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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/18 08:25:21 (permalink)
you may be right, Zo, but so far I haven't seen or read anything that tells me I can download my free software or how to. 

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/18 08:38:03 (permalink)
sorry - Zo, you are correct and I was wrong.  I found more info.  the group buy page states that you have to have your new product registered first, then log into you acct, go to the USER AREA, click on PROMOTIONS
and then it will have a link for you to select and download your free softare.

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/Main.html?15/groupbuy.php

(scroll down to the FAQ area)

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/18 12:35:57 (permalink)
hi beagle and zo,
yes, you have it right in the above post (92). once you register the new purchase, you immediately become eligible to download your freebie of =/< value. i have not picked mine yet because there are quite a few items that i don't know much about and i don't want to jump the gun on something something that might be very worthwhile to have. from what i have read, if i understand it right, as soon as you submit your freebie selection, it is automatically authorized/registered for you, so that's pretty convenient. the 2nd freebie becomes available if/when 5000 sales occur. all things considered, this promotion rocks.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/18 19:06:36 (permalink)
yep but if i remeber the new 1176 and la2a aren't elligibale ...and that was the thing i wanted beacuse no "solid" freebie allowed (solid : something material that the have to ship ...so no 2nd ARC system for me)

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/18 21:48:19 (permalink)
you can still buy arc for $212.50 and then pick something else for free, kinda the same thing... kinda.
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unless all you are interested in are the black and white comps and arc.
then you're kinda stuck...
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/18 22:39:00 (permalink)
@Beagle CSR is awesome. Really great and includes 4 different types of reverb.

@Zo M@ B is rght. Buy ARC and then you can take your pick for the freebie. :)
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/19 08:48:48 (permalink)
thanks IK Obi.  I guess I need to decide between the T Racks standard and the Reverb.  unless we hit 5000! 

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/19 09:24:11 (permalink)
IK Obi


@Beagle CSR is awesome. Really great and includes 4 different types of reverb.

@Zo M@ B is rght. Buy ARC and then you can take your pick for the freebie. :)
Freebie = Black 76 and white 2A ?


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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/19 11:08:46 (permalink)
zo, i believe the singles are excluded as freebies.


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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/19 13:23:39 (permalink)
@Beagle We're shooting for both! ;)

@Zo T-Racks Singles are excluded from the group buy.
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/27 12:22:27 (permalink)
Just like bapu, no problems here with a clean install of v1.3.1 on Win 7 x64.
Working flawlessly in 8.5.3PEx64 and X1(xyz)PEx32.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/27 23:18:10 (permalink)
I installed the disk that I received in the package with the mic, installed it on win7x64 and then went to IK and registered it, grabbed the update download and installed that.

no problems whatsoever.  ran the measurement program, saved my measurement presets and ran it in X1x64 without a problem.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/06/28 19:37:19 (permalink)
sweet! Let us know how you like it!    

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/12/30 19:31:52 (permalink)
Hello, I just had the opportunity to finally run tests and use an instance of ARC after buying it about 6+ months ago, i've been remodeling the studio area. Anyway, now that I've got it in a couple of projects, I'm having a difficult time trying to control large jumps in the dynamic range on the Master buss. Prior to inserting ARC, my limiter was handling this very well, now my levels are all over the place and Im getting like +2 overs at peaks and -3 continuous levels on the Master buss meter, while on my OTB mixer, the meter is barely peaking at 0dB. How do I balance this out? Thanks and Happy New Year.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/12/30 19:45:31 (permalink)
ARC should be the absolute last thing in your chain, so it should have no effect on your limiter.

