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Melodyne still not sync'ed
Can others confirm this? Apparently it is still off. So far otherwise, 'e' has been great.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/18 21:13:05
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confirm what? If you outline the recipe and conditions here, others may try it.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/18 21:46:36
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confirm what? If you outline the recipe and conditions here, others may try it.
Well, I thought the title said it all...Did you miss it? " Melodyne still not sync'ed" There's been a known issue with it not syncing with the track view. This was listed as fixed in 'e', but the issue remains.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/18 22:08:27
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You are assuming we all know about your issue, however some of us don't. Sorry it means nothing to me.
Could you paste in your steps to reproduce or better still could you point to an actual thread (by the sounds of it there is one).
If you do find the thread I suggest that maybe it's best to continue the discussion on that thread rather than starting a new one (get's confusing/we all have to start from the beginning again otherwise).
Thanks.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/18 23:12:26
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Transcending Music
Can others confirm this? Apparently it is still off. So far otherwise, 'e' has been great.
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Are you using any tempo changes in the song?
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/18 23:41:48
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Transcending Music
Can others confirm this? Apparently it is still off. So far otherwise, 'e' has been great.
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Are you using any tempo changes in the song?
hey MB, no there are no tempo changes in the project. What's happening is that after I create the Region FX, looking at the Melodyne window, the time ruler there is not in sync visually with the time ruler in the track view. So in the Melodyne window, the ruler is slightly ahead. This has only presented a visual problem though, not an audio sync issue. At any rate, I reported the issue.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/18 23:54:40
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There was definitely an issue with this that was fixed in X3E caused by rounding errors with tempos that would show up when you were further out by many measures in the project.
If you are still seeing something like this its probably a different problem that was not reported by a recipe.
We will need a detailed recipe and a project file to reproduce it before it can be investigated.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 00:58:21
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Hi Noel,
Speaking of Melodyne, the modify/repair/remove window that comes up during the Sonar 3XE patch installation...what is the correct response? I have the paid upgrade to the Melodyne Editor. I cancelled any changes. But was that the right choice?
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 01:19:01
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There was definitely an issue with this that was fixed in X3E caused by rounding errors with tempos that would show up when you were further out by many measures in the project.
If you are still seeing something like this its probably a different problem that was not reported by a recipe.
We will need a detailed recipe and a project file to reproduce it before it can be investigated.
Hey Noel, I made the report so I could go back to it and attach a session there. The plugin that I think is suspect is in the session. Edit: Noel, I sent you a PM
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 05:22:04
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Haven't had a chance to try it yet. I am going through a major clean install of everything, so it may be a while before I get to X3e. So much software etc. to set up.. Noel says the original rounding error is fixed, so I will have a play with it when I eventually get there. Would you PM me with a bit more information of what you are seeing this time? Thanks. My original thread is here: http://forum.cakewalk.com...onfirmed-m2965645.aspx
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 08:06:26
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boblette
Hi Noel,
Speaking of Melodyne, the modify/repair/remove window that comes up during the Sonar 3XE patch installation...what is the correct response? I have the paid upgrade to the Melodyne Editor. I cancelled any changes. But was that the right choice?
That choice is from the melodyne installer not from SONAR. If you already have the latest editor updates from Celemony then you should be able to cancel out of that...
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 09:04:36
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Thanks Noel,
But why is the patch install even triggering a Melodyne install window? Can that be avoided in the future to avoid the misinformed from a wrong choice?
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 09:12:17
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boblette
Thanks Noel,
But why is the patch install even triggering a Melodyne install window? Can that be avoided in the future to avoid the misinformed from a wrong choice?
Yes please, or please at least document on the release notes it's confusing and people have screwed up here in the past. :) Should the Melodyne installer even be distributed with your patches? (I though Melodyne supplied updates via their site or autoupdate). Or is it just being triggered for some reason?? Thanks..
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 11:26:09
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The X3E update is cumulative and includes all other patches. Since one of the updates included a new version of melodyne, the installer needs to run this. It is harmless to cancel out of the melodyne installer if you are up to date already, as I said earlier.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 11:35:00
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
The X3E update is cumulative and includes all other patches. Since one of the updates included a new version of melodyne, the installer needs to run this. It is harmless to cancel out of the melodyne installer if you are up to date already, as I said earlier.
