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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/18 00:08:02
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Fleer
Would there be any modeling involved as well?
Based on my short time with Keyscape so far, I'd say no. Samples and synthesized tones, just like Omnisphere and Trillian. Regards, Dan
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/18 00:15:51
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/18 20:21:05
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Keyscape delivered. New SSD drive delivered. Will be installing and evaluating tomorrow...Tuesday latest. Anticipation is killing me.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/19 00:28:21
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Good luck in the crossing, Yoropal. Interested in your review . . .
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/19 14:00:30
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OK...here's a question for anyone who has got Keyscape and installed it. I was planning on installing mine to an external SSD drive which is just a bit bigger than Keyscape requires. However, I already have both Omnisphere and Trilian on an internal Libraries drive...which is full. It seems that Spectrasonics is trying to force you to have all three programs/libraries installed on the same drive. This not only defeats the purpose of putting Keyscapes on the faster SSD but, seemingly, makes it impossible to do. Does anyone know if there is any way regarding the STEAM folder to have Omni/Trilian on one drive and Keyscapes on another??
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dcumpian
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/19 15:10:41
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OK...here's a question for anyone who has got Keyscape and installed it. I was planning on installing mine to an external SSD drive which is just a bit bigger than Keyscape requires. However, I already have both Omnisphere and Trilian on an internal Libraries drive...which is full. It seems that Spectrasonics is trying to force you to have all three programs/libraries installed on the same drive. This not only defeats the purpose of putting Keyscapes on the faster SSD but, seemingly, makes it impossible to do. Does anyone know if there is any way regarding the STEAM folder to have Omni/Trilian on one drive and Keyscapes on another??
There is not, according to Spectrasonics. You can, however, move your STEAM folder. Regards, Dan
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/19 17:14:44
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yorolpal
OK...here's a question for anyone who has got Keyscape and installed it. I was planning on installing mine to an external SSD drive which is just a bit bigger than Keyscape requires. However, I already have both Omnisphere and Trilian on an internal Libraries drive...which is full. It seems that Spectrasonics is trying to force you to have all three programs/libraries installed on the same drive. This not only defeats the purpose of putting Keyscapes on the faster SSD but, seemingly, makes it impossible to do. Does anyone know if there is any way regarding the STEAM folder to have Omni/Trilian on one drive and Keyscapes on another??
OK, so this is a theory but might work for you. I have my STEAM folder on a separate drive from the actual plugins and an "ALIAS" or STEAM folder shortcut points the plugins to the folder. I am wondering if you create your Keyscape STEAM folder on your SSD drive and point the alias for Keyscape to that one without interfering with your other STEAM folder. Just a thought,
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/19 21:50:51
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Won't work. The entire STEAM folder must be in the same place. There is a support FAQ on Spectrasonics site that expliciy spells this out for Keyscape users that already have Omnisphere or Trillian. You can move the entire folder, alias it with a shortcut, and install Keyscape to the new location.
By by the way, you must have a Spectrasonics account and be logged in to see the Keyscape install FAQ, which is kind of weird.
Regards,
Dan
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/19 21:59:18
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Welp...I guess I'll have to see if Amazon will let me exchange for a bigger drive. Dern.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/21 10:23:04
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OK...Exchanged my SSD for a bigger one at Amazon...no probs. It and a set of new memory sticks for the DAW (which will double my memory to 24gigs) should be here late tomorrow and, hopefully, I'll have everything...Ominshpere, Trilian and Keyscape...installed on the new drive and up and running on Friday. Fingers crossed.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/23 17:01:48
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Welp...got new drive installed and doubled my memory. And got Omni/Trilian and Keyscape installed on the new SSD drive...BUT...so far Keyscape is totally unusable. It takes forver...and I mean forever...to get a patch to load up and then, if I try and select another patch, Keyscape just shuts down altogether and goes silent. Perhaps it's the new drive...but then Omnishpere and Trilian are working fast and smooth and better than ever. Is any one else having troubles with Keyscape??
