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Maschine and Sonar X3C
So I'm thinking about buying one. So I'm eager for thoughts...
Those who have one of these, has it really changed your workflow or is it gathering dust? Could you not do without it?
Do you use it to control your DAW?
I notice there have been issues Sonar and the Maschine software in the past, is it now the past with X3C and current maschine software?
Do you think it has it been type casted as just for techno and dance music?
I have never used one and wonder if I should.
Cheers
Alex
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 16:33:22
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why not a touch screen to use with matrix?
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 16:40:59
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I'm in the same situation as you so I'll be watching here to see who chimes in. I'd also be interested to to hear any thoughts on the mikro vs full maschine as I'm really tempted by the price of the new mikro which includes the 2.0 software.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 16:42:03
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Maschine is a dance music and hip-hop beast. I think kev99 (or something like that) used maschine with sonar. I think he even posted a video on youtube. Not sure if it would work well with heavy metal or zyedeco.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 16:43:50
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☄ Helpfulby 20 Grand 2013/12/03 21:35:33
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 17:56:26
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I don't have the Studio version yet but I've owned and used the regular version (original hardware) with Sonar for two years and for the purpose of the question I don't think it makes a difference. Maschine is great for anything requiring good electronic drums. The sounds are excellent. Its own internal engine is great for compiling kits and loop based recording. Its integration into a DAW is not ideal, because all the workflow ingenuities are built around the idea that you'll sequence inside Maschine itself. That said, if you set it up right, you can make it work linearly inside your DAW too and it's certainly a better drum computer with better sounds than anything else I've ever had. I have never regretted my purchase. As a controller, I don't think it's excellent, but perhaps the Mk2 hardware, being color based, is better. I have never used Matrix View in Sonar and use my APC40 with Ableton so that's why I never dove in. When I tried to use Maschine as a general Sonar controller through ACT with the Mackie protocol, it failed miserably. The best results are had with the VS700 protocol, but even that is far from ideal as some functions don't respond correctly, something which was implied by Cake officials to be a failure on Sonar's part. Additionally, Maschine is built to be a great controller for Maschine, not for anything else. I suppose the Matrix View might work considering the 4x4 pad arrangement, but for most stuff that's just not a very useful layout. Just my experiences, hope it helps. EDIT Oh yeah and I really like compiling my kits, adjusting sounds and editing samples from the hardware. Gives you much more of a feeling of working with an instrument.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 18:13:45
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What application are you planning/wanting to use it for?
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 18:21:43
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Going to use with X3C Pro, maybe using battery as a plugin, assuming it will behave.
BTW @mondaydave the Micro version won't work as a crossgrade to Komplete in case you are interested in that (one of the reasons I've become interested in Maschine).
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 18:58:43
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Thanks for the tip off CakeAlexS. I have no immediate plans to buy Komplete but was just looking up the spec there and it reads like serious vst porn! It would make me think twice as what is saved now might not be the best option in the long term. So much stuff out there. Problem is I think I would need a few lifetimes to learn to use it all.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 20:21:31
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I have Maschine.
I originally purchased it primarily for standalone use, along with mostly hardware synths, however its sequencer sucks butt big time... It seems that NI r&d had zero clue as to what a sampler sequencer groovebox should actually do, and it has not improved that much along the way... So, as a standalone unit, unless you are solely into hiphop (it doesnt do techno well as fx tails are cut), I would not recommend it to anyone.
However, it is a decent drum machine and so with Sonar, running it as a VST it integrates quite well... you get a lot of kits, its easy to build your own (even just pulling in hits from CW freebies) and a bunch of patterns in step sequencer format come with the stock kits..so from that aspect its a decent addition.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/11/30 22:03:29
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I have the Mikro unit and use it for MIDI input (the pads) in Sonar. It has many other uses as well which I'm not particularly conversant with but do use. Overall I like it. Recommended (so much I'm upgrading to the full Maschine in the near future).
