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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 20:08:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby PilotGav 2015/07/03 23:06:27
OK. What e-zine and what e-mail? I get nothing from cakewalk. The only way I ever even know there's an update is I see it being talked about on this forum. Communication is really NOT Cakewalk's strong suit.
 



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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 20:15:41 (permalink)
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The past two issues have had product reviews of SONAR-friendly products - the Xkey 25 keyboard controller and MIDIMATE II USB MIDI interface. My intention was to give an extra goodie to members, as well as provide something in the eZine that would be useful to people who hadn't upgraded to SONAR 2015. 
 
I'd be interested in thoughts/suggestions about whether having reviews is helpful, and if so, the type of products you'd like to see covered. . . .
 
Thoughts?




Craig, here is my feedback:
1) Yes, they are very useful. Bloody useful!
2) I would like to be able to find them on an occasional basis; when the mood strikes or when I am looking into new equipment.  Please consider whether  ease of access for future reference be improved?
3) I like the fact that they are "to the point" and that there is not a lot of fluff (many professional reviewers seem to be frustrated novelists!)
4) I agree that SOS is a great place to go for sensible, useful reviews and great recording tips.
5) Positive vs Negative reviews;
 a) You are in a great position to give positive reviews on the items you truly find useful and IMHO this is a good thing. 
b) So many of the commercial publications find it necessary to put a put a positive spin on crap products in order to stay afloat. 
 c) Often I notice that the negative comments or reviews online are the result of someone not knowing how to use the product properly and almost everything I own has a negative review or comment online but that doesn't stop them from being useful to me.  That said, we would like to know if something is crap so feel free to let us know about those that you find a product useless or dodgy.
 
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 20:27:10 (permalink)
Maybe we need rating icons. I immediately thought or steaming piles of dog doo for the bad. Maybe cakes for the good stuff.
 
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 21:24:39 (permalink)
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Stuff you have been asked to review is OK. But my preference is you describe things and programs and utilities that you actually use.



That's pretty much what I do, because then I don't have to spend time researching something - using it has provided the research. What "pulled the trigger" on covering the MIDIMATE was it handling polyphonic aftertouc so well. When I could thru it back into the keyboard and have it not miss a byte, I thought "people should know about this."
 
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 21:26:27 (permalink)
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[Edit] Appologies to the thread and creator . . . over and out



I see both of you as victims of "text-only is a crappy medium of communications." I think there was some intended humor that didn't work. Not that I've ever done anything like that...

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 21:49:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/07/03 22:29:28
Another takeaway is that this is a GREAT place to do market research 
 
Some of the comments make me think I should take this more seriously than I have been. My original motivation was pretty simple..."found a cool thing, should let SONAR users know about it." (WilliamCopper, no product placement...the manufacturers found out the review was being run only when I sent them a copy for fact-check.)
 
As to positive vs. negative, I've often been asked why my reviews are generally positive, with the implication there's some sort of conspiracy or bias or whatever. The reality is I find out about most products at trade shows. If I check something out and it looks like it has a lot of potential, I'll ask for a loaner. I have no interest in spending a month learning something that doesn't interest me or seems dodgy. I'd rather turn people on to cool stuff they might not find out about otherwise than slam something which is probably getting slammed all over the web anyway.
 
I have written a few extremely negative reviews when I thought something was cool and found out the opposite was true. In two cases, the reviews were of production prototypes just prior to launch, and the companies pulled the products after getting a copy of the review for fact-check. This rendered the reviews moot so they were never published. In another, the company went out of business before the review was scheduled for publication. But there have also been reviews where I found a serious flaw in the product (usually software), and the manufacturer would ask if I'd be willing to delay the review for a month while they fixed the issue. I would always say yes. If they fixed the problem, the review would turn from negative to positive. So sometimes there's more to the review process than meets the eye.
 