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/23 17:42:02
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Even using the machine Jim R. built for me with multiple internal ssd sample drives Keyscape is one Slow loading mofo. It is even worse if you load a 'Duo' patch. It performs fine if it is the only vsti in the project but as you start adding other plugs the latency becomes unusable for me running an RME FF @128 samples. It sounds great but is a resource hog to the point of killing its usefulness for me. I hope they get this resolved somehow as I'm currently stuck with about a grand and two days of work to get this on the laptop and the desk. Not a real happy camper here with the entire experience including the elusive launch/release... If I was using the machine to synthesize the sounds I could understand but I am just using the standard patches to play their sound sources. (samples) I don't understand why it would slam a new, fast, multicore machine just to play processed samples... Perhaps I had set my expectations too high. I have not experienced it shutting down while trying to load a new patch.
post edited by rtucker55 - 2016/09/23 18:05:15
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/23 17:50:11
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Now if only I could buy it from BS and not have to deal with Long & McQuade's awful prices on everything. :(
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/23 20:22:13
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yorolpal
Welp...got new drive installed and doubled my memory. And got Omni/Trilian and Keyscape installed on the new SSD drive...BUT...so far Keyscape is totally unusable. It takes forver...and I mean forever...to get a patch to load up and then, if I try and select another patch, Keyscape just shuts down altogether and goes silent. Perhaps it's the new drive...but then Omnishpere and Trilian are working fast and smooth and better than ever. Is any one else having troubles with Keyscape??
I'm not seeing that. Slow loads, yes, but I can switch patches in the middle of loading without problems. I haven't had Keyscape crash at all. Nor have I had Omni crash loading Keyscape patches. I have had issues with certain Omni 2 patches causing "crackling", but loading a separate instance with that particular patch usually solves it. Spectrasonics recently released an update for Omni 2 that seems to have helped slow loading in Omni, so I would hope that eventually they will address this in Keyscape. I, for one, am loving Keyscape, but I would be pissed too if it wasn't working for me. Regards, Dan
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/23 23:13:18
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Have got a support email in to Spectrasonics. Hope there is a sensible workaround. This is totally unacceptable. My DAW was also built by Jim and is still a great machine. With the new addition of memory and the SSD drive should be running Keyscape fine. As I said, Omni and Trilian are running better than ever on the new drive...but Keyscape, for all its great sounds, is a complete no go.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/23 23:36:49
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I hope they get back to you with a work around or a solution. Would seriously like to hear what they have to say.
Dan mentioned something, above, about loading Keyscape patches/sounds in Omni2 and I have not tried that yet. I will give that a try tomorrow and see if I experience any difference from using the Omni2 vsti with the Keyscape sounds/patches vs. the Keyscape vsti. A long shot is better than no shot...
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/23 23:40:57
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yorolpal
Have got a support email in to Spectrasonics. Hope there is a sensible workaround. This is totally unacceptable. My DAW was also built by Jim and is still a great machine. With the new addition of memory and the SSD drive should be running Keyscape fine. As I said, Omni and Trilian are running better than ever on the new drive...but Keyscape, for all its great sounds, is a complete no go.
I will say that you have changed a lot on your machine all at once. You might see if removing the new RAM makes a difference. Regards, Dan
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/24 10:42:41
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They've requested some further info about my setup and the install, which I'll forward to them today. But based on the details I've already sent they say Keyscape should be rockin on my DAW. I'm sure we'll find out where the problem is and fix it. I hope.
I'm going to do some further sleuthing this weekend.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/24 10:58:58
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2016/09/24 11:25:08
Feeling for you 'olpal. Sure hope this gets solved by the time I getz my 'Cape  Edith: Anyone compared the C7 to the Cinematic Studio Series piano? http://www.cinematicstudioseries.com/piano.html
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/24 13:19:03
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Here are some specifics on how Keyscape performs on my system.
I have an i7-3770 with 16GB RAM. C: is an Samsung 850, but I had to load the STEAM folder on D:, which is a 2TB 7200RPM Toshiba drive. (Spectrasonics recommends putting it on an SSD.) In Keyscape, I have Mode=Streamed (the default) and Pre-Load Memory Size=50,000 samples, which is about 1/3 from the bottom of the range (also the default). I've left Stream Brake (which "balances system resources between streaming and other operations") at the default 0.16 secs.
The first Yamaha C7 model takes 44-56 secs to load. With Thinning turned on, that's 17-40 secs.
The first Rhodes takes 41 model secs to load. With Thinning on, that's 28 secs.
Notes:
In each case during loading, the progress bar changes from "Please Wait" to "Preview Ready" in 1-3 seconds. I can start playing at that point.
CPU usage is low -- lower than most of my soft synths.
