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2012/12/28 16:58:57 (permalink)

It's OVER!

Haha, I know hardly anyone will care but a gotta take a parting vent. I tried and tried and tried and tried and everytime I think I've got a working copy of sonar, the bottom falls out. Sonar is feature rich, but it's never been anything I could use from point a to point b, not even once. Kudos to those that can and have had much success! But after many versions, countless wasted money and countless hours of talking with techs, forum members and such, it's time to permanently uninstall sonar and just forget about it. Live works. Reaper works. Studio one works now (with 2.5, it didn't prior) They are not necessarily as feature rich as sonar, but I don't have CONSTANT problems with notes not recording, loops not looping at the time you set and then of course there is the crashing. I'd like to say it's been fun, but it hasn't. Last night was the last straw. I hope each and everyone of you a fantastic new year and much luck in your endeavors!

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    Beepster
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:04:20 (permalink)
    Welp, best of luck to ya.

    Not sure why people need to do the ragequit thing though. It only ends up causing a circus.
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:13:29 (permalink)
    Circus is good. I totally agree with first post. I have the same experience. It never lasted through the project. It ALWAYS crashes for one reason or another. One excuse to it is that I have XP OS. However, the user experience is very poor. It looks nice and is very promising, but bulky and hard to operate. And- it crashes. Restarting my computer 3-4 times durring the session became normal. I am about to build new computer and- well- I paid for Sonar, I may as well install it again- another thing is- what other DAW do you go to? I switched to Sonar from Logic Platinum when Apple bought Emagic. I have read about some cool Cubase functionality, but Cubase graphics look like 6 years old would like them. I like Sonar to be fixed, but how many generations and PAID upgrades should pass before it happens? Few years from now, they will say that it does not work because of my Windows 8 or 9 or 10, my sound card conflict, my unsupported plugins and the music I am playing to blame, but Sonar itself is perfect.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:21:35 (permalink)
    The trick is if your system no longer meets the system requirements of the new versions to stop upgrading or update your OS/hardware. Otherwise you have to build a new system. Just like with video games. I can't expect to run the latest Halo or whatever the kiddies are playing these days on my ancient P3.

    You can get extra life out of a system through optimization and what not though. Having an unsupported OS will however generally cause problems. I think some people were getting X1 to work with XP but X2... no way. 

    That's the commercial tech market for ya. They gotta make their cash somehow.
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:22:40 (permalink)
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    Circus is good. I totally agree. I have the same experience. It never lasted trough the project. It ALWAYS crashes for one reason or another. One excuse to it is that I have XP OS. However, the used experience is very poor. It looks nice and is very promising but bulky and hard to operate. And- it crashes. Restarting my computer 3-4 times durring the session became normal. I am about to build new computer and- well- I paid for Sonar, I may as well install it again- another thing is- what do you go to? I have read some cool Cubase functionality, but Cubase graphics look like 6 years old would like them. I like Sonar to be fixed, but how many generations and PAID upgrades should pass before it happens? Few years from now, they will say that it does not work because of my Windows 8 or 9 or 10, my sound card conflict, my unsupported plugins and the music I am playing to blame, but Sonar itself is perfect.

     
    Sonar does not need fixing so that you don't have to restart 4 times a session.
     
    If Sonar was to blame, I would be having the same experience.
     
    I am not.  It is rock solid.  Works great.
     
    It is more likely to be something hardware or pebkac related.
     
    If Sonar was as bad as you say, then why do SO MANY people find it works flawlessly.  I am not a fanboy, but just find statements like yours laughable.  By the way, I believe the circus Beep was reffering to was not people agreeing with the OP.  Quite the opposite.
     
    To the OP - hope things work out okay for you.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:32:56 (permalink)
    I am glad it works for you and I would like to hear that it works over and over again- may be my Sonar will start working as well by the power of my belief. It is great that Win 7 are supported. So far. What if next upgrade would be released for Win 8 only? You going to upgrade? It is not about the OS. The SP 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and X1 were doing the same thing for me and many other people.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:36:57 (permalink)
    In the unlikely event that the next release is only supported on Win8, I will continue to use my current version and evaluate my need to upgrade. Upgrading hardware and software are not mandatory.
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:45:48 (permalink)
    True, IF the current version is working. All Sonar versions had some kind of issues and drama, so I had to keep upgrading them hoping, it will get stable, but it never did.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:48:33 (permalink)
    The SP 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and X1



    In all seriousness, if you had major problems running every single version of Sonar (from v4 to X1), then I'd say the issue is very likely *not* Sonar.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:53:49 (permalink)
    You mean- it is me? lol. I will install it again soon as I get new system and when it crashes again, and I know it will, because it never fails, I will know that it is not me, sound cards, MIDI or type of music. It is IT.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:54:10 (permalink)
    Amen Jim!!!

    Sad to see one driven to this point.  

