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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/24 15:16:41
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vintagevibe
Brando
, though I never understood why people feel the need to come back here and tell SONAR users about it except for the need to feel vindicated in their choice.
Peace.
I never understood why people get so defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and why they feel the need to comment about it.
Like others have stated, I think that everyone is free to use whatever DAW they like and it doesn't matter to me but if you post your reasons for wanting to ditch a product for something else, I think you need to be sure of the facts first and as others have said, perceived problems could be down to the computer hardware/software configuration or inexperience. When others see such things posted, they're merely pointing out to the poster that they're possibly incorrect. While you say why others get defensive, etc, you could turn that on its head and say why do people feel the need to advertise the fact that they're ditching a product? Wouldn't it be better to say I'm having these difficulties and has anyone else found a resolution to these issues otherwise I maybe forced to look for something else? There are plenty examples of this in the Cakewalk forums and the best example is the anger aired about the stability problems with V-Vocal. This is an excellent case as instead of those users ditching the whole Sonar DAW, they've merely stopped using V-Vocal and started using Melodyne instead! To add to the comments about the new Cubase 7 GUI, my friend doesn't really like it either and I've heard other producers calling it ugly! That's all from me... 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/24 15:59:21
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Hello, I'm thinking of upgrading from Music Creator 6 to X2 Essentials. I agree with what the OP said about paying for demo versions. The 'demo' version of the MP3 exporter in MC6 is an outdated version of Lame encoder which is freeware. On that basis, and if the encoder is the same in Sonar X2, I'm not sure why Cakewalk is getting away with charging money to activate it. Fresh air $14.99/litre! 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/24 20:41:20
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This post sounds like a bluff, seeking reassurance that X2 is not as terrible as he thinks. I for one appreciate the direction Sonar has taken with X1, and X2 only improved upon it. Cubase and Sonar both have trials; give them both an honest run.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/24 20:49:55
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Studious
This post sounds like a bluff, seeking reassurance that X2 is not as terrible as he thinks. I for one appreciate the direction Sonar has taken with X1, and X2 only improved upon it. Cubase and Sonar both have trials; give them both an honest run.
I worked with the Cubase demo for several weeks. I hate the interface. It is about the most unintuitive GUI I've seen in a DAW. I am sure its a powerful DAW, it's just not my cup of tea. I also have been working with (well, trying to work with) DP8 for Windows. It is so buggy that it crashes on exit every time, I lose VSTs, I cannot get it to record audio (even though I am a pro, do this full time and have been doing it for many decades) and the staff view does not display dotted triplets correctly either (neither does Sonar). So the grass is always greener on the other side, but the truth is that switching DAWs is a major learning curve. I don't know what it would take for a software company to take the position that no new features are to be implemented until the ones that are already there work correctly. Maybe never given commercial/economic pressures. JG www.jerrygerber.com
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/24 21:09:26
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I don't know what it would take for a software company to take the position that no new features are to be implemented until the ones that are already there work correctly.
Studio One is the closest thing to this approach except that it has no notation and that does not help those who need it.
Switching DAW's is not difficult. That is a myth. It all depends on what DAW you are switching to.
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J4R10
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/25 06:00:53
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Studious
This post sounds like a bluff, seeking reassurance that X2 is not as terrible as he thinks. I for one appreciate the direction Sonar has taken with X1, and X2 only improved upon it. Cubase and Sonar both have trials; give them both an honest run.
