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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/17 10:22:55
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/09/17 11:14:44
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There's a petition on the NI forum to restore key colors. Hopefully, the blowback will convince them to make the new scheme optional.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/17 10:33:15
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S.L.I.P.
Yes, this is truly a dumb move. It looks like I won't be upgrading until I'm forced to because a new library that I want needs the new version number.
I believe we have found the correct answer! I consider the NI Service Center the worst of all the registration/authorization go'rounds I have ever dealt with, from all the companies out there. What is the "new content" that makes this worthwhile? Does Kontakt have a new factory library or something? sorry to be Debbie Downer. -Tom
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/17 12:08:26
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/09/17 13:31:12
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I get it....and it SUCKS....
I want to see the KEYS with colors...not little blurbs above the keys...
Yes, this is truly a dumb move. It looks like I won't be upgrading until I'm forced to because a new library that I want needs the new version number.
Same here!
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/17 13:15:17
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☄ Helpfulby SF_Green 2016/09/17 15:13:25
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S.L.I.P.
Yes, this is truly a dumb move. It looks like I won't be upgrading until I'm forced to because a new library that I want needs the new version number.
I believe we have found the correct answer!
I consider the NI Service Center the worst of all the registration/authorization go'rounds I have ever dealt with, from all the companies out there. What is the "new content" that makes this worthwhile? Does Kontakt have a new factory library or something?
sorry to be Debbie Downer.
-Tom
I always update. Here's why... If you don't stay current, you get "stuck in a rut", and by that I mean that if you are trying to "hold on" to the old then you're not learning and adapting to an ever changing scenario, and will, eventually , HAVE TO make the change, AND, because of being "behind", NOW that learning curve has become much steeper, as you now have to play catchup "all at once" rather then "rolling with the changes bit by bit". Yes, you are taking a "risk", but that also contributes to the "learning and adapting process" until it gets sorted... I'd rather do a "little bit" here and there, then a WHOLE LOT later... That's just my philosophy....YMMV
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/17 14:16:44
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/09/17 14:51:04
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I'd rather do a "little bit" here and there, then a WHOLE LOT later...
That's just my philosophy....YMMV
I tend to agree with that, it's also a habit picked up from my day job (before I retired). A lot of software we used was only supported on the current version so keeping up to date was important.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/18 04:37:19
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I always update. Here's why... I'm an early adopter for most new applications and versions of things. The reason being that new versions can bring new technology and features that make it more cutting edge and give an advantage to someone who takes the risk of using it from the start. This is the first time in a long time I've rolled back on an application. NI basically took all the input they've been given over the years and did the exact opposite. Disappointing.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/18 05:54:48
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I would prefer the old key colouring and possibly would have preferred to keep the quickload icon as it was. But all in all I think the faster loading is worth the drawbacks. On my machine there's a huge difference for some libraries, no idea how they did that. I did vote on the NI forum poll to get old key colouring back though.
On the updating thing. I tend to wait for people more brave or in need of an update to find any errors, so I guess I normally have a short latency. For instance I haven't been on any of the Sonar early releases. But I stay more or less up to date if there's not any particular reason to stay away.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/18 05:56:02
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/09/18 06:42:29
Well so far not one post here or on the petition thread on support of the new key colouring. Not a single accusation of Ludditeism, that says lot.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/18 10:50:28
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CCLarry, you and others must be users of Kontakt far above my rudimentary level. I guess if you are editing an instrument's script or creating a new instrument, then maybe the upgrade gives you power users more exciting functionality.
I really just open up a library and off we go. For me Kontakt is a glorified VST wrapper. So that gives me little reason to upgrade until I need to because I see a new cool library that needs it. I'm pretty limited that way I'm afraid.
But didn't they say there was new factory library content? Isn't there a new bouzouki-gamelan hybrid or something?
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/18 11:22:55
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5.6 obviously has issues as well as changes. You can browse the NI Kontakt forums to see some of them and NI seems to be keeping quiet about them.
They apparently added some cool stuff to this update but they've taken some stuff away that people relied on. The key switch color change and the removal of the sample purge button is enough to make me wait.