As to publishing them elsewhere, maybe they should go on the Cakewalk blog eventually or something. Frankly I never thought that far ahead, I just thought it would add value to the eZine for readers. It's kind of a diary of "what I checked out this month that was pretty cool." I'm glad that by and large people enjoy it. I plan on keeping the process relatively loose for the time being, but will be taking the helpful feedback received here into account.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 23:01:41 (permalink)
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OK. What e-zine and what e-mail? I get nothing from cakewalk. The only way I ever even know there's an update is I see it being talked about on this forum. Communication is really NOT Cakewalk's strong suit.

 
I agree 100%. I've never seen this "e-zine" and I've been using/paying for Sonar since before it was called Sonar.
 
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 23:16:44 (permalink)
I always appreciate and enjoy reading good information but would prefer the monthly documentation be focused on the update and use of any new features. Maybe reviews would be better in a separate tips type of newsletter.
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/03 23:33:50 (permalink)
Thank you for the clarification.
 
As you can, without offending any of your "sponsers," please describe you current equipment and software.
 
A current snapshot of what is connected and how (I/O) will be a wonderful contribution to the Sonar community.
 
(You have already started this with your "show us your command bar" thread.)
 
An example: I use an excel spreadsheet to track I/O via patch panels.
http://lansing.com/audioTemp/patch_panel_routing_charts_1014_d.xls
I print these charts on 8x14 paper in color, for the two patch panels I am currently using, and for the virtual I/O.
The file does not have the updates for the Tascam us-16x08 which replaced the EMU 1820m, and the move to the new room. 
 
These charts are way easier to refer to/change/update/notate than the strips on the patch panels. Especially when behind the racks.
 
 
Other::: I do not care about negative reviews cuz I have limited time to care about what I should not care about.
 
 
post edited by YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson - 2015/07/03 23:41:36
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/04 00:32:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Thedoccal 2016/08/18 21:02:17
PilotGav
I've never seen this "e-zine" and I've been using/paying for Sonar since before it was called Sonar.



Here are the URLs for the issues so far.
Foxboro
Everett
Dorchester
Cambridge
Braintree
 
The eZine was introduced with the membership program. The motivation was to do something cooler than the usual release notes that accompany a new software release. They're typically around 20 pages and are free to anyone who wants to download them.
 
Quite a big deal was made about the eZine initially, and it's always mentioned in the Cakewalk forum posts announcing a new release. If you go to the SONAR landing page, "back issues" are available for download under the "Rolling Updates" tab that describes what's in each release. They're usually mentioned in the newsletter (but I had to enter an exception in my spam filter to receive it).
 


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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/04 00:42:14 (permalink)
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I always appreciate and enjoy reading good information but would prefer the monthly documentation be focused on the update and use of any new features. Maybe reviews would be better in a separate tips type of newsletter.



I have barely enough time to put together one publication a month . But if I have any material on using the new features, it's included in the eZine. Also remember that Cakewalk adds more detail in the online help. The eZine is more to describe what the features do, and get people started using them.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/04 00:50:54 (permalink)
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Just for your info and the bakers that link was left out of the Foxboro banner.(download the ezine.pdf) is not there for Foxboro.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/04 01:22:20 (permalink)
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/04 02:05:47 (permalink)
My interest in reviews would be on a product basis. If it could benefit me.
I read every eZine as soon as the release is announced.

I guess people come to this forum and look no further on the Cakewalk site. The eZine and further info is pretty is easy to find.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/04 02:38:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby petec 2016/08/24 15:31:08
Craig,
I would like to have your opinion on Jamstix,(which I use), just because I feel this is a very underrated piece of software, that if more people new about it, and what it can do, that they also would want it. I am waiting for Jamstix 4 to come out, and Ralph says that is close.. So go on and treat the masses to a review of Jamstix. I think they need to know about it.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/04 20:53:13 (permalink)
Craig, I think you got a great idea. Keep it simple to fit in the format of the ezine. It won't be a waste for sure. And anything related to Sonar users is really thoughtful of you.