I wish it's not as terrible as I think. I wish it's not as buggy as many users are reporting. You know, I have nothing against Cakewalk, or Roland. I've been using Roland/Boss products since 80's and Cakewalk since 2008. In 2008, when I was thinking which DAW I should buy, I had to make a choice between Sonar and Cubase. My first choice would have been Logic, but I don't like Mac OS, so I decided to stick with PC and purchase Sonar and Propellerhead Reason (4). So, here I am... Still happy with X1 (and Reason 6.5), but I think the times are changing. I don't like the direction Propellerhead has gone with Reason, so I'm not going to upgrade to Reason 7 either. I don't like their Rack Extension concept and I don't need another DAW to record audio. You may wonder why Reason AND Sonar? Well, I think Reason is a perfect platform to write new songs and ideas. I have also purchased a lot of Refills and yes, I use them a lot, but I don't need more audio loops and that's what you get with Reason 7. Of course it's always a risk to skip a major version, but I think it's sometimes good to stick with the one you already have - at least if it works. So why to upgrade/change the platform? Well, I know that in 3-5 years the future plugins may not work in older DAW, so that's why. So the question is: Sonar or Cubase? I have no rush to get me new DAW right now, but I have a feeling that new Sonar is on its way this fall and I hope that it is the upgrade you don't want to miss, but at the moment I have no reason to upgrade from X1 to X2. I'm happy with X1 and my workflow. Never been better. But if the X3 is coming this fall, I'm pretty sure that the upgrade costs X1 users $200-$300. Then it's time to make a decision between Sonar and Cubase. I will give Cubase a try and report my experiences here.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/26 01:20:06
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J4R10,
Have you tried the X2 demo?
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/26 01:21:31
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I dropped Reason too. They have lost their way. Sonar is very solid for me (apart from some graphical weirdness) but to be fair I never use some of the features you guys do- step sequencer, matrix, beatscape, dimension pro, publisher. I have the latest Nuendo (bought cheap and upgraded in hope I could sell it) and it is glitchy for me. But I have not used it enough to develop workrounds so my assessment is maybe unfair. Also have Ableton and that is a very cool program- the most "gapless" DAW that there is no question, but missing many features Sonar guys take for granted.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/26 02:41:57
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vintagevibe
Brando
, though I never understood why people feel the need to come back here and tell SONAR users about it except for the need to feel vindicated in their choice.
Peace.
I never understood why people get so defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and why they feel the need to comment about it.
I never understood why, when people see people get defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and feel the need to comment about it, people feel the need to comment about their commenting. :-)
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J4R10
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/26 04:25:44
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J4R10,
Have you tried the X2 demo?
No, I haven't. But I think it's fair to give X2 to a chance, so I'm going to try them both (Cubase 7 and X2) as soon as I get my mixing project done. I think it's just too risky to install X2 this moment (I've been mixing this album about two months now). One month to go 'til the deadline, so after that.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/28 20:33:22
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Firstly - I have used Cakewalk since version 1.0 on DOS and now have Sonar X2 Producer. Generally I like it and have not had any serious problems with my H/W using it. But I have been keeping an eye on other DAW developments and have recently purchased the Cubase 7 Artist version to explore some things I had been reading about. In Sonar X2 I was disappointed when they included a limited 3rd party reverb to enhance their out of the box reverb offering. I purchased a number of Pro Channel upgrades but was not going to go for the $200 for reverb. The things I have been liking about Cubase are :
1. Even though I have the Artist version of the reverb plugin, it is excellent and not written by a third party that may or may not be part of the next version (which is a risk of any Sonar 3rd party plugin)
2, I enjoy the VST3 support so that my Yamaha synth editor can be used as a VST3 plugin. There has been no indication of VST3 support in Sonar
3. The s/w is cross platform (I have both PC & MAC).
4. There is an IPAD version that has a TOUCH UI and not just Touch support. I don't even have an IPAD (have and android tablet) but will likely have a Wind 8.X tablet someday and will only buy a touch enabled DAW if the UI is designed from the bottom up with Touch. Not just an enablement of existing Windows controls that support touch. If no DAW arrives for a win 8.X tablet , I will likely get an IPad and Cubasis for the IPad
5. The UI is very colorful - I like having the ability to color things they way I want them.
6. Things like the Chord Track are very useful for traditional songs. All of the electronic music compositions features of Sonar are nice but I never use them.
7. Like Sonar, It never crashes
8. After a week or so learning curve, I think it is easier to user.
9. Midi editing on both Cubase an Sonar work well for me. I use to make extensive use of sysex and the midi list editor but no longer use these on Sonar so I cannot comment except to say It works well in Cubase.
I will continue to keep my Sonar up-to-date since I expect interesting things from Cakewalk on touch devices but for now I use Cubase. Please do not take this as a criticism of Sonar, I just have different needs for my DAW at this time. But I do agree that CW should be focusing on making their own core plugins such as reverb and try to avoid 3rd party stuff.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/28 21:10:52
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rabeach
vintagevibe
Brando
, though I never understood why people feel the need to come back here and tell SONAR users about it except for the need to feel vindicated in their choice.