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/01 13:58:05
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Maschine is sick, I use it on a fair amount of my projects within Sonar, by far my favourite sampler, very fast workflow, great for constructing intricate beat patterns and sample chopping, plus you can drag and drop audio files from Sonar to Maschine, I have used Akai mpc 2000xl's, mpc 1000's, mpd 32 midi controllers etc etc.. all are great samplers but in my opinion the Maschine MkII is on another level, would deffintly recommend. Juddz.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/01 22:33:57
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Hmm I had a Akai S1000 once and those drum pads that came with it. Hmmm.
So really opinion is split, and that seems to be down to the way people want to use it.
Very enlightening... thankyou...
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/02 09:49:29
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s100 with drum pads? Are you sure it was an s1000? If i recall, that was a rack mount unit. Maybe you are thinking mpc1000.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/02 09:54:57
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Creating a track template with a bunch of outputs and midi tracks really solved most of my woes integration wise.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/02 10:06:39
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s100 with drum pads? Are you sure it was an s1000? If i recall, that was a rack mount unit. Maybe you are thinking mpc1000.
That and a MPC3000, worked together very nicely.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/02 10:25:09
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i use mine frequently for dance/electronic hip hop flavor. love adding maschine fx to sounds and groups too. Reminds me of sampling sequencing with my Roland S-50, in middle school. :) I use mine in Sonar, (recording in maschine)
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 02:08:24
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I just bought a Maschine Studio and Komplete 9 Ultimate.
I must be nuts!!!!
Cheers :)
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 04:21:00
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2013/12/03 10:08:35
Being a long-time MPC owner, my main reason for going with MASCHINE was that it really captures the familiar drum programming workflow of working with a dedicated device like an MPC. Early iterations of the software weren't very good, but the product has steadily improved to the point where AKAI Professional (makers of the MPC line) is now playing catch-up. My main issue with MASCHINE is that the DAW integration appears to be an afterthought. NI currently seems more focused on turning MASCHINE into its own little standalone production studio. It's probably good for sales and marketing, but it also makes MASCHINE seem like its not being geared for use in serious studios. It's fairly obvious that they've nailed emulating a dedicated device, now they need to focus on MASCHINE's real strength and refine the software to work more efficiently and predictably. The recent 2.0 software release was a great opportunity but it seems to have come up a bit short. I've highlighted my biggest concern with MASCHINE in this recent thread in NI's forum. Nevertheless, Congrats Alex! I highly recommend that you pick up some of the MASCHINE Expansion packs that are on sale for half-price until 12/9. Those expansions add a lot of bang for the buck. Let me know if you have any questions about getting MASCHINE working with SONAR. -e.B
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 04:25:27
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Enjoy! That's enough new sonic toys to last you for quite a while! Be sure to learn to use the Maschine hardware and not just click around the software.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 06:21:33
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e.Blue
Being a long-time MPC owner, my main reason for going with MASCHINE was that it really captures the familiar drum programming workflow of working with a dedicated device like an MPC. Early iterations of the software weren't very good, but the product has steadily improved to the point where AKAI Professional (makers of the MPC line) is now playing catch-up. My main issue with MASCHINE is that the DAW integration appears to be an afterthought. NI currently seems more focused on turning MASCHINE into its own little standalone production studio. It's probably good for sales and marketing, but it also makes MASCHINE seem like its not being geared for use in serious studios. It's fairly obvious that they've nailed emulating a dedicated device, now they need to focus on MASCHINE's real strength and refine the software to work more efficiently and predictably. The recent 2.0 software release was a great opportunity but it seems to have come up a bit short. I've highlighted my biggest concern with MASCHINE in this recent thread in NI's forum. Nevertheless, Congrats Alex! I highly recommend that you pick up some of the MASCHINE Expansion packs that are on sale for half-price until 12/9. Those expansions add a lot of bang for the buck. Let me know if you have any questions about getting MASCHINE working with SONAR. -e.B
If you don't mind I'll archive this thread so I can get in touch when I start using my original Maschine. I'm in the process of setting up my studio. About 50% of software is installed! then I've got to do all the MIDI hardware and such.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 10:01:09
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The recent 2.0 software release was a great opportunity but it seems to have come up a bit short. I've highlighted my biggest concern with MASCHINE in this recent thread in NI's forum.