At my age, I don't get in a hurry to install the latest and greatest any more, especially if people are reporting issues and the devs are not responding. Hopefully, this will get an update that will be an acceptable compromise to please all of us.
I can't speculate on why they removed the sample Purge button but I have this feeling the removal of the key switch color placement was by plan for future use. (Anyone interested in Piano lessons by NI?, the notes light up on the virtual keyboard to make even a Beginner sound like a Pro overnight... marketing)
I'll wait.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/18 11:48:19
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2016/09/18 12:02:26
The Kontakt upgrade mill is the biggest scam going. You can't buy old versions, so every new library developer who jumps in does so at the current version, and any products he creates can only run on the version he used to create them. It doesn't mean he actually needed any of the features introduced at the current version. Most Kontakt libraries available today would have been happy running under Kontakt 2, had they been created with that version.
NI helps to enforce obsolescence by making sure their own products are not backward-compatible, even libraries meant for earlier versions. They've gone as far as releasing fixes to their own libraries - individual wave files! - that were incompatible with the previous version of Kontakt. Even Microsoft isn't that arrogant.
For myself, I am a foot-dragger when it comes to updating software. I just gave up SONAR 8.5 this month. I stayed on XP until I got a library that was too big for it. Although I had jumped on K3 right away (for the choirs) I stayed on that version until a must-have library came along that required K4. I stayed on K4 until a must-have library came along that required K5. I will do the same when K6 comes along.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/18 11:53:45
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emeraldsoul
But didn't they say there was new factory library content? Isn't there a new bouzouki-gamelan hybrid or something?
:)
thanks,
-Tom
Yes, there were updates to both Factory Selection and one of the others...can't remember which...
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/18 14:23:53
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I am downloading the updates now using Service Center. I have not used Komplete lately and there are 16 updates besides drivers and other stuff at the bottom.
I'm going to try and be sure my paths are correct and I'll try to install one thing at a time. Do you think it matters what order I install updates. and is using SC for this what you did? It has worked fine in the past. Fingers crossed.
I've been reading the carping upstairs about the latest Platinum update and was starting to think I should wait... then I checked, I've been using it for several weeks with no problems (well no more problems than the usual "I don't know what I'm doing problems").
Hopefully this will all go well, it should.
I'm going to check everything else for updates tomorrow. I just updated EZD2 with the new TT updater, it works well, I like it!
I'll read through this thread again. Thanks. Julien
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/19 13:48:12
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I used Service Center, downloaded everything at one time, installed one at a time. Everything seems just fine so far but I have not yet checked to see if Kontact can find itself, lol. I'm sure it will be fine. Of course I had to delete my DAW and reinstall it on the XLN site so it would authorize AD2 again, they need to fix this.
Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/19 15:20:10
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Just one in support of the new keyboard colouring over on the NI forum. But he dose not say why.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/19 16:46:13
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Cant see anyupgrades to the library - is this a separate download or is it a part of the K5 update?
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/19 17:10:13
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Cant see anyupgrades to the library - is this a separate download or is it a part of the K5 update?
Are you using the Service Center or the newer Native Access system? Service Center only showed one update, Native Access showed 3.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/19 17:24:11
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Looks like a few other things have changed. I was just using Vintage Organs and the keyswitches don't show up on the virtual keyboard. They just have the "out of range" black colouring. I will investigate tomorrow.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/19 18:43:25
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Glyn Barnes
Looks like a few other things have changed. I was just using Vintage Organs and the keyswitches don't show up on the virtual keyboard. They just have the "out of range" black colouring. I will investigate tomorrow.
That's what all the above posts are about Glyn, They have taken the Key Colors away and placed "Small blurbs" in color above the keys... None of us are too happy about it...
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/19 19:52:27
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/09/19 22:42:57
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I'd rather do a "little bit" here and there, then a WHOLE LOT later...
That's just my philosophy....YMMV
I tend to agree with that, it's also a habit picked up from my day job (before I retired). A lot of software we used was only supported on the current version so keeping up to date was important.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/19 20:00:28
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I have not done any research yet but, I wonder if someone could keep their existing 5.5.3 setup and existing 3rd party libs as is and if some 3rd party lib eventually comes out that requires 5.6 they could just install the 5.6 player and it wouldn't screw with anything else?