Peace.
I never understood why people get so defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and why they feel the need to comment about it.
I never understood why, when people see people get defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and feel the need to comment about it, people feel the need to comment about their commenting. :-)
I never understood any of this. :) I do know... that both brando and vintage are good people on opposite sides of the fence. I mean that, I have a lot of respect for both of you.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/28 21:25:46
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leebut
Hello,
I'm thinking of upgrading from Music Creator 6 to X2 Essentials. I agree with what the OP said about paying for demo versions. The 'demo' version of the MP3 exporter in MC6 is an outdated version of Lame encoder which is freeware. On that basis, and if the encoder is the same in Sonar X2, I'm not sure why Cakewalk is getting away with charging money to activate it. Fresh air $14.99/litre!
Because of the license agreement that the developers and patent holders of mp3 have you are allowed to use lame free of charge. Cakewalk which is a business is not. Cakewalk has to pay whether they use lame or any other encoder. And they rightfully pass the cost onto you just as every other daw developer does. That aside you are free to download lame from it's developers site and use it instead of purchasing it from cakewalk.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/28 22:49:14
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Because of the license agreement that the developers and patent holders of mp3 have you are allowed to use lame free of charge. Cakewalk which is a business is not. Cakewalk has to pay whether they use lame or any other encoder. And they rightfully pass the cost onto you just as every other daw developer does. That aside you are free to download lame from it's developers site and use it instead of purchasing it from cakewalk.
Rabeach this is the most concise and accurate explanation I have ever seen on this forum. Maybe I missed where it was posted before but you have said it in a very few words what so many of us have struggled to get across. If I steal this and post it please don't say anything.  I wont steal it but it is a great post.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/28 23:59:11
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So....here goes nothing.
This post is probably not going to be popular, but I feel the need to post it anyways. First, take a look at the sig. I have been a Sonar user since Pro Audio 9. I am a fan, hence the reason I am still visiting the forum.
I bought a VS Studio system when it was released. I adopted X1 on the day it was released ( a pretty big mistake on my part, as it crashed multiple times in front of a grammy winning songwriter), and had quite few bugs and glitches, but I fought through. I upgraded to X2 as soon as it was released, and had a few more. And for some reason, even after the updates, I still had totally random craziness on my system (midi ports switching themselves, screenshots flipping around, etc) Not full blown crashes mind you....just bugginess.
Then began the prochannel upgrades. I have to say that it ticked me off a little that Cakewalk was spending their time developing a proprietary plug system, but not working on the VST3 industry standard. When the debate heated up (AGAIN) about VST3, Noel chimed in about how VST3 was not needed, and that you could do everything with VST2 that you can do with VST3, so Sonar did not need VST3.
Then Cakewalk released their CA-2A Leveling Amplifier. Guess what. They included it in VST3 format......a format that they themselves won't even adopt. I felt a little like I had been slapped in the face, having felt a little dumb for asking for VST3 (I want to use my Yamaha Motif with the VST3 editor). Am I the only one that found this strange?
I decided to give Cubase a go. I LOVE IT. I just finished a project with 38 tracks (30 of which are stereo VST), gobs of VST effects and instruments, 5 ms latency at 48k. I ran it for 5 hours during one sitting last Thursday night, and it did not even hiccup. I have not been able to run Sonar like that since 8.5. It is not hard to learn, once you decide to commit.
Let me reiterate....I am not here to cause problems. The only reason I still visit the forums is to help and keep up with any updates that are out. Sonar will always be my first love. But I have to say, Cubase is working EXTREMELY well for me right now.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 02:44:48
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Hi bigboi,me too in X2a with 72 tracks,6 busses with 9 z3ta instance and prochannel on in 55 tracks and many third part plugs on the bus.X2a is a beast and you can see my spec much lower than your.Best
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 04:05:01
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J4R10
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J4R10,
Have you tried the X2 demo?
No, I haven't. But I think it's fair to give X2 to a chance, so I'm going to try them both (Cubase 7 and X2) as soon as I get my mixing project done. I think it's just too risky to install X2 this moment (I've been mixing this album about two months now). One month to go 'til the deadline, so after that.