If ARC is boosting anything, there's a trim adjustment in it to compensate. That should be all you need to do.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/12/30 22:08:24 (permalink)
ARC is last. The trim is zero'd. ARC is totally throwing my levels out of wack, my average levels are very low and my peaks are way over and my analog levels are barely peaking zero. I don't know what's going on.
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/12/31 11:00:33 (permalink)
M@B,
Here is how I am setting up the ARC.
All tracks/busses are routed to the "Master".
That is the where I "watch" all my levels etc., and where the final bounce will originate.
I route the "Master" to the "ARC buss", which feeds the analog out.
That buss has to be lowered, or the "trim" on the ARC reduced, or I too get some overs.
Since the ARC trim is not calibrated, I prefer to lower the ARC buss. I think I'm at -2 maybe -3 db.
Remember the ARC is basically an EQ (although I do think there is some phase things happening as well), and changing the EQ changes the level out.
Maybe Danny will chime in and tell us if we are doing it correctly.

T

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/12/31 18:46:42 (permalink)
Thanks DeeringAmps, That's pretty interesting that you have ARC on it's own buss, last before export. I like the idea that you can control its level without having to use the trim, because as you already alluded, there aren't any increments to see how much you are trimming. Is it common for the levels to change significantly when ARC is inserted? Obi at IK said for me to contact Tech support about this. Is this a malfunction?

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/12/31 20:28:04 (permalink)
that's a great idea! I've been having problems with that as well.  thanks Tom!

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2011/12/31 21:32:35 (permalink)
Here is the ARC thread where Danny explains the MASTER to ARC Buss Routing
I knew Danny had explained it somewhere.

Here's a screen shot of how I've set it up.



All tracks/busses are routed to the MASTER, then Master to the ARC buss.
You can see I'm trimming -2.5dB on the ARC buss, which was peaking at -.4dB.
I don't know if this is "right", but it works for me.
Hopefully Danny will chime in and give us the definitive answer.
On this project I was "Mastering" (you know amateur Maximizing) a mix with
the Slate FG-X on the Master buss. It was set for -.1 max out
Hope that all makes sense.
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/01 00:50:26 (permalink)
Thanks Tom. The numbers you are showing there look very similar to mine. I'm starting to get the impression that it doesnt matter what level changes ARC is responsible for, since it will be disabled before mixdown anyway. It also seems much easier to keep track of the actual Master buss level by having ARC on a separate buss where it won't disrupt the meter reading of what the limiter is doing.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/01 12:23:05 (permalink)
I suspect what might be happening is ARC is giving you some real big narrow band boosts and if you send it a strong signal at one of those particular frequencies, it's going to make your peak values go wild, but not have too much effect on your average levels (because the boosted/cut frequencies are so narrow).

You could also use a decent metering VST placed before ARC (there are some good free ones or IK and others sell them). Many of them show some potentially useful information beyond the simple peak or RMS meters, but they take up screen space and you have to get familiar with them to be useful.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/01 16:01:02 (permalink)
I think you are right drewfx1. ATM there is about a 6 dB dip in approximately the 120-150hz area that ARC is trying to compensate for. I intend to put up some acoustic treatment to help with this, but i'm not sure how much or where to put it. Got to look into that more, I figure to start with the corners floor to ceiling behind the monitors, but I don't want to have treatment hanging everywhere. That's one of the reasons I got ARC.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/04 08:27:35 (permalink)
Sorry guys...I rarely visit this forum....I'll have to check here more often. :)

M @ B: Here's what I'd suggest....you either totally disregard the meters you see while using ARC (not sure what the heck is wrong with that side of it, but it's definitely weird) or you try to calibrate it while it's in a bin on a bus using test tones. I used my PSP Xenon to run tones through it to get the meters calibrated ands just saved a template. Even there though, your best bet is to totally disable the bus ARC is on, and do a full play just going through your main soundcard outs to check what levels you're really getting before export.

I mix with ARC until I get something I like, then I set my master bus output to my soundcard outs instead of my ARC bus for a full pass just to see what the true level reading is. The metering in it is jacked and has been from the start. Did you happen to do the correction procedure the way I explain it in this thread here http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2332292 ?