    I believe if it was made and works on almost all computers out there, there is a way to fix problems I might run into on mine-which is about the same specs as the OP


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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:56:02 (permalink)
    vladasyn


    You mean- it is me? lol. I will install it again soon as I get new system and when it crashes again, and I know it will, because it never fails, I will know that it is not me, sound cards, MIDI or type of music. It is IT.


    Learn to use your gear/read instructions/put some bleeping effort into things.

    Alternatively... quit trolling.
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:58:31 (permalink)
    I have owned every version of SONAR Producer and rarely had it crash. Some of the version you mentioned never crashed on me.
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 17:58:41 (permalink)
    vladasyn


    You mean- it is me? lol. I will install it again soon as I get new system and when it crashes again, and I know it will, because it never fails, I will know that it is not me, sound cards, MIDI or type of music. It is IT.

    So, how have you uninstalled Sonar in the past? What were/are your exact steps?

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:04:22 (permalink)
    vladasyn


    You mean- it is me? lol. I will install it again soon as I get new system and when it crashes again, and I know it will, because it never fails, I will know that it is not me, sound cards, MIDI or type of music. It is IT.

    What exactly is your system and specs and which version of Sonar are you having probs with?


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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:04:34 (permalink)
    I am sorryfor taking over the thread- I am not the original poster. I just felt- I could relate and myself was looking in to Apple products.

    I usually would install Son 5 while S4 still installed. I think, I was using SP5 when 7 came. I installed 7, kept 5 and uninstalled 4 via "Add/Remove Program". I installed X1 and kept 8, when 2X was released, I uninstalled 8, kept X1 and installed 2x.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:07:17 (permalink)
    +1 on Sonar working great here.   Best of luck.   I had issues like this 12 years ago before Sonar days but seem to have a rock solid setup...BTW ...www.studiocat.com....they make amazing machines.   Just saying.


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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:07:27 (permalink)
    Well there's your problem straight away.

    You've never edited the registry to remove the keys necessary for a successful reinstall.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:08:14 (permalink)
    vladasyn


    I am sorryfor taking over the thread- I am not the original poster. I just felt- I could relate and myself was looking in to Apple products.


    I dont think the OP will mind,  Sounds like he is done with everything which I would assume includes the forum.  I hate to see people give up but ya cant stop them from it if thats whats on their mind  ;)



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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:10:42 (permalink)


    I usually would install Son 5 while S4 still installed. I think, I was using SP5 when 7 came. I installed 7, kept 5 and uninstalled 4 via "Add/Remove Program". I installed X1 and kept 8, when 2X was released, I uninstalled 8, kept X1 and installed 2x.

    As far as your system and probs, start another thread to help the others out with specs in the signature.


    Your a veteran here (2005) so I believe you will get plenty of help either way


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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:16:36 (permalink)
    @ vladasynI'm sorry if my first post was a little cross, that's not like me.
     
    I think that I was trying to make the point that Sonar works okay for many people (including me), on many hardware configurations, and OS.  If it is not working for you, then it is probably fixable, because, if it was Sonar's fault, we would all be having problems.
     
    If you could give some more details, such as audio interface, buffer settings, system specs  etc., someone on here might be able to help you.
     
    There is no reason why you should be experiencing these issues with Sonar.  If you want help to fix it, then go into a little more detail.
     
    If you don't want help, then more fool you.
     
    As for Sonar only supporting newer OS, I'm with Scook.  If X2 needed Windows 8, I would have stayed on X1 (which was as stable as a rock), or investigated Windows 8 if I really needed some feature of X2.
     
    I loved my Roland MC 500, and could have continued using it if I'd wanted.  I used many Amiga Programs (including a great DTP package) that I had to abandon.  I could have stayed on Amiga, but felt the benefits of moving on outweighed the negatives.  That is the nature of Hitech.
     

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:17:30 (permalink)
    Jeezz-I sure am heart broken-

     
     
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:19:07 (permalink)
    vladasyn - don't worry about taking over the thread. The OP is gone. These threads always move away from the drama quickly. Hopefully you can benefit from the OP flameout.
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:21:54 (permalink)
    It really doesn't matter what gear or computer you have, Sonar should NEVER crash, this is bad programming. A program should be able to take whatever you throw at it, and keep going. If a plugin etc, is messing up, Sonar needs to work around it. This is basic programming 101, dealing with exceptions. Crashing isn't the answer. Yes this is more difficult in practice than in theory but it doesn't really matter. Before all the bells and whistles, the program should be rock solid.


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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:33:42 (permalink)
    I would think that what happens in practice is way more important than what should happen in theory. We we could have a good discussion about what should happen but that is not going to solve the problem at hand.
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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 18:53:33 (permalink)
    vladasyn


    I am sorryfor taking over the thread- I am not the original poster. I just felt- I could relate and myself was looking in to Apple products.