There is absolutely zero risk by installing X2 alongside X1. It's a completely separate installation.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 09:26:12
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Bristol_Jonesey
There is absolutely zero risk by installing X2 alongside X1. It's a completely separate installation.
I do not doubt your word, but I guess I'm just a little bit too careful right now as I'm almost done with mixing this album. What IF something weird and unpredictable suddenly happens. :O Sonar X1d works nicely, but two weeks ago I purchased Waves Vocal Rider and found out that I can't use its sidechain option on Sonar. Luckily someone at the other audio forum told me about HoRNet Autogain. :)
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 10:01:19
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When you're ready to take the plunge, we'll be here waiting to help break your fall
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 10:50:37
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I've got mixed emotions about moving from Sonar to Cubase. I've been so locked in to Sonar for the past 12-13 years in some ways it will be nice to have a change of scenery, but I do feel sad about it. I think both products have got strengths and weaknesses and it will be interesting to see how they compare. I will post back on my findings once I get into it - I'm not writing Sonar off. I've made too much of an investment in and I think with some TLC it could be amazing. The basics are there but the execution needs some work. The lack of any bug fixes for 6 months is the main reason. Most of the tickets I've raised with Cakewalk are either classed as 'not a bug' or 'intended' - unfortunately X2 is not working well for me, in places, and I don't see any sign of Cakewalk changing. By contrast Cubase have released 4 major patches in the same timeframe - fixing and adding things as they go. It's as if the tables have turned. Cakewalk were always the responsive ones. The fact that touch was even considered for X2A shows me that they are not focusing on the important stuff. I suspect there will be a X2b and it will come out around the same time as W8.1. We'll see :)
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 11:46:57
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I only have Cubase LE which came with my Tascam interface.
I had a MIDI only version on my Atari so I go further back with Steinberg than Calkwalk. I bought Wave Lab 4? and Guitar Studio with my first PC.
in 2000, but continued using my Atari for MIDI because it worked perfectly every time.
I would try to make Guitar Studio work but because I was an idiot and was using a Sound Blaster Audigy of course it was always out of sync.
Wave Lab worked perfectly fine on that PC.
Of all the DAW software on the market somehow these two have been around a long time and are both more or less aimed at the home studio market. I think of them as Brother and Sister's. I like them both, both are as solid as can be expected for any software. Hey, MS Word has friggin glitches.
I am still using 8.5 because like many have said, why upgrade if what you have does everything you need.
But when the day does come that I am forced to purchase a new DAW I will find it hard to pick between the two products.
One of the deal breakers for me is that Cubase has wave editing built right in, no tool copy needed.
I have now invested 1,000's of hours in Sonar and only a few day's in Cubase. I still haven't come close to mastering it. But if changing to X2 ( X4) requires re-learning my DAW then this is another thing to consider.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 12:21:56
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Now I don`t like Cubase 5. Sonar X2a is nice DAW. I like his interesting idea like SmartTool, Skylight, ProChannel. But I need more... And first what I need is VST Expression Map for Sonar X2b (Sonar X3) like in Cubase 7. And more...    And Fast and functional Reaper browser! I don't want to say: "Goodbye Sonar X2" and I don't want to say: "Hello Cubase 7". All I need is modern DAW with modern features. I'm waiting for you, CakeWalk & Roland. Steinberg, MOTU, AVID, PreSonus, Cockos, Image-Line have already done their turn. Your move, CakeWalk! Don't disappoint Us.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 12:43:57
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dorism
I've got mixed emotions about moving from Sonar to Cubase. I've been so locked in to Sonar for the past 12-13 years in some ways it will be nice to have a change of scenery, but I do feel sad about it. I think both products have got strengths and weaknesses and it will be interesting to see how they compare. I will post back on my findings once I get into it - I'm not writing Sonar off. I've made too much of an investment in and I think with some TLC it could be amazing. The basics are there but the execution needs some work. The lack of any bug fixes for 6 months is the main reason. Most of the tickets I've raised with Cakewalk are either classed as 'not a bug' or 'intended' - unfortunately X2 is not working well for me, in places, and I don't see any sign of Cakewalk changing. By contrast Cubase have released 4 major patches in the same timeframe - fixing and adding things as they go. It's as if the tables have turned. Cakewalk were always the responsive ones. The fact that touch was even considered for X2A shows me that they are not focusing on the important stuff. I suspect there will be a X2b and it will come out around the same time as W8.1. We'll see :)
