Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1?

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2012/10/17 14:36:07 (permalink)

Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1?

 I'm really and genuinely curious to see what, if any issues people have had with X1, and whether those issues or idiosyncrasies have actually been fixed in X2. For example, Cakewalk still bundles the "OK" V-Vocal, which has been known to produce chipmunks at times. There have also been issues with bit-bridging being too CPU intensive, or Exporting "Entire Mix" produces only a single clip? I ran into bugs/issues that I felt surely Cakewalk QC would have found and knocked out, reported some of them, but don't know if X2 really would fix such things. Any feedback on issues from X2 that would make me want to wait for the upgrade? I think Cakewalk users deserve good, creative feedback, without all the hype I've seen in the E-mail campaigns. Thanks! p.s. The Preview Post button on the forum site doesn't seem to work in FireFox.
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 14:41:07 (permalink)
    I would think the chipmonk effect is more with how you use V-Vocal than anything wrong with it. Granted it may not be the best vocal correction software in existence but perfectly usable nonetheless.

    Bit bridge I rarely use, I have Jbridge so can't comment.

    Export entire mix 'problem'. I think a stereo wave is exactly what I'd expect from that. There are other options you can set for all tracks/busses/stems/split mono etc.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 17:43:49 (permalink)

    In short, no it isn't..
    For me I have completely different issues in x2 than in x1 but the x2 issues grind to a halt what I do rather than irritants in x1d I have got used to..
    I loved it last week once i finaly stabilised it, but....Stuff I am seeing now ...

    Playback just stops randomly on some projects.
    Uninstall of 8.53 means no load of x2 projects. Not tried uninstalling x1. 
    Multiple instances of breverb, say 4-5 on different tracks means that some work and some do not. Reboot and all seems to work again, until you add another one.
    V vocal editor white screen often on longer clips (over 30 seconds). This makes it useless for me.
    Recording audio started looping with no loop point set randomly half way through the track.
    For me probably twice daily crashes completely random. I have kind of parked x2  for now. It is best described as final round of beta software for me.

    I would recommend an upgrade if you want to learn the elements of it to play around with while using your current main daw. I think it needs a serious system to run it and is still in its infancy really. No doubt that the editing is now way better that previous versions and some of the bundled software is great. Think a New BMW that only drives for 20 miles at a time kinda sums it up for me. I have turned virtually everything off on my pc since x2 to try and acheive some stability, but x1d I could run all sorts of stuff such as web, anti virus , Ethernet , wifi , porno, games etc etc etc.

    I am neither happy nor sad really having spent the last few weeks with x2. I loved it for a few days and the more I explore it, the more random halts I get. That is an honest appraisal of a true life experience with x2 for the last 2-3 weeks on a system that is way above spec and runs reaper, maschine, soft synths and x1d exp fine.

    I just don't buy into the whole, it must be your system, all new software has bugs nonsense that software companies palm people off with these days. You should not really buy anything until you are completely satisfied with it and remember your money back rights if the product doesn't do what it says it will do, providing you have the recommended spec or above.

    X2 is great when it is stable and for me, at the moment, it isn't really.
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 18:36:25 (permalink)
    @ Swiller.... I wana hear the type of music you are making with porno running along side X1d

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 18:48:50 (permalink)
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    @ Swiller.... I wana hear the type of music you are making with porno running along side X1d

    Wah-chicka- wawwww-wawwwwwwwwww!

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 18:53:24 (permalink)
    Norrie +1 Ha Ha

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 18:55:23 (permalink)
    I feel some Marvin Lyrics coming on

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 19:16:02 (permalink)
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    I'm really and genuinely curious to see what, if any issues people have had with X1, and whether those issues or idiosyncrasies have actually been fixed in X2.
    Well, I'm the perfect person to ask this question to. Did I say that right? Doh! :)

    Anyhoo ...