    I usually would install Son 5 while S4 still installed. I think, I was using SP5 when 7 came. I installed 7, kept 5 and uninstalled 4 via "Add/Remove Program". I installed X1 and kept 8, when 2X was released, I uninstalled 8, kept X1 and installed 2x.
    Well, the original poster was just venting and leaving, so don't worry too much about hijacking the thread.

    If you could provide specific details on the issues you are having, along with your system specs, perhaps the forum folks can help you resolve some of them.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 19:03:05 (permalink)
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    It really doesn't matter what gear or computer you have, Sonar should NEVER crash, this is bad programming. A program should be able to take whatever you throw at it, and keep going. If a plugin etc, is messing up, Sonar needs to work around it. This is basic programming 101, dealing with exceptions. Crashing isn't the answer. Yes this is more difficult in practice than in theory but it doesn't really matter. Before all the bells and whistles, the program should be rock solid.

    So, if you put sugar into your gas tank, your car should purr like a kitten?  Should souffles stay fluffy with the window open in a construction zone?


    So, it is Sonar's fault if for some inexplicable reason I cannot get it to install in 64-bit mode on a computer with 32-bit Windows running?

    Would it be Microsoft's fault that my Xbox 360 can't read a disc that my dog ate - then humped (not sure which order)?

    Would it be the auto manufacturer's fault that a hard-left turn into oncoming traffic might result in injury?

    Please stick to helping to solve the problems at hand in the post - take up your position on how life should work in its own thread, so people can ignore it without clouding up another poster's issues.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 19:08:16 (permalink)
    Ill have to agree with Kroneborge. Cakewalk need seriously try to get a solid DAW, rather than adding loads of features.

    Major upgrade / changes is more likely gonna cause problems and a buggy unstable program. 

    It is better to make simple / stable DAW, then add one feature at a time and see if that work.
    Then it is easier to to fix it when it don't work quite well.

    I say 1 step at a time.


    that said, i still gonna use sonar for a while yet !
    but i have seriously considered changing DAW as well. 

    Why i started with sonar, was cause it was simple to use, easy to understand
    and easy to set up and run.

    Now it start to be just a little difficult to get the full overview of it.
    but that's just my opinion.

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 19:15:38 (permalink)
    No one is forcing you to use Sonar.

    I'm still using 8.5.3 every day without any problems, so it's really up to you :)

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    Re:It's OVER! 2012/12/28 19:29:50 (permalink)
    The Correct Way To Uninstall Sonar is as follows:

    To completely un-install SONAR X2 Producer from your computer. You will want to manually remove the SONAR installation files by deleting the following directories. Do this by doing the following:

    1) Open the Run Prompt by holding down the Windows Key on your computer and pressing "R"
    2) In the Run prompt type in the following and press [OK]: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\
    3) Delete the "SONAR X2 Producer" folder contained within

    4) Open the Run Prompt by holding down the Windows Key on your computer and pressing "R"
    5) In the Run prompt type in the following and press [OK]: %appdata%\Cakewalk
    6) Delete the "SONAR X2 Producer" folder contained within

    7) Open the Run Prompt by holding down the Windows Key on your computer and pressing "R"
    8) In the Run prompt type in the following and press [OK]: %allusersprofile%\Cakewalk
    9) Delete the "SONAR X2 Producer" folder contained within

    Next you will want to delete your SONAR related registry keys by doing the following:

    10) Open the Run Prompt by holding down the Windows Key on your computer and pressing "R"
    11) In the Run prompt type in the following and press [OK]: regedit
    12) Click [OK] will launch the Registry Editor. If prompted with a message "Do you want to allow the following program to make changes...", click [Yes].

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    IMPORTANT: When you access the Registry Editor, create a backup by going to File > Export. In the Export menu, make sure you have "All" selected and that the "Save As Type" is set to "Registration Files (*.reg).

    It is very important to create a backup of your registry because if you accidentally delete a registry key there is no undo function. You can, however, double-click on the Registry backup you made above to re-import your registry keys if you make any mistakes. You MUST re-import your backup (if needed) before restarting your computer.
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    13) Now delete the following Registry keys:

    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2


    IMPORTANT: You will want to delete the "X2" folder at the end of these strings of keys. Do this by right-clicking on the ""X2" folder and selecting "Delete". Only do this for the "X2" folders in the locations above. If you do not see these ""X2" folders, proceed to the next step.

    *Please note that this will remove any effects presets and key bindings you may have made in Cakewalk. You can back these up separately if you like from SONAR's Plug-in Manager and Color and Key Bindings menus.

    At this point, you will want to re-install the product. We recommend temporarily disabling your startup programs by doing the following:

    14) Open the 'Run' command again and type in the following: msconfig
    15) Click [OK] and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens.
    16) Uncheck all items listed, click [OK], then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time.
    17) Reinstall SONAR X2

        Windows 7 64bit; 16gigs ram; AMD quad-core; Roland Quadcapture interface; Sonar X2 Producer; Alesis MK2 monitors active; Cakewalk A-300 Pro Midi Controller Keyboard; 
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