I'll still need to use Sonar for old files and will have to deal with this Cubase paradigm and learning curve but for me it's about tools. Cubase is decades ahead of Sonar in notation and several other things. Cakewalk has no interest in notation or video or VST3 or user customization. Also look what Roland did with the $4K VS700. It's basically orphaned. Also they had a promising VSTi instrument designer but he's gone and Instrument design in Sonar is dead. I like the user interface changes but I don't need Pro Channel modules. They are convenient and are really great for someone who only has Sonar but most professionals already have plenty of FX. It makes me sad really. I started with Cakewalk for Windows 3.1.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 20:03:02
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Bristol_Jonesey
There is absolutely zero risk by installing X2 alongside X1. It's a completely separate installation. Many may have empirical evidence that supports this claim, but I think we need to be careful with making such a claim if taken absolutely literally (with the literal meaning of literally). I might be inclined to side with this claim if each installation was limited to its own separate folder, but with common items such as the Registry, .NET, etc., affected by each installation there is a risk that something could go wrong. I must admit I am often concerned when I see Visual C++ libs and .NET updates occurring mid-stream during the installation. I have upgraded Cakewalk/Sonar from every single version since the old Windows 3.1 and most of those have not caused an impact to the previous installation. Except one, which occurred during the X1 installation and impacted the running of some of my 8.5 projects. When I restored my PC before this update, those projects were fine; but when I ran the update then the issue returned. I think a later patch fixed the problem, or I ran some other Windows update. I would exercise caution if anyone was in the middle of a mission critical project and didn't have time to troubleshoot if something went wrong, however unlikely. Since there's been plenty of X2 installations it's reasonable to assume that it's pretty safe, but it's best to be aware that there is always a slight risk given the common areas shared by X1 and X2
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 20:20:01
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Peter there is nothing wrong with being careful. I think that the point was being made in light of past experience. As well as actual doing it with X1 and X2.
I do see that you have a very good point though. Heck when I moved to Win 8 I decided I would not install X1 not because I was concerned but because you never know. LOL.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 20:50:07
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I know John, and I also know that Bristol_jonesy's advice is probably reasonable too. I would not have posted my caution, even though I would think it, had it not been for my own experience that caught me out that one time. I think it had something to do with one of the "add-on" libraries (like .NET or Visual C++) that required a follow-up patch.
I do wish software would simply go into its own folder only, with no registry and no other common libs involved (a bit like some applications do, particularly on Linux or some of the older DOS style programs). I have written software for over 20+ years and you try to avoid taking risks with common libraries because the regression testing required becomes huge, particularly if you are trying to test for multiple versions running concurrently.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 20:55:21
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As usual we are in total agreement, Peter.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 21:50:13
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Never liked Cubase and I agree with the OP. The interface is ugly. Sonar X2a Pro is solid for me and is my main DAW. With that said I use Reaper once in awhile too and find it to be excellent. The only feature I don't like about Reaper is its "clean project folder" but that's about the only negative thing I can say about it. If Cakewalk ever goes belly-up (hope that never happens) Reaper would suit me just fine.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/30 22:43:05
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to the op.
I simply don't understand where your coming from or where your going.
sorry.
best of luck.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7
2013/05/31 03:46:07
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VariousArtist
I know John, and I also know that Bristol_jonesy's advice is probably reasonable too. I would not have posted my caution, even though I would think it, had it not been for my own experience that caught me out that one time. I think it had something to do with one of the "add-on" libraries (like .NET or Visual C++) that required a follow-up patch.
I do wish software would simply go into its own folder only, with no registry and no other common libs involved (a bit like some applications do, particularly on Linux or some of the older DOS style programs). I have written software for over 20+ years and you try to avoid taking risks with common libraries because the regression testing required becomes huge, particularly if you are trying to test for multiple versions running concurrently.
One way to test it would be if you had a spare computer lying around with X1 installed and install X2 side by side and test it thoroughly. I have Sonar installed on 3 machines so any upgrades I always install on one of my non-DAW machines and give it a good workout. If it works ok there then I'll install it on my main rig
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