    X1 sucked Moose on my system. It brought it too it's knee's, made it cry, and **** slapped it. The Pro Channel randomly turned on and off on it's own, clips would go out of sync with the project, random crashes, and that's not even getting in to the things that flat out did not work when they originally released X1 such as, Snap To Grid, Audio Snap, and others that I'm forgetting. Honestly, how could you release DAW 2.0 with those two things flat out not working?

    So, anyway ... same computer, same audio card, same Windows 7, only difference is I'm running X2. No problems at all after they released the Quick Fix. Pro Channel doesn't do the on/off magic trick anymore, which was the biggest problem I ran in to. It made X1 unusable to be honest, so I got in to the habit of never using it, even after I bought some modules for it. So far X2 is working great on the same computer that X1 crunched up.

    On the flip side of that ... some of the very same people that said my system was the problem when running X1, are now experiencing the same problems I had, only with X2. Vengeance is mine!!

    To all of you I say, throw out that piece of crap you are using and go spend a couple of grand on a new computer ... sound familiar?
    For example, Cakewalk still bundles the "OK" V-Vocal, which has been known to produce chipmunks at times.
    V-vocal never did work right from day one. It's Uber-picky about what clips it will or will not work on. It's one of those 'use at own risk' programs. When it works ... it is as good, if not better than anything else out there.
    There have also been issues with bit-bridging being too CPU intensive
    Bitbridge sucks. There's no other way to put it. 99.9% of the crashes I've ever had were related to Bitbridge, so I stopped using it. And when I do have to use it, I freeze the track as soon as humanly possible. J-bridge isn't much better, and if it is, they should replace Bitbridge with it ... or at least update Bitbridge. I would rather have seen that than the LP-64 EQ worked on.
    ...., or Exporting "Entire Mix" produces only a single clip?
    This happened to me for the first time when I got X2. But ..... I was using a different sound card. I was using the embedded Realtek sound card on my motherboard. I had a lot of problems exporting with it, but not a single one with my M-Audio Fast Track Ultra. On the Realtek I would see weird things such as, there would be a message up in the console that said 'Rendering'. It would go through 3 or 4 cycles of that, then it would act like it was exporting the project finally, and poof ... I would get 634k .wav file after 7 minutes.

    So, judging by my experience with exporting 'Entire Mix', I have to say the problems I had were 100% related to the sound card. Just something to keep in mind.
    I ran into bugs/issues that I felt surely Cakewalk QC would have found and knocked out, reported some of them, but don't know if X2 really would fix such things. Any feedback on issues from X2 that would make me want to wait for the upgrade? I think Cakewalk users deserve good, creative feedback, without all the hype I've seen in the E-mail campaigns.
    It's never going to work 100%. None of them do. But I do have to say that so far X2 is working great on my system, but there are way more posts than mine that prove otherwise. Not trying to be wishy washy, but it is really weird how my system flat out could not run X1, but does X2, and the people who were running X1 can't seem to run X2 now. Very odd indeed.
    ... The Preview Post button on the forum site doesn't seem to work in FireFox.
    FireFox will work perfectly with the forums, but you have to use an older version. Version 3.6 (and all the point releases of it) work perfectly. I have it installed just for this forum, and use the latest version for everything else. There are some others that seem to work, but you can't zoom in, if you do, all your text formatting options disappear. So if you have trouble seeing the small print it may be a problem if you like to zoom when using Chrome. Some say they have gotten IE9 to work, but I can't. FF3.6 is the only thing I've been able to find that works 100% with this forum.

    Hope I helped and didn't make the decision harder for you.

    BTW ... I'm running an Intel i5 Quad Core with 4/GB RAM on a Gigabyte Mobo with a Fast Track Ultra USB sound card.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 19:21:02 (permalink)
    I found X1 to work well on my system.  Had the normal amount of sw bugs that most of todays sw has.  They were correctly relatively quickly and without much interuption.
     
    X2 went well as an upgrade.  I have not had any issues so far.  The performance is better than X1
     

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 19:44:40 (permalink)
    Such negativity with such low post counts...

    Seems like a pattern.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 19:56:31 (permalink)
    X2 runs as a standalone so you can keep X1 and compare. It may be better on your system, it may not, only one way to find out! :-) 

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 21:46:11 (permalink)
    ^^^^ What Bibs said.
     