And I aslo am.looking forward to the Jamstix review. Good tool that isn't used enough.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/05 04:48:20 (permalink)
Seeing as the reviews aren't tied to a function of the actual release how about doing reviews of the utilities that our members have created.
Currently I'm hosting them via a sticky thread at the top of the Software thread. It would be an opportunity to give these deserved developers wider exposure, considering that a) the utilities are all free, b) they only work in Sonar so it's not like the developers are using the programs to boost their profiles and/or market.
As every Sonar user gets the eZine it could bring more traffic to the forum as well as show the depth of support provided by the membership. Perhaps PM me if you have private comments to make.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/05 08:34:30 (permalink)
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Yes indeed...writing reviews is a job, and some people do a good job...some don't. I must say, though, that magazines sort of have themselves to blame. They pay little for reviews, insist on low word counts, and have the mistaken idea that it's more important to please advertisers than readers.


Tell me about it, I've written quite a number of CD and gig reviews in my time. :-)

I agree with you about the two publications you mention by the way.

The other side of the story is the magazine (which one I forget) that carried a review of a certain German synth when it was first released. The reviewer praised to the skies several functions that the synth's manufacturer had already acknowledged were either incredibly buggy or simply not working yet and would need a firmware upgrade to sort out. It kind of gave the impression the reviewer had never actually tried using the thing.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/05 11:59:12 (permalink)
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Seeing as the reviews aren't tied to a function of the actual release how about doing reviews of the utilities that our members have created.



Either great minds think alike or lesser minds run in the same gutter, because I was thinking the same thing. I still want to do Jamstix next because I have it on a limited-time loan, but I'l pencil the utilities in for the next issue.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/05 17:05:36 (permalink)
I usually read the eZine while downloading the update(s). I like that you incorporate other products that is SONAR friendly, even though I am not in the marked for upgrading (yet). Keep up the good work, Craig

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2015/07/05 17:21:37 (permalink)
I read the ezine from start to finish, I then might post comments based on it whereupon I often get referred back to the eZine . Good contributions Craig...

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 12:06:37 (permalink)
It's insulting to see reviews of products riding on a software update as if that's valuable content we've all been waiting for. If the ezine seems too sparse, so be it. Don't pad it with things we can just google if we need to. I'd even understand outright Gison or Cakewalk pandering of products but lookie at this?
meh.
 
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 13:05:06 (permalink)
I love them! The reviews are informative!  Sometimes I will be reading a new eZine and re-read an older one while I am there!

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 13:20:51 (permalink)
i read the ezine for the Sonar update content only. 

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 13:45:13 (permalink)
No ... don't read any of the reviews. If I want a review of something I Google it. And KVRaudio is my source for "what's new".
 
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 13:46:54 (permalink)
I don't read the product reviews. 
 
 

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 14:15:40 (permalink)
I am a reader of the reviews, too!  I just like to see what audio production stuff is around.  I may not purchase much these days, but I regard the reading of such reviews as part of keeping up with the world.  I appreciate the addition to the ezine.
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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 14:19:13 (permalink)
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It's insulting to see reviews of products riding on a software update as if that's valuable content we've all been waiting for. If the ezine seems too sparse, so be it. Don't pad it with things we can just google if we need to. I'd even understand outright Gison or Cakewalk pandering of products but lookie at this?
meh.

 
I don't get the "insulting" part. The reviews and other features, like Anatomy of a SONAR Project, Surfboard, Blog Beat, Rapture tips, the Top 10 Chart, etc. are intended to make the eZine more than just the usual "release notes." I try to find products that complement SONAR in some way and might therefore be of interest to SONAR users, but you can just ignore them if you want. Also note that the eZine does not accept advertising and is not "pay to play," so companies cannot influence the content of reviews.
 
However if people don't read them...less work for me . My only motivation in doing them was to give SONAR users something "extra."

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 14:20:31 (permalink)
Yea definitely read the reviews. And I agree wholeheartedly about SOS and Keyboard being 2 of the better places to get reviews. TapeOp is also good. And now we have yours! Thanks.

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Re: [Market Research] Just Wondering...Does Anyone Read the Product Reviews in the eZine? 2016/08/16 14:40:12 (permalink)
+1 Good Read!

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