Right but it's not harmless to press some of the other buttons, and in X3D people were doing just that and having to reinstall Melodyne afterwards. They should not be expected to guess which option is best for them. This is the first thing people see what you run the patch! Please document in release notes at least :). I still find it strange that the Melodyne update is being distributed by the patch (esp as we are getting undesirable effects, sure yes not the worst thing in the world), I think I should be done via a an entirely separate update, but that's a separate matter.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 12:32:17
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There was one time that I hit "repair" (or modify or whatever) on that Melodyne installer and it did absolutely no harm at all. I wouldn't worry about it.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 13:02:41
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Welp...I tried loading X3E without including any of the Melodyne stuff and my Editor quit working. So I reinstalled and let it install the 64bit melodyne single track and everything started working properly again. YMMV.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 13:08:23
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Yep I'm sorry Yorolpal, but apparently this is harmless  sharke
There was one time that I hit "repair" (or modify or whatever) on that Melodyne installer and it did absolutely no harm at all. I wouldn't worry about it.
Tell that to this guy, X3D last time around: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Melodyne-Serial-Number-m2951789.aspx But hey let's just leave the users to play Russian Roulette  . Why is Cake even distributing Melodyne as part of the patch? It just does not make any sense (should be installed separately, the patch is being run when it does not need to be run). I could understand if Cake had some version checking in the patch for Melodyne so it can detect if running the Melodyne patch is necessary or not, but it does not (half baked), and it's ugly. In the meantime it needs to be documented in the release notes !!!!
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 13:36:48
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Seth sorry I don't think you are understanding the actual issue, you are assuming users will CANCEL, some will not! Some users WILL NOT CANCEL because they don't know what to do and are not technically minded like we may be. Nowhere do you have this documented, so they are supposed to guess which button to press? And it's just weird to run the X3E patch and the first thing you see is MODIFY/REPAIR/CANCEL or whatever it was. We have also documented people who have been running into problems so it's not just imagination going on here.. Come on see my point here, it must make sense :) Thanks...
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 14:13:36
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Seth sorry I don't think you are understanding the actual issue, you are assuming users will CANCEL, some will not!
Some users WILL NOT CANCEL because they don't know what to do and are not technically minded like we may be.
Nowhere do you have this documented, so they are supposed to guess which button to press?
And it's just weird to run the X3E patch and the first thing you see is MODIFY/REPAIR/CANCEL or whatever it was.
We have also documented people who have been running into problems so it's not just imagination going on here..
Come on see my point here, it must make sense :)
Thanks...
No, I understand the actual issue. You're pointing out that some users don't read the Melodyne installer prompt. If a user can't read an installer prompt, which in Celemony's defense is quite informative, what says they'll read documentation we present? The first thing you see when running the patch is not the Celemony prompt. Please stop misrepresenting the situation.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 14:14:30
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 14:16:37
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 14:25:57
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> The first thing you see when running the patch is not the Celemony prompt. Please stop misrepresenting the situation.
I sorry that's a little OTT Seth considering my track record. Sorry but from memory it popped up straight away when running the patch, look if I'm wrong I'm wrong I'd happy to admit it, I'm not going to run the patch again however to check it.
Really though I don't see what the issue is about WHEN it is running, it is that it is running at all, or you don't have clear documented instructions on what to do next here which clearly can lead to confusion.
BTW there is nothing in your installer wizard to indicate that Melodyne installer is about to be run, and there is no option not to run it (i.e. express/custom/full install), that's sort of unusual isn't it when installing software?
Regardless I can't imagine why you just can't put in the release note advise on how to install your patch. It does no harm to anybody and would be helpful.
Please do not regard this as a criticism here, your patch is bl**dy excellent otherwise (so far).
Thanks.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 14:32:14
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
CakeAlexS
Sorry but I have further confusion to document here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Melodyne-screen-with-Xe-patch-m3009841.aspx
Thanks :).
Please stop arguing with moderators.
Seth I'm trying to back up my points here I hope this is allowed. I'm sorry last thing I want is an argument with anybody Seth, I was just trying to get a point across, I don't mean to give out the impression of arguing, moaning or whatever. I apologise if you see it this way, that is not my intention. I wish to be seen as friendly here.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 15:33:02
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk
No, I understand the actual issue. You're pointing out that some users don't read the Melodyne installer prompt. If a user can't read an