Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1?

I would think the chipmonk effect is more with how you use V-Vocal than anything wrong with it. Granted it may not be the best vocal correction software in existence but perfectly usable nonetheless.

Bit bridge I rarely use, I have Jbridge so can't comment.

Export entire mix 'problem'. I think a stereo wave is exactly what I'd expect from that. There are other options you can set for all tracks/busses/stems/split mono etc.

Firefox doesn't play well with the forum software. I use IE tab in Firefox and Chrome works well as well if that helps.

@ Swiller.... I wana hear the type of music you are making with porno running along side X1d

Norrie +1 Ha Ha

brconflict

I'm really and genuinely curious to see what, if any issues people have had with X1, and whether those issues or idiosyncrasies have actually been fixed in X2.

Well, I'm the perfect person to ask this question to. Did I say that right? Doh! :)

Anyhoo ...

X1 sucked Moose on my system. It brought it too it's knee's, made it cry, and **** slapped it. The Pro Channel randomly turned on and off on it's own, clips would go out of sync with the project, random crashes, and that's not even getting in to the things that flat out did not work when they originally released X1 such as, Snap To Grid, Audio Snap, and others that I'm forgetting. Honestly, how could you release DAW 2.0 with those two things flat out not working?

So, anyway ... same computer, same audio card, same Windows 7, only difference is I'm running X2. No problems at all after they released the Quick Fix. Pro Channel doesn't do the on/off magic trick anymore, which was the biggest problem I ran in to. It made X1 unusable to be honest, so I got in to the habit of never using it, even after I bought some modules for it. So far X2 is working great on the same computer that X1 crunched up.

On the flip side of that ... some of the very same people that said my system was the problem when running X1, are now experiencing the same problems I had, only with X2. Vengeance is mine!!

To all of you I say, throw out that piece of crap you are using and go spend a couple of grand on a new computer ... sound familiar?

For example, Cakewalk still bundles the "OK" V-Vocal, which has been known to produce chipmunks at times.

V-vocal never did work right from day one. It's Uber-picky about what clips it will or will not work on. It's one of those 'use at own risk' programs. When it works ... it is as good, if not better than anything else out there.

There have also been issues with bit-bridging being too CPU intensive

Bitbridge sucks. There's no other way to put it. 99.9% of the crashes I've ever had were related to Bitbridge, so I stopped using it. And when I do have to use it, I freeze the track as soon as humanly possible. J-bridge isn't much better, and if it is, they should replace Bitbridge with it ... or at least update Bitbridge. I would rather have seen that than the LP-64 EQ worked on.

...., or Exporting "Entire Mix" produces only a single clip?

This happened to me for the first time when I got X2. But ..... I was using a different sound card. I was using the embedded Realtek sound card on my motherboard. I had a lot of problems exporting with it, but not a single one with my M-Audio Fast Track Ultra. On the Realtek I would see weird things such as, there would be a message up in the console that said 'Rendering'. It would go through 3 or 4 cycles of that, then it would act like it was exporting the project finally, and poof ... I would get 634k .wav file after 7 minutes.

So, judging by my experience with exporting 'Entire Mix', I have to say the problems I had were 100% related to the sound card. Just something to keep in mind.

I ran into bugs/issues that I felt surely Cakewalk QC would have found and knocked out, reported some of them, but don't know if X2 really would fix such things. Any feedback on issues from X2 that would make me want to wait for the upgrade? I think Cakewalk users deserve good, creative feedback, without all the hype I've seen in the E-mail campaigns.

It's never going to work 100%. None of them do. But I do have to say that so far X2 is working great on my system, but there are way more posts than mine that prove otherwise. Not trying to be wishy washy, but it is really weird how my system flat out could not run X1, but does X2, and the people who were running X1 can't seem to run X2 now. Very odd indeed.

... The Preview Post button on the forum site doesn't seem to work in FireFox.

FireFox will work perfectly with the forums, but you have to use an older version. Version 3.6 (and all the point releases of it) work perfectly. I have it installed just for this forum, and use the latest version for everything else. There are some others that seem to work, but you can't zoom in, if you do, all your text formatting options disappear. So if you have trouble seeing the small print it may be a problem if you like to zoom when using Chrome. Some say they have gotten IE9 to work, but I can't. FF3.6 is the only thing I've been able to find that works 100% with this forum.

