michaelhanson

eph221
Yes this might work! 😘

LOL!  The problem is, Eph, taking a class does not prevent someone from becoming a homicidal maniac.  It's still about the person, not the gun.  

michaelhanson

eph221
Yes this might work! 😘

LOL!  The problem is, Eph, taking a class does not prevent someone from becoming a homicidal maniac.  It's still about the person, not the gun.  

You misunderstood me.  It'd be the teacher's roll to surmise their mental states.  The true wack a doodles wouldn't be able to sit in class.  It'd also delay the suicidal ones.  I believe I have answered this, now I'll move on.

A couple have made some really eloquent arguments as to why we should ban cars.


Oh, and come down and drive in Houston traffic if you want to see how well licencing & registration schemes work.

eph221
So you admit it's a problem (mass shootings)?  If you can admit it's a problem I'll listen for a solution. Otherwise we're talking past each other. 

 
You should take a defensive handgun course.  Sorry for confusing that you lived in Scotland.  Honestly, go out and take a class - it does not obligate you to buy/own a gun.  You can rent one at the class.
 
Also, if you really feel strongly about preventing deaths from mass shootings, and I believe you do - read this article --  http://monsterhunternatio...pinion-on-gun-control/

I think people here are people people and not so much reading (introverted) people.  Why are there so many mis-readings in these threads?  
 

Linear Phase
@eph221
 
Earlier I told you to, "get a fact."  I did not link articles, essentially adding facts of my own, because this is the coffeeshop of a music forum.  However, since you continue to promote gun control I think you ought to read 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.9d220440b2d2
 
https://fivethirtyeight.c...derstand-gun-violence/

I'm for fixing a problem, not gun control per se.  regulation.  That's been my argument (and the government's argument)  if you see a problem, then legislate a fix.  I agree that laws may not be the way to fix things, but you have to admit there's a problem first.  THEN, we can debate.  One side is debating anti-gun control by saying there's no problem.  The other side is saying there's a problem that needs fixing.  They're talking past eachother.

Round and round we gooo!
 
wheeeeee!!!

ok brother, peace

eph221
ok brother, peace

BTW, and I'm still not entirely sure, but the reason I pooped on you earlier was because your comment about mandatory safety training and licensing (which I agree with and is required up here for any restricted weapons) came across as snark.
 
As in when you mentioned the 9/11 hijackers you were implying that mandatory education/screening DOESN'T work. Based on your followups I'm thinking that MAY have just been poor wording/brainfartage.
 
The master slave crap was still dumb though.

Wow ...what a thread and never got locked.
 
I have been reading lots of back and forth all over the inter-webs and it seems mass murder in the USA will not be going away anytime soon.  No one likes it, but 'whaddaya gonna do.  
 
Hopefully we can hold the line at military assault rifles with bump stocks and the NRA does not get SAMs, RPGs, Mortars and Field artillery pieces available for purchase at Wal-Mart.  
 
My only ask is that in the interest of honest advertising can we change E Pluribus Unum to "Stay Low and Keep Your Spacing"  
 
 

eph221
So you admit it's a problem (mass shootings)?  If you can admit it's a problem I'll listen for a solution. Otherwise we're talking past each other. 

ANY unjustified killing is a problem. Whether it is outright murder or negligence. Terrorism or or just some lone psychopath. Guns, knives, fists, cars, airplanes or the jawbone of an ass. Dead is dead. Tools are just tools. Using a different tool doesn't make someone more dead.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. Evil people will always be there to do evil things. If someone is hell-bent on killing a bunch of people, he's gonna find a way. If he can't get a gun, he'll use a bomb. If he can't use a bomb he'll use a car. If he can't use a car, he'll use poison. Or a machete
Or an axe. Or fire.

You can't legislate away evil. You can't ban , licence, register, control every possible weapon. You can't control what is in people's hearts. Human ingenuity knows no limits.

These are the only guns Poles are allowed to buy to fight communist oppressors.

 

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Right. There will always be nasty, mentally ill freakwads in the world.
 
The idea is to not make their desire to harm EASIER for them... which easy access to firearms does.
 
Now this has been an ongoing point of contention in the gun debate for a while now but this story brings the point RIGHT home.
 
Bump stocks. Should they be legal? The answer is if you truly believe in at least some level of gun control and don't think fully automatic weapons should be easy available then you should be entirely against bump stocks... which are entirely designed to circumvent full auto weapons bans.
 
Now that's just an entry point to a much further analysis of this event and how it could have, at the least, been less deadly. Remember this guy was a completely law abiding citizen who had every right to own (under current laws) every piece of hardware in his possession.
 
So we are talking about a guy who was in ZERO violation of the law until he pulled the trigger... and managed to pull of the high score of mass shootings in the US.
 
I put the blame SQUARELY at the feet of the perp (and others like him) but if people can pull off this level of carnage without breaking a single law until the point of attack... well MAYBE there is something an eensy bit wrong with the laws as well.
 
But really... I'd like to know (as long as we're discussing it and the hosts seem to be ignoring this thread for whatever reason) first and foremost what our members think of the legality of bump stocks... which again are completely legal, designed to get around a perfectly reasonable bans on auto weapons (that most americans agree with... even the gun doods/doodettes) and absolutely led to an increase deaths and casualties in this instance?
 
Okay... GO!