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/20 03:52:47
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Looks like a few other things have changed. I was just using Vintage Organs and the keyswitches don't show up on the virtual keyboard. They just have the "out of range" black colouring. I will investigate tomorrow.
That's what all the above posts are about Glyn,
They have taken the Key Colors away and placed "Small blurbs" in color above the keys...
None of us are too happy about it...
No, this is different. The blobs are there for the regular keys but their is no indication of the keyswitches in any shape or form, I have seen somewhere that the Scarbee basses are also effected. Evil Dragon knows why, but I need to re-read his post.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/20 07:02:04
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Looks like a few other things have changed. I was just using Vintage Organs and the keyswitches don't show up on the virtual keyboard. They just have the "out of range" black colouring. I will investigate tomorrow.
That's what all the above posts are about Glyn,
They have taken the Key Colors away and placed "Small blurbs" in color above the keys...
None of us are too happy about it...
No, this is different. The blobs are there for the regular keys but their is no indication of the keyswitches in any shape or form, I have seen somewhere that the Scarbee basses are also effected. Evil Dragon knows why, but I need to re-read his post.
On mine the Key Switches have Red indicators above the keys...so not quite sure what you are referring to...
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/20 07:12:25
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Looks like a few other things have changed. I was just using Vintage Organs and the keyswitches don't show up on the virtual keyboard. They just have the "out of range" black colouring. I will investigate tomorrow.
That's what all the above posts are about Glyn,
They have taken the Key Colors away and placed "Small blurbs" in color above the keys...
None of us are too happy about it...
No, this is different. The blobs are there for the regular keys but their is no indication of the keyswitches in any shape or form, I have seen somewhere that the Scarbee basses are also effected. Evil Dragon knows why, but I need to re-read his post.
On mine the Key Switches have Red indicators above the keys...so not quite sure what you are referring to...
Its an odd one. I have just tried it again, in Stand Alone, in Komplete Kontrol and in Sonar. The factory presets I tested seem to be fine, my own NKI's have the problem. I dont have much time to do more at the moment but I am hoping sesaving the custom NKI's in 5.6 will resolve the issue.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/21 07:00:48
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Have the default loading parameters changed or has the progress indicator for K 5.6 just gone missing?
I see Sonar projects which are unresponsive @ open for a long time (like application would have hung) to suddenly appear with all K5 samples already loaded (whereas previously it came up quickly and you could work Sonar already while K5 samples were still being loaded)
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/21 09:05:13
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2016/09/21 09:41:58
Go into Settings -> Load/Import and uncheck the "Load samples in background" option.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/21 10:17:54
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Well, after updating and reverting, now a lot of my third party libraries won't load because NI decided to update them as well when I updated to 5.6.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/21 10:24:21
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I have resolved the Vintage Organs issue, sort of. I found that only one of my custom NKI's seemed to be affected. Resaving it from 5.6 did not help, there was no key switch rendering. So I recreated it from the original factory patch and that works.
It was my "clean" B3 patch with all the rotor disabled, no drive and DI selected for cabinate. This is my most used one as I will put it through Melda MVintageRotary or LX122. I suspect it was created before some up date to either Kontakt of Vintage Organs.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/21 10:26:30
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TerraSin
Well, after updating and reverting, now a lot of my third party libraries won't load because NI decided to update them as well when I updated to 5.6.
Wonderful! hopefully you have backups, if so you probably only have copy the old NKI over the modified one.
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Re: Kontakt Updated to 5.6
2016/09/21 21:32:23
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Well, after updating and reverting, now a lot of my third party libraries won't load because NI decided to update them as well when I updated to 5.6.
Wonderful! hopefully you have backups, if so you probably only have copy the old NKI over the modified one.
Apparently it's a project issue. I have multi-backup on so I can revert it and it's only for the project I opened using 6.5 but it speaks mountains to the sloppy coding that NI does in Kontakt. I'd hope that NI would be a little more professional about how they release their products and addressing issues but they've been keeping quiet which is ridiculous. I really hope more library developers start considering using Falcon instead of Kontakt soon.
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