Keep in mind, there are 2 kinds of corrections that I'm talking about here. I'm sorry if my wording of this is driving you crazy. Let me explain it in full so you will understand.

Correction save 1: This deals with when you do the actual room corrections with the mic. This has nothing to do with ARC the plugin at this time. This is what allows you to later use the plugin with the corrections you make here, inside the plug. With me so far? This is the one that would go through the entire procedure using the mic, and then crap out at the last screen where it would save the procedure you just spent an hour doing...only to never get saved or loaded into ARC. So at this point, though the plug will appear on your system if you were to bring it into Sonar, there are no room corrections for it to load because it didn't save the mic procedure files, understand? This crashed on Win XP and Vista using version of ARC later than 1.1.1

Corrections save 2: This save issue is in regards to how ARC reacts inside Sonar. When you DO make it through the mic procedure I spoke about above and all things work as they should, you will be able to load the ARC plug in Sonar. Upon loading it, because the mic procedure you did saved correctly, you will literally see that save inside the plug menu. You will need to load it up. From there, you should notice your monitors are now corrected and everything is working as it should. When you save that Sonar project with ARC in the bus, close Sonar down, and reopen the project, you will notice that ARC is still on the bus where you left it, the correction is still loaded in it, but it will play back your audio like the plug is disabled even though it is turned on and the correction is physically loaded into the plug. To make it work right, you click the menu, load up the correction, and it will work perfectly for the duration of that opened project. As soon as you close out of the project, regardless of a save or not, opening that same project will force you to reload the ARc correction via the menu box again each time that project is opened for the first time. This should not happen. It should play your file with correction applied without having to reload from the ARC plug menu upon each newly opened project. Understand now? Sorry if anything I said before confused you.

I was going to pass on this, even with the price drop to $300.  But then I find the price is $250 if you own any other IK product (I own a bunch).  But wait, there's more.  Now they're throwing in a 15% discount.  But wait, there's still more.  You get another IK product free.  Sheeesh!!!  How can one refuse?
 
But one question.  My sound card interface has only a line-level input.  I have no mike preamp.  Do I need one for the ARC microphone?

dmbaer


I was going to pass on this, even with the price drop to $300.  But then I find the price is $250 if you own any other IK product (I own a bunch).  But wait, there's more.  Now they're throwing in a 15% discount.  But wait, there's still more.  You get another IK product free.  Sheeesh!!!  How can one refuse?
 
But one question.  My sound card interface has only a line-level input.  I have no mike preamp.  Do I need one for the ARC microphone?

so - the price right now is actually (crossgrade) $250 - 37.50 = $212.50?
 
dang I might have to get it then.

Danny Danzi


dm: it all depends on what kind of signal levels you can get out of your soundcard. When you record vocals using a mic, do you have any problems getting good recording levels to disc?
 
 

Well, that's the thing.  I don't do vocals or any recording at all.  It's all in the box with MIDI and soft synths.  So that's why I'm asking.

hello,
according to the ik multimedia arc forum, the bugs described above might only occur if you have projects with instances of the older versions of arc in them.

Danny Danzi

M@ B


hmm, what do you suggest i do in regards to what danny has mentioned in post 51 in light of my 32 bit pops and clicks? i purchased arc because it was updated to x64.

excerpt:
"Later versions of ARC will not hold their settings in Sonar. Meaning, you load up a correction, it's there, you see it, it works perfectly. You save that project, close Sonar down, reload the project, press play, and you are uncorrected. Look at ARC in your master bus, the right correction is loaded, but it is not playing back properly. You click on your correction to reload it, and it works. This must be done each time a project is loaded. The fix is to go back to version 1.1.1 and it works perfectly and saves corrections within projects."


does reloading the correction cause it to work properly in the latest X64 version? if so, how long does reloading the correction take?

thanks,
m@

Matt, I can't confirm whether there are any fixes to the 64 bit version as far as holding corrections while saved in a Sonar project. I've not even tested the latest updates and have not heard back from the IK tech since and it appears someone took the liberty to just close my case without even replying back to me. They were supposed to test the plug on a system and get back to me. I opened the support ticket on 7/24/2010. They left me a comment on March 1 saying they would be testing for my issue. I asked if they had tested on March 19, and I see my case has been closed without a response. I'm not about to mess with the fine oiled machine I have right now without a response that my issue has been fixed.
 
Hey Obi, with all due respect (and I know this is not your problem so please don't take this as being directed at you) but I'd be willing to bet I sold a lot of these plugs for IK. As you read this thread, it's obvious that I know what I'm talking about with this plug and have bragged about it everywhere I go, not just this forum. I'm also on your site with a testimonial. I would think that the support guys would maybe take a bit better care your customers especially someone like me who has probably sold more of these plugs for your company than some of your salesmen. LOL!
 
If you get a chance and would like to look into my case or turn it over to someone who cares, I'll gladly give you my case number. The guy that has handled all my issues has always been great in the past. What happened to him this time, I have no clue but I'm very unsatisfied with how this was handled and there was no reason for my case to be closed without proper communication. This has been going on nearly a year and I still don't have any answers. I dig your product, but the support for it needs to improve or I'll have to include that as a "con" for this plug with all the braqgging I've done about it. Sorry to vent, but I just can't believe they would just close my case after I have been pretty patient with this for nearly a year without a proper answer. I've saved it as a pdf document if you'd like it emailed to you so you can see how it was handled. Thanks.