If not, give it a try...it may make a world of difference for you. If you did it just like that...you may want to try a different version of the software or just try the correction once more just to see if your results are exactly the same as what you have. I knew I was doing it right when I got the same results 3 times in a row. But now I get it right no matter what room I'm correcting the first time. Just make sure everything is as precise as possible or this thing will fail on you, that's for sure. It's a bit touchy. Best of luck.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/04 10:51:52 (permalink)
Thanks Danny, I think this thing just takes some getting accustomed to. Since putting arc on it's own buss, monitoring the master buss level is back to normal and taming ARC's level is pretty simple (thanks Tom Deering). ................ I read your recommendations for measurement technique in the thread link you gave, and that's generally the way i did it. I took two sets and they both gave identical correction graphs, so I imagine it was adequate measurements. .................. Considering that the room has a pretty deep null around 120-150hz, and the explanation that drewfx1 offered for the spikes in ARC's meter, I have intentions of putting up a bit of acoustic absorbers. From what I've been reading, ARC give the best results when it does not have to make drastic corrections, so I think at least some essential corner traps are necessary given the deep null and the dimension/shape of the room here. .................. Thanks again to everyone for the great info,suggestions and support.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/04 15:01:39 (permalink)
Hey Obi,   I am hoping you (or others) may be able to guide me in the right direction.  Here is a shot of my ARC readings.  My room is treated but how do I know what/where to add to treat it to get my room more balanced and tuned in?  The dip I am hearing in the mids (without ARC) is causing me to mix vocals a bit too hot.  

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/04 16:57:57 (permalink)
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Hey Obi,   I am hoping you (or others) may be able to guide me in the right direction.  Here is a shot of my ARC readings.  My room is treated but how do I know what/where to add to treat it to get my room more balanced and tuned in?  The dip I am hearing in the mids (without ARC) is causing me to mix vocals a bit too hot.  

Chuck. You have a got  phenominally good adjustment curve there (the white line). Now, just mix with ARC as the last FX in your chain (enabled) and you will be hearing what you need to hear. ARC is not used to tell you what to do for your room. It is to adjust your audio EQ to compensate for your room. With ARC you no longer have to fine-tune your room. 


Just remember, DO NOT export to your desired final format with ARC on, you ONLY mix/master with it on (while in your room).

HTH. 

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/04 17:00:52 (permalink)
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Here is the ARC thread where Danny explains the MASTER to ARC Buss Routing
I knew Danny had explained it somewhere.

Here's a screen shot of how I've set it up.



All tracks/busses are routed to the MASTER, then Master to the ARC buss.
You can see I'm trimming -2.5dB on the ARC buss, which was peaking at -.4dB.
I don't know if this is "right", but it works for me.
Hopefully Danny will chime in and give us the definitive answer.
On this project I was "Mastering" (you know amateur Maximizing) a mix with
the Slate FG-X on the Master buss. It was set for -.1 max out
Hope that all makes sense.
Tom

Nice way to go Tom.


I accomplished much the same by simply adjusting the trim in ARC to get the same output level I get when ARC is off (using a flat sine wave).
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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/04 17:48:02 (permalink)
Bapu,
  What I am saying is that (I have mentioned this in one or two other threads) ARC has been great at helping me learn what my room/monitor deficiencies are but it seems so flat and harsh sounding with it on (I found the yamaha hs series monitors to sound that way too) that I prefer to mix without it.  I generally have it up on my master bus and use it to check my progress from time to time but it's usually toggled off.   
 Danny had given me the link to download something so that all audio on my system could play through ARC but I lost it.  I should ask him again.   I find that since my reference CD's are not effected it's impossible for me to use it to mix most of the time.  When I did use it my mixes seemed to come out flat and harsh too.  Maybe I should give it another shot?  
   I realize ARC is not supposed to tell you how to fix your room, but it does tell you what's wrong with it.  So, I am asking you guys.. how do I fix it?  I'd love to get my room dialed in as tight as I can anyway.

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Re: RE: IK Multimedia ARC 2012/01/04 17:54:33 (permalink)
FWIW, ARC has improved my ability to hear so much more of my music not so much of my room.

It took some getting used to, but more than a few people here noticed my mixes getting better since I started using ARC. I have Danny to thank for that.

YMMV.

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