FastBikerBoy

ChuckC


For instance... If I want to have one instance sonitus EQ on the kick and I have it up, then I want to pull up the one I have on the bass to make sure I am not pushing the same frequencies in them, when I open the 2nd one the 1st closes. This never happened in previous versions. I can't have 2 scopes up at the same time to watch while listening to a mix (say the analyst & voxengo span for instance).

There's definitely something not right there. Are they being bitbridged or docked? You should definitely be able to have as many VST UIs open at the same time as you want.

I agree with this FBB - Chuck, if I select "Disable Floating" from the Window menu for the plugin (top left corner), I get what it sounds like you are seeing, which to me looks the same as if I dock the plugin in the multi-dock. I looked for a global setting that might by default cause all of your plugs to have this setting, but I couldn't find one - but maybe FBB knows of something lurking in the deep, dark places of SONAR.
Edit - do your plugins look docked? (For me, when I dock them, or disable floating, I get a white background that fills the space around the plugin GUI to the full size of the window that it is in - so this blocks out whatever would be underneath it. If I enable floating, the plugin window generally wraps pretty closely to the dimensions of the plugin itself, and just like in earlier versions of SONAR, I can move these anywhere on the display, overlay them, move them from monitor to monitor, etc. Just curious if what you are seeing looks like it's docked - 

I'll have to play around with it guys... I appreciate the help, I really do. I just haven't had anytime to dig into it in the last few days.

After the Quick Fix X2 has been at least as stable as X1 probably more haven't had a single crash since installing the QF.  X2 has a lot more little glitches though than X1, many of them graphics related, but there is a fair amount of operations that don't always work right.

Dan

New Member negativity actually should seem pretty normal. Many of us prefer to just use the software and get on with their lives, not reaching out to boards unless we want to ask a question, or to state possibly a new issue. The V-Vocal "bug" I have witnessed before is that you might process a piece of a vocal, then listen back and it sounds about 3 octaves higher than it should have. The only way I found to fix was to simply delete the whole track and re-import the audio, THEN attempt V-Vocal again. Sonar has some quirks that, if they're not bugs, they're absolutely annoying. Last week I did a mic shootout with some current LDC clones paired up with the venerable AKG c12, Tele ELA M 251, and a Tele U47 tube mics. I would not use X1 to record the session. I used an old, but VERY reliable and solid Yamaha AW4416 to record the shootout. I just can't take chances with borrowed time like this. Too critical. However, later, while I used X1 to process the audio, I was scratching my head for hours trying to figure out why a female vocal was recorded along with a drum track, and later it hit me. It was a quirk of Sonar X1's editor. I won't go into my distaste of Sonar's editor but I'm REALLY reluctant to upgrade to X2 because I bet Cakewalk didn't do anything useful to improve it. Today, I'm shopping again. I have some other tools I'm evaluating to move to, and it's currently not going to be difficult for me to jump ship. I've made my recommendation for Cakewalk to slow down and spend more time fixing issues and quirks vs. producing an "expanded" X1 or "X2". Trying to stay ahead of the competition can only be done if you have customers willing to move with you. I don't fear change unless it costs me my ALL free time for weeks as X1 has. I can't explain accurately enough how much time I've lost with X1, so I certainly don't want to pay for more lost time with the changes that X2 may bring. Cakewalk couldn't even entice me to upgrade to "X1 Expanded" for $10 because it just added more fluff and software code I certainly didn't need. I'm still bragging about that choice! Sidenote: I seriously don't see how Cakewalk can boast Sonar X2 as a tool for Mastering. Maybe "unprofessional" Mastering, perhaps. To go Pro you need at the very least some better plug-ins, and definitely some better metering tools! Sonar has neither, in my opinion. It's not a Mastering software I'd use....but holy cow, if it were, it would make my workflow that much easier!

So, I'm biting the bullet and buying the upgrade to X2. I watched Cakewalk's online presentation with two of their long-standing Jedi's, and the only thing they said that made me want to try it out was that they claim to have fixed a lot of stability and issues with smoothness. This is the ONLY reason I'm upgrading--that and that I can be taken more seriously if I have issues with X2. Otherwise, it's not as attractive as X1 (imo), seems more cluttered, and has more new features that I personally consider a waste of CPU and disk-space, since I don't use Sonar to "write" music; I only use it to mix. I don't even use it to record, since it's been so unpredictable with latency, responsiveness, and hardware compatibility in Windows 7. I still use an old Yamaha AW4416, which still works as well and sounds just as great as it did in 1999! Call me a prune, but I actually use less time exporting CD-RW at 6x from the Yamaha, than I do troubleshooting and cursing at Sonar to accomplish the same tasks.

