I'll quit while I'm behind and before I say something like:  None of this really matters, it's only a distraction and Eph may be closer to the truth than he knows, except that some of the sheep think they're masters because they're "armed."

I think I have a solution that everyone can agree on:  education!  Make gun owners take a week long course on the responsibilities...etc of gun ownership.  (one has to study and take a test for cars, so it shouldn't rub anyone the wrong way. )The proctor can weed out the wack a doodles kind of like when the terrorists were getting flying lessons,911 could have been mitigated

Why am I so misunderstood boo hoo!

eph221
I think I have a solution that everyone can agree on:  education!  Make gun owners take a week long course on the responsibilities...etc of gun ownership.  (one has to study and take a test for cars, so it shouldn't rub anyone the wrong way. )The proctor can weed out the wack a doodles kind of like when the terrorists were getting flying lessons.

Many states already require this for hunters Eph, Hunters Safety Classes.  Both states that I have been a resident of do.  

Beepster
Which completely ignores the elephant in the room that when you have borderless states with varying gun regulations the states/areas with the tightest regulations can just easily import their weapons across state lines.
 
Byron, please stop posting NRA pamphlet material. This is NOT the forum for it.
 
PLEASE and thank you.

Which completely ignores the fact (there's that word again) that people don't typically travel to commit crimes. It's not like there are crime tours or something where criminals get on a bus to ride over to the next state like they were going to the casinos.

But if we were to take your argument at face value, it is a perfect illustration of the futility of prohibitory and confiscatory gun control schemes. The criminals will always be able to get them. Just like the old bumper sticker: Where guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

The link I provided is to the FBI. Do you really think the FBI is shilling for the NRA?

bdickens

Beepster
Which completely ignores the elephant in the room that when you have borderless states with varying gun regulations the states/areas with the tightest regulations can just easily import their weapons across state lines.
 
Byron, please stop posting NRA pamphlet material. This is NOT the forum for it.
 
PLEASE and thank you.

Which completely ignores the fact (there's that word again) that people don't typically travel to commit crimes. It's not like there are crime tours or something where criminals get on a bus to ride over to the next state like they were going to the casinos.

But if we were to take your argument at face value, it is a perfect illustration of the futility of prohibitory and confiscatory gun control schemes. The criminals will always be able to get them. Just like the old bumper sticker: Where guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

The link I provided is to the FBI. Do you really think the FBI is shilling for the NRA?

You completely missed my point. I wasn't saying people are travelling to commit crimes. That doesn't even make sense. I was saying that guns can and are brought in from less restrictive states/areas (very easily) for use by the criminals who reside in the restrictive areas.
 
That is why one of the most important things to do is to set gun regs at the federal level. Not a mish mash of laws all over the place that completely undermine ANY attempts at local gun control.
 
The only other option would be set to up manned border checkpoints that all incoming traffic must go through like at international borders. That of course would a logistical nightmare, cost a fortune, probably not be all that effective and really is a much less palatable idea (especially in regards to freedom of movement) than sane and uniform federal laws.
 
And this is an extremely complex issue. It cannot be summed up in cliched bumper sticker slogans and catchy sounding (on the surface) false equivalencies.
 
There is no point in me going on about this because we've already reached the point in the discussion where the thread is being loaded up with talking points to deflection and strawmen and I know how this debate goes. Around and around in circles for ever until everyone is ticked off and nothing get solved.
 
That's why I didn't want this to turn into a 2A/GR. This is a) not the right place for it, b) not the right TOPIC for it and c) it's in blatant violation of the TOS/COC making it so anyone who posts rebuttals is breaking the rules.
 
There are a bajillion and one other websites where this type of discussion is allowed and occurs every day. Go to one of them if you want to get into a gun argument.

Me too.

I just want to say that I don't get the "2nd amendment" people.  How is having 40 plus firearms necessary?  Why wouldn't someone with that massive of an arsenal raise a few flags?  I've heard the "well look at Chicago" argument a lot.  But as someone pointed out, Chicago's tough laws are completely undermined because the surrounding areas are very lax with their gun laws.  So its not a fair example.  Its called straw purchases and its a big problem.  What I don't like is that there is the sane regulations most would agree with and then their is the extreme "no regulations",  "don't take my guns away",  mentality that currently dominates the legislation (with gun lobby $). its sickening and disgusting how far these lobbies will go to make a buck.  Its even more disturbing how many lemmings buy into their total bs.   

Good post Craig.....
 
 
 
 
.......are you also going for the TOTP?

Hugh Mann
But, as was also mentioned,  cars and traffic are so much more regulated than firearms.

 
The greatest thing for this world full of stupid idiots will be autonomous cars.  I can not count the number of stupid, disgusting idiots I see driving.  People who tailgate.  People who speed with no concern with the safety of others.  People with all kinds of road rage.  People who are drunk or doing drugs.
 
Take your blinders to the world off.
 

Hugh Mann
  This makes no sense!  Firearms are a huge responsibility.  Way more than driving. 

 
The greatest thing for this world full of stupid idiots will be autonomous cars.  I can not count the number of stupid, disgusting idiots I see driving.  People who tailgate.  People who speed with no concern with the safety of others.  People with all kinds of road rage.  People who are drunk or doing drugs.
 
Take your blinders to the world off.
 

Hugh Mann
And having 40 plus of anything is really borderline insane, lol. 

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