Hope I helped and didn't make the decision harder for you.

BTW ... I'm running an Intel i5 Quad Core with 4/GB RAM on a Gigabyte Mobo with a Fast Track Ultra USB sound card.

Such negativity with such low post counts...

Seems like a pattern.

ggg 

^^^^ What Bibs said.
 
It doesn't take long to peruse the first two pages of this forum to see that X2 is running great for some and not so well for others.   And for yet another group, about the same as X1, which is where I happen to fall.  All of which should indicate that there's really only one way to find out for sure.
 

If your concern is about stability you should always wait a service pack or two before you use the product in a professional environment, and besides you can run X1 and X2 side by side and find out for yourself. Upgrade now, then make your own decision on whether you should be using it in production now or later.

Such negativity with such low post counts... Seems like a pattern.

That's such BS.  We go to these forums to get feedback on whether we should invest more of our money or stick with "the devil we know."  The X1 rollout was such a negative experience for many users, I certainly understand and appreciate the honest negative reviews regardless of how active a user is on these boards.  I don't want to pay Roland to be a beta tester any more, and so far there hasn't been a big enough bribe, to get me to invest in another set of headaches.  


Sure, this is a very complex piece of software that can do wonderful things, but this company is notorious for making us pay for upgrades only to find the upgrade has the same issues as the previous version.  Instead of offering upgrade incentives, offer a trial version.  This tells the consumer that you have confidence in your product.

X1 worked well here too. Right out the box X2 is extremly stable and much better then X1 even though there are some bugs.
Well in a period of 6 month X2 Will be very stable platform to work with...

I dove straight into X1 - I was lokking for a new DAW becaue I was really tired of Sonar... then Cakewalk made a new DAW and I went for it straight away. I had it up and running straight away on my system. It worked. Now, there were some niggles but it all worked really well. X1d was the best Sonar I've experienced. Actually, the most stable and reliable DAW I've ever had!

So I dove straight into X2 as well and started working. There were some minor annoyances, most of them was fixed with the quick fix. There are some other things too. Not really bugs or showstoppers, but niggles. All in all, it's as stable, if not more stable, as X1d. There are a few random bugs but it's only a tiny bump in the road. It doesn't crash at least. I'm 99,8% happy and the final .2% is likely to be fixed really soon.

I have installed X2 a couple of days ago and opened the old x1 projects without problems working some hours without negative but only positive surprises at the moment. Whit X1d there was still a lot of bug and issues that i used to face almost during every session (crash, hang of the system, freeze and so on).
I hope this positive feedback will continue, i think Sonar is absolutely the best DAW in term of workflows and overall functionalities but with some important insane instability. If the first impression is not wrong, it will be n. 1 without any dubt.
 
my 2 cents
Vincent

I have been getting a lot of graphical bugs, namely inactivity on volume meters, blank PC modules and artifacts from deleted clips. Also a noticeable increase in crashes, usually with an absence of Cakes crash reporter. I think I have noticed an improvement in the audio engine, but it is still far from gapless.

ChuckC


The only annoyance that I have found is that unlike 8.5 I can not have more than one plugin open and displayed at the same time... ERRRRR that bothers me.

Not sure I follow you - do you have your plugins docked in the multidock? I can have any number of plugins on display at one time if they are not docked. 

ChuckC


For instance... If I want to have one instance sonitus EQ on the kick and I have it up, then I want to pull up the one I have on the bass to make sure I am not pushing the same frequencies in them, when I open the 2nd one the 1st closes. This never happened in previous versions. I can't have 2 scopes up at the same time to watch while listening to a mix (say the analyst & voxengo span for instance).

There's definitely something not right there. Are they being bitbridged or docked? You should definitely be able to have as many VST UIs open at the same time as you want.

I have been getting a lot of graphical bugs, namely inactivity on volume meters, blank PC modules and artifacts from deleted clips. Also a noticeable increase in crashes, usually with an absence of Cakes crash reporter.


I have only installed X2 this week as I had been finishing a couple large projects - Initially not very stable and I definitely had the graphical bugs as mentioned above by perfect print.
I just installed the quick fix last night and shall now run X2 to see if things are better. One hopes so as some of the improvements do look exciting.
Nigel