    It doesn't take long to peruse the first two pages of this forum to see that X2 is running great for some and not so well for others.   And for yet another group, about the same as X1, which is where I happen to fall.  All of which should indicate that there's really only one way to find out for sure.
     
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 21:57:52 (permalink)
    I can just about repeat bubs experience word for word.

    X1 was a complete no start and immediate crash and lock up of system un til X1C update. then it ran reasionably well and completely stable since X1D.

    X2 has run flawlessly out of the box so to speak.

    I got 1 single ProChannel white out episode since installation which was on the day of prerelease for early adopters via download. I've installed the quickfix patch and haven't had any quirky behaviour or difficulaties as reported by so may.

    Again the same Laptop machine I had with X1 yet the experience is so different. As bub said "vengeance is mine". I complained so bitterly that one member here labeled me a pest. Yet many oif those same detractors are now having the same sort of issues with X2. Go figure.

    This is the first version of SONAR that has worked so flawlessly for me in over 15 years of Cakewalking.  And my laptop is loaded with MS Office, Adobe CS5.5 Master Suite, Vegas 12 Pro, Pro Tools 9, reaper, Studio One ProV2  etc you name it and it all runs fine.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 22:20:27 (permalink)
    If your concern is about stability you should always wait a service pack or two before you use the product in a professional environment, and besides you can run X1 and X2 side by side and find out for yourself. Upgrade now, then make your own decision on whether you should be using it in production now or later.
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/17 22:56:38 (permalink)
    I haven't had any real difficulties with either X1 or X2, but the problems you are reporting in your post mostly seem to be non-issues.  I used V-vocal recently to intentionally make a "chipmunk" type sound, but when I'm going for transparent, it's pretty transparent.  again it's not the best pitch processor around, but it's passable.  The issue with exporting entire mix only producing one file is er.. how it's supposed to work.  you need to select "tracks" and possibly "buses" if you are looking for stems.  the entire mix setting is there for a stereo file mixdown.  as far as the bridge using CPU, I can't reliably say since I still run the 32 bit version of sonar mostly, but I would expect any sort of bridge to add CPU cycles, just based on what it's doing.  is it noticeably worse than a third party bridge, or bridges in other hosts?
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 01:29:15 (permalink)
    Such negativity with such low post counts... Seems like a pattern.



    That's such BS.  We go to these forums to get feedback on whether we should invest more of our money or stick with "the devil we know."  The X1 rollout was such a negative experience for many users, I certainly understand and appreciate the honest negative reviews regardless of how active a user is on these boards.  I don't want to pay Roland to be a beta tester any more, and so far there hasn't been a big enough bribe, to get me to invest in another set of headaches.  


    Sure, this is a very complex piece of software that can do wonderful things, but this company is notorious for making us pay for upgrades only to find the upgrade has the same issues as the previous version.  Instead of offering upgrade incentives, offer a trial version.  This tells the consumer that you have confidence in your product.

     
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 06:19:12 (permalink)
    V vocal editor white screen often on longer clips (over 30 seconds). This makes it useless for me.


    Cakewalk have ALWAYS recommended that V-Vocal be applied only to shorter clips. Split 'em up and try again.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 07:02:13 (permalink)
    X1 worked well here too. Right out the box X2 is extremly stable and much better then X1 even though there are some bugs.
    Well in a period of 6 month X2 Will be very stable platform to work with...


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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 07:31:02 (permalink)
    I never did X1 as all the horror stories scared the crap out of me. I jumped from 8.5.3 to X2 and had 3 crashes in the beginning, after the 308 patch she has been rock solid for me.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 07:51:25 (permalink)
    I dove straight into X1 - I was lokking for a new DAW becaue I was really tired of Sonar... then Cakewalk made a new DAW and I went for it straight away. I had it up and running straight away on my system. It worked. Now, there were some niggles but it all worked really well. X1d was the best Sonar I've experienced. Actually, the most stable and reliable DAW I've ever had!