Yikes :( Has the bug been reported to NI?
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 10:48:56
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Quick question for anybody that has a Maschine. I have been looking at MIDI pad controllers. I want something to input drums with because I'm really struggling with the keyboard. If the beat is just high-hat, kick and snare I'm fine but trying to add in toms, crash cymbals or a ride and it gets horrible. I tried out KORG's nanoPAD2 but didn't like it. Based on my research the Maschine was one of the more recommended controllers, in terms of playability followed by the KORG padKontrol.
What I'm most curious about are the pads themselves. How playable are they? I'd like something that is responsive enough to do quick rolls on one pad with two fingers and with enough velocity sensitivity to do creshendos in those situations. When I tried that on the nanoPAD2 it would miss notes all the time on the roll. Would somebody be able to provide some details on their experiences with the Maschine pads? My local music store won't let me return an Maschine because of the software so I can't really buy it and try it. I'm taking the nanoPAD back soon.
Also, how easy is it to turn the Maschine into just a MIDI controller for Sonar? I couldn't find descriptions about that in the manual. I don't actually care about the included Maschine software. I already have Komplete 9, as well as, Addictive Drums so I think I'm covered for natural drums. Any feedback would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 11:11:27
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Mantofini
..What I'm most curious about are the pads themselves...
Also, how easy is it to turn the Maschine into just a MIDI controller for Sonar? ..
I can't compare them to any others since Maschine is the only ones I've used but I've found them to be fairly sensitive. A better question for you may be just how much you are willing to spend for the sensitivity you need. That said I've been pleased with the results. Turning it into a controller for Sonar took be a bit to get my head around but once somebody pointed me in the right direction it was pretty much a piece of cake (so to speak). I forget what it's called off the of my head but it is something along the lines of "? Editor". It has it's own help file and not that hard to understand once I put forth the effort. Hope that helps. Regards,
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 11:18:26
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Mantofini
..What I'm most curious about are the pads themselves...
Also, how easy is it to turn the Maschine into just a MIDI controller for Sonar? ..
I can't compare them to any others since Maschine is the only ones I've used but I've found them to be fairly sensitive. A better question for you may be just how much you are willing to spend for the sensitivity you need. That said I've been pleased with the results.
Turning it into a controller for Sonar took be a bit to get my head around but once somebody pointed me in the right direction it was pretty much a piece of cake (so to speak). I forget what it's called off the of my head but it is something along the lines of "? Editor". It has it's own help file and not that hard to understand once I put forth the effort.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
Thanks for the reply. I'll take another look at the manual and look for the word Editor. I agree with you regarding the cost. $350 is a lot of money to just input drum hits. That's why I started by trying out the nanoPAD2. It was only $60. Guess I'll just keep trying progressively more expensive units until I'm either happy or decide it's not worth the money.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 11:38:55
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I would call them pretty good but not excellent. Probably wouldn't buy it just as a generic controller but then, I really like the sounds and workflow.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 12:08:08
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Mantofini: It is a separate application that Maschine. Off the top of my head I think it is "Controller Editor"...I'll check when I get home and post here if no one posts a name.
Also one thing to consider with Maschine, even though you only want it for the pads, it comes with quite a bit of NI's typically high quality content. I find it a lot of fun to play around with but I'm far from expert in the sampling realm.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 12:26:14
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Sanderxpander
I would call them pretty good but not excellent. Probably wouldn't buy it just as a generic controller but then, I really like the sounds and workflow.
Out of curiosity Sanderxpander. What other pad controllers would you recommend? I have read bad things about the responsiveness of Akai pads. There is a Novation controller than I might try next. The KORG padKontrol sounds good, as well, but, none of the stores in my area that allow returns currently carry it. Also, I'm not sure that will continue to be supported for a while.
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Re: Maschine and Sonar X3C
2013/12/03 12:34:36
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Somewhere on YouTube there's a guy who's got a video of maschine being used as a controller with sonar (doing loops). Search for maschine and sonar. I spent a good few hours watching these vids and reading before I got one. Looks like I didn't research hard enough!
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