inspiration to this forum) goes to Cakewalk Support about some workflow changes that were not written large in the literature, and gets told by support that this new behavior is as intended and to basically suck it up. He then posts here to discuss his unhappiness, and within a couple or three posts, we get Cakewalk on the thread with a full retraction, and an announcement that the issue that CJaysMusic is complaining about will be adressed on the very next point update.
 That is my understanding of what just happened here.
 My other question is:  What else can we get Member CJaysMusic to complain about?

No, you don't understand it correctly.
 
The current UI scroll behavior has no plans to be changed in the next point release. This is the inability to scroll tracks when there is ample view real estate. (intended)

The view jumping when alt+scrolling (zooming) on a track is slated to be fixed in the next point release. (bug)

bvideo
For anyone who wants to see just one track, wouldn't it be better to have a way to quickly see just the one track (any track) you want to see?

1. Double-click the track header.
or
2. Show Only Selected Tracks (Ctrl+Shift+H)
or
3. Show and Fit Selection (Ctrl+Alt+H)
 
I have these last two bound to easier one-handed key combos.
 

This process seemed to work OK for me:
- With the first track selected, enable Auto-Zoom
- Drag the multi-dock divider up so that it touches the very bottom of that first Auto-Zoomed track
- Use the scroll wheel to navigate down to the last track
 
What I got was the last track only.  And, I saved it as a screen set just to be sure.   Is this still different than what CJ was needing to do? 
 
 

THANKS DANNY!!!
 
...very well presented and narrated.  I hope you folks get what you wish in the next update...
Personally ...I thought the issue was "freezing" a track at the top of the workspace....
 
Best Regards,
Roy
 
 

Danny Danzi

dke

John T
Well, different things matter to different people.

I was more just curious of why it would make a difference especially to the point of being disappointed in X3 in general over it.  I'm not against it or anything.
 
Dan

Don't get me wrong Dan, I'm definitely not disappointed with X3. I know you probably didn't mean me. I'll show you the thing that I'm talking about.
 
Keith: Arrows are cool, but if I'm editing with my mouse and doing my thing, I have to move to the arrows where as my finger is right on my mouse scroll. I's like pressing shift while scrolling...it's another thing that we have to do that was "right there" before, know what I mean?
 
Like I said in my first response, it's quite obvious I need to change the way I work to accept the change that was made. It's just super hard to not be able to scroll one click and see what I expect to see after doing this since Cake (insert version). We installed X3 on our work system down at my other studio. I didn't say anything to my chief engineer.....I just let him do his thing. 30 minutes after install he calls me and says "dude, I can't scroll up and down like I used to?!"
 
I know the people like me are probably too few for you to implement an option. I'm just finding it really difficult to break out of this. :(
 
Here's what I mean: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4909348/ScrollProblems.wmv
 
-Danny

Agree about the lack of sends. As my mixing techniques have advanced so has the need for manifold sends. Ableton has a great system where, when a new send is created beyond what is pictured, a new dial appears on the console strip. At the moment there is room on the console strip for this to happen in Sonar too.
 
IMO the current implementation is clunky. It's always the little things. Another one is changing the state iof the inspector bar. Instead of pressing a different combo for each state why not make TAB button cycle through states or something similiar. Easier to remember.

In this case, I cannot scroll the track I'm soloing to the place where I have available real-estate.
 

 
You know what he's talking about.
 
So do I. I don't think that limiting us to scrolling within 1/2 the pane gives us enough credit as users.
 
Just my opinion. I'm not all worked up about it. Obviously CJ is seriously irritated (he isn't always, you know).
 
 

Use the Track Manager, is that so hard?

SuperG
Why won't Sonar put cream in my coffee, and make it whenever I want? As a professional non-professional, I have to say that the majority of us in the non-professional industry have cream in their coffee. This is outrageous, how could Cakewalk miss such a thing? Waaaaa!

This.