    So I dove straight into X2 as well and started working. There were some minor annoyances, most of them was fixed with the quick fix. There are some other things too. Not really bugs or showstoppers, but niggles. All in all, it's as stable, if not more stable, as X1d. There are a few random bugs but it's only a tiny bump in the road. It doesn't crash at least. I'm 99,8% happy and the final .2% is likely to be fixed really soon.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 10:37:25 (permalink)
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    V vocal editor white screen often on longer clips (over 30 seconds). This makes it useless for me.


    Cakewalk have ALWAYS recommended that V-Vocal be applied only to shorter clips. Split 'em up and try again.
    Plus One to this.
     
    I have always used it by cutting up the offending parts into pieces of several notes of maximum 5/6/7 seconds. . Never had a problem.
     
    X2 very steady out of the box, had one white screen which was "user error". X2 backed up the track and away I went a few minutes later.
     
    Each to his own problems on his/her own PC/Laptop.
     
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 12:00:46 (permalink)
    I have installed X2 a couple of days ago and opened the old x1 projects without problems working some hours without negative but only positive surprises at the moment. Whit X1d there was still a lot of bug and issues that i used to face almost during every session (crash, hang of the system, freeze and so on).
    I hope this positive feedback will continue, i think Sonar is absolutely the best DAW in term of workflows and overall functionalities but with some important insane instability. If the first impression is not wrong, it will be n. 1 without any dubt.
     
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 17:47:46 (permalink)
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    @ Swiller.... I wana hear the type of music you are making with porno running along side X1d

    Lol.


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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 17:55:43 (permalink)
    I have been getting a lot of graphical bugs, namely inactivity on volume meters, blank PC modules and artifacts from deleted clips. Also a noticeable increase in crashes, usually with an absence of Cakes crash reporter. I think I have noticed an improvement in the audio engine, but it is still far from gapless.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 17:57:25 (permalink)
    The only annoyance that I have found is that unlike 8.5 I can not have more than one plugin open and displayed at the same time... ERRRRR that bothers me.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 18:10:06 (permalink)
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    The only annoyance that I have found is that unlike 8.5 I can not have more than one plugin open and displayed at the same time... ERRRRR that bothers me.

    Not sure I follow you - do you have your plugins docked in the multidock? I can have any number of plugins on display at one time if they are not docked. 

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    ChuckC
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 18:37:33 (permalink)
    For instance... If I want to have one instance sonitus EQ on the kick and I have it up, then I want to pull up the one I have on the bass to make sure I am not pushing the same frequencies in them, when I open the 2nd one the 1st closes. This never happened in previous versions. I can't have 2 scopes up at the same time to watch while listening to a mix (say the analyst & voxengo span for instance).

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/18 18:46:24 (permalink)
    ChuckC


    For instance... If I want to have one instance sonitus EQ on the kick and I have it up, then I want to pull up the one I have on the bass to make sure I am not pushing the same frequencies in them, when I open the 2nd one the 1st closes. This never happened in previous versions. I can't have 2 scopes up at the same time to watch while listening to a mix (say the analyst & voxengo span for instance).


    There's definitely something not right there. Are they being bitbridged or docked? You should definitely be able to have as many VST UIs open at the same time as you want.
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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/19 07:37:58 (permalink)
    Ya got me bud! I did a standard install of 32 bit version. I haven't been working in 64 bit as I like a lot of my 32 bit plugs.

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    Re:Is X2 Really more stable and bug-free than X1? 2012/10/19 07:48:56 (permalink)
    I have been getting a lot of graphical bugs, namely inactivity on volume meters, blank PC modules and artifacts from deleted clips. Also a noticeable increase in crashes, usually with an absence of Cakes crash reporter.


    I have only installed X2 this week as I had been finishing a couple large projects - Initially not very stable and I definitely had the graphical bugs as mentioned above by perfect print.
    I just installed the quick fix last night and shall now run X2 to see if things are better. One hopes so as some of the improvements do look exciting.
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