Not for me, no. 

I upgraded from X1 to X2. The upgrade process was really smooth and everything seemed to work fine. 

 I started a new test project in X2 and became less and less confident.

 I've had quite a few crashes. Simple things such as dragging in 3 mp3 files (and no, no pictures attached to the mp3 files - before some of the savvy of you raise that :) and X2 crashed. Tried dragging them in again and it worked for a bit, then I clicked the master buss track. Crash. This is with a project with no plugs. 

 I've found the new take lanes to be buggy, muted tracks suddenly start playing, and again, when I was clicking on the mute buttons for some takes in the lanes. Crash. It's all feeling a bit BETA at the mo. And is sad too as X1 was pretty rock solid for me and my system in general is solid. 

I haven't tried the patch yet, but as it address none of these issues, I'm not sure it is worth it?

Is anyone else experiencing these kind of random crashes? 

SilverfoxUK. Could you run a memory test and a disk test? Your failiures seem hardware related.... I have had various pc's over the years. And your issues resemble hardware faliure. X2 works really nice here...

It could allso be a malfunctioning plugin...

My experience:

They eventually got X1 right.

X2 is not there yet, some problems I've noted

Berverb will sometimes stop working

Tracks going out of sync when plugs are added.  Never seen this in any version of Sonar before, it's like the PDC is applying incorrect latency values to some plugs: Ozone, T-racks and large effects chains.

Larger projects are prone to crashes.

VVocal still crashes.

Once they get it stable I think it will be awesome, but for now, your better off using X1 if you have a fast deadline.
As far as the new console emulator ... I use it because it looks cool, not because I can actually hear it do anything :)

So, I installed X2 (very annoying to have a really loud piece of music play during the Autorun). I KNEW it wouldn't take me more than a couple of minutes to find a bug or annoyance. So, importing an X1 session into X2 with Build 803 (The QuickFix), some of the Pro-Channel Global "On" switches are lit for several tracks, but not others. Very random. One track has a label for its ProChannel, but the rest are "Untitled". Also, the Track views are VERY random when you first see them, meaning you will need to re-orient yourself in the session and "reset" your "console". Anyway, I JUST installed it, so I will give it about a week before I add anything to this. Otherwise, "eh".

brconflict...

The t0 lanes are a known issue. They don't really cause any problem. We're all just deleting them. I'm sure it will be soon resolved.

In general, I have been very happy with x2. For me, I struggled until I reduced the files to 24 bit (down from 32).

I'm happy. And I'm on Windows 8 and happy. Win 8 better than Win 7. X2 better than X1.

Just click an Archive button and then Freeze (snowflake). See if it happens for you

Well this is something you shouldn't be doing. It should be one or the other - not both. What exactly are you trying to achieve?

I'm not saying this isn't a bug but you've found something that a "normal" user (don't take it the wrong way) wouldn't come across because they EITHER freeze OR archive

I have to say that X2 64 has been ROCK SOLID.  Even more so on Windows 8,
as the Core usage has been leveled.  All cores work more evenly, and hence, gives
more stability.  At least that's been my experience so far.  I haven't had a single
crash since upgrading to Windows 8, and I'm using BOTH 32 bit and 64 bit plugins.  I've had some anomaly's with the 32 bit plugs, however.  But everything else has been solid.

If the forthcoming Win 8 X2 patch improves performance and compatability.....TOTALLY AWESOME!

Question: Is it really more stable and bug free? Answer: Not for me. Anxiously awaiting the first real update. Until then, I have others to use!

I think it is more stable and the usability improvements are significant. 

Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1?

Interesting topic this as I've been mulling this myself for a while now.

Overall -  for me - and I do just about everything at  88.2/24 Bit  3.95ms realworld latency  -  currently X2 is about as good as X1D - the issues / instabilities / quirks are different, but overall, they feel the same


Disclaimer:-  I use Sonar X1D / X2  for around  %60 of my studio work and S1V2 for the rest.

The only other thing I will add is that S1V2 just moved to verison 2.5 and as amazing as the S1V2 Audio Engine already was, the move to  S1V2.5 is on another level again in terms of sheer solidness - it is quite literally un-glitchable and totally gapless - how they do it, I have no idea.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - if you could combine X2's maturity and breadth of features with S1V2.5's Audio Engine ..... man ..... now that would be " out of sight "  !

Ben