PM me your ticket number, I'll definitely take a look.

Danny Danzi


Hi Matt,

Oh no need to apologize man. The post was here for you or anyone else to use if needed. Not a problem at all. The ARC reload takes less than a second. You've seen what the plug looks like, right? There's a drop down menu to the left of it. Your corrections are there. I have several, but you'll probably have one if you just have one set of monitors you'll be using it with. If it doesn't hold your correction, you just have to click the drop down box, select your correction and it's loaded. The same as you'd use a preset in a plug in Sonar.

The problem with this issue is, it will be showing that the correction is loaded yet when you listen to the sound that is playing in your project, you'll know it's your old monitor sound without the correction. It's not supposed to work like that. You're supposed to load ARC up in your master bus, load the correction, go about your mixing, save your project and when you reopen the project, the correction loaded in ARC should be making a difference. But, it isn't on my end unless I reload it with the later versions of the plug. Like I say though, I don't know if this has been fixed with their latest update. The last version that I tried which may have been 1.2 something, failed to save corrections on Win 7 x64 using ANY version of Sonar.

I don't know if I'd worry about the issue you speak of because it's supposed to be a 64 bit version, so you should be ok. I don't know if that will fix the correction thing or not though.

Danny,


The 64bit version seems to be working. I'll report back after the weekend with complete results.

bapu

Danny Danzi


Hi Matt,

Oh no need to apologize man. The post was here for you or anyone else to use if needed. Not a problem at all. The ARC reload takes less than a second. You've seen what the plug looks like, right? There's a drop down menu to the left of it. Your corrections are there. I have several, but you'll probably have one if you just have one set of monitors you'll be using it with. If it doesn't hold your correction, you just have to click the drop down box, select your correction and it's loaded. The same as you'd use a preset in a plug in Sonar.

The problem with this issue is, it will be showing that the correction is loaded yet when you listen to the sound that is playing in your project, you'll know it's your old monitor sound without the correction. It's not supposed to work like that. You're supposed to load ARC up in your master bus, load the correction, go about your mixing, save your project and when you reopen the project, the correction loaded in ARC should be making a difference. But, it isn't on my end unless I reload it with the later versions of the plug. Like I say though, I don't know if this has been fixed with their latest update. The last version that I tried which may have been 1.2 something, failed to save corrections on Win 7 x64 using ANY version of Sonar.

I don't know if I'd worry about the issue you speak of because it's supposed to be a 64 bit version, so you should be ok. I don't know if that will fix the correction thing or not though.

Danny,


The 64bit version seems to be working. I'll report back after the weekend with complete results.

Ed, you're absolutely positive it is playing back the correction? Here's how to test it to make sure. Load up a Sonar project you have ARc saved in, and press play. Open ARC as it's playing and press the orange button to disable it and then turn it back on. Do you hear drastic sound changes to where it is making a difference?
 
On my end, because I know my monitors so well, I can tell as soon as I press play that the correction is not working. But when I toggle the orange button off and on, I hear a little click but no change in sound even though the correct monitor correction is loaded. As soon as I go up to the ARC menu and click on the correction that is already loaded, it works fine. If I don't, it will play uncorrected. Don't let the menu showing you that it's loaded fool you. It is saving my preset in its menu, it just is not physically playing back through it until I click on that menu and reload it. Thanks!

Beagle


$225.50 with shipping.

bang!

Happy Fathers' Day to me!

So what are you getting as the freebie second product?

$225.50 with shipping. bang! Happy Fathers' Day to me!

Man, with all the discounts, and using my jam points, I can get ARC for less than 200 bucks, plus a freebie! Don't see how I'm gonna be able to pass this up. Now what to get as the freebie, hmmm..........

Beagle


$225.50 with shipping.

bang!

Happy Fathers' Day to me!

Congrats! :D

dmbaer

Beagle


$225.50 with shipping.

bang!

Happy Fathers' Day to me!

So what are you getting as the freebie second product?

I don't know yet.  as far as I know it's not available to me yet and I thought that was right because according the promotion, if 5000 people buy something then we actually get 2 free items!  but we have to wait until the end of the 90 days before we get anything free.  IK Obi can correct me if I'm wrong about that.  but here's where I got that info
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/Main.html?15/groupbuy.php
 
as far as what I will get?  I PROBABLY will get the T-RACKS 3 STANDARD but I already have the compressor, so I'm not sure that's the best deal.  but I also already have Kontakt and I don't do a lot of orchestral stuff, so I don't know if I'd use the Philharmonic or not.  Maybe the Samplemoog?  is the classic studio reverb any good?

Beagle

is the classic studio reverb any good? 

Yes.

Zo - read my post #84, we have to wait 3 months and then we'll get either one or 2 freebies.

Robert - will do!  If you're available I'll get you to help me make the measurements.

by the way do you guyz have the old isnatllers to get no issues ? if we don't want to use the 1.3 version ...