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rtucker55
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/24 16:29:28
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45 seconds is what I'm seeing here to load the C7 from an internal 2TB samsung 850 on the laptop. Running default settings also. That drive only has about 27% free space so that may be slowing things down a little?
I did get a chance to play with Keyscape in Omni2 and it is Very Cool blending in some Adagio strings with the C7. Same loading time for keyscape in Omni2. The thing that surprised me was that I had to Authorize the keyscape sounds again for use with Omni2.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/24 19:07:19
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Solved my problem by semi-accident. I spent the afternoon just trying all kinds of things to see if they made any difference. Wasn't having any luck until I went in to the device manager and enabled write caching on the SSD drive. Boom!! Everything running hot straight and phenomenal! Load times are not bad at all and all glitching and crashing are gone. Plus, as I figured, everything sounds gorgeous. I've finally got an "E" model Rhodes!! One tip I can provide after playing the different instruments all afternoon is that setting up your particular controller for Keyscape makes a world of difference...as does tweaking the settings to your liking. I can't play the acoustic without having the "t" setting active in the noise section. Plus adjusting the number of notes allowed to the highest number your particular DAW will handle comfortably is key too. Like they say at Micky D's...I'm lovin it!
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/24 19:13:22
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Good deal! Happy to hear everything is working for you now.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/24 21:33:59
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Thanks, ol pal...I appreciate it:-)
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/26 19:57:58
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Sounds very promising. If I get any money, I will probably buy this....
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/29 10:24:57
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JUST AN FYI
taken from the Keyboard Central Forum
Heads up:
To create your own splits and layers, or modify anything beyond the limited effects and parameters burned into each patch, Keyscape requires Omnisphere 2.
This isn't mentioned on the product page at Spectrasonics' site - only in the FAQs.
The product page does mention Omnisphere integration, but doesn't say it's required for Keyscape editing. At least for me, this is a serious limitation and should be made clear on the product page.
I have Trilian, Omnisphere 1, and Stylus RMX, and none of them depends on another plugin for editing. So I never thought to check the FAQs.
I didn't discover this till after installing Keyscape, so it felt like a "gotcha". Not cool, Spectrasonics.
Since Omnisphere 1 is more than adequate for my needs, I have no need to upgrade to v2; so even the $199 VIP upgrade is steep just to be able to edit Keyscape.
If I had known this, I would have passed on Keyscape.
YMMV, of course.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/30 07:12:02
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Ham N Egz
JUST AN FYI
taken from the Keyboard Central Forum
Heads up:
To create your own splits and layers, or modify anything beyond the limited effects and parameters burned into each patch, Keyscape requires Omnisphere 2.
This isn't mentioned on the product page at Spectrasonics' site - only in the FAQs.
The product page does mention Omnisphere integration, but doesn't say it's required for Keyscape editing. At least for me, this is a serious limitation and should be made clear on the product page.
I have Trilian, Omnisphere 1, and Stylus RMX, and none of them depends on another plugin for editing. So I never thought to check the FAQs.
I didn't discover this till after installing Keyscape, so it felt like a "gotcha". Not cool, Spectrasonics.
Since Omnisphere 1 is more than adequate for my needs, I have no need to upgrade to v2; so even the $199 VIP upgrade is steep just to be able to edit Keyscape.
If I had known this, I would have passed on Keyscape.
YMMV, of course.
Wow. That is definitely a new low. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/30 14:15:53
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I'm not sure how much of a "low" it is. There are plenty of tweaking options inside of Keyscape as it is. I look at the added ability to use it Omni2 as bonus. Half full/half empty. Pick em.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/09/30 17:16:58
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I am sure you can actually tweak those sounds a little effects wise more than enough and sometimes you might have no effects and just the raw sound, focusing more on the musical performance itself which is more of what should be happening anyway.
How many instances of Keyscape do you think could run at once. If you cannot create a layer without Ominsphere 2, could you setup multiple instances of Keyscape and build a layer that way. Not worrying about the load times for each layer, would there be enough power to run them all at once with low latency.
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Re: Keyscape has been Released!
2016/10/01 10:40:05
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/10/01 11:16:29
Our good friend Soundwise has PM'd me regarding my use of the word PAL. While there is a seldom used definition meaning to speak to another man in an annoyed way...and I mean seldom. Pal means friend. Has done and will always do. Especially to me. If I'm annoyed with someone or just plain don't like em I will refer to them as "ol stick". Hope that settles that Soundwise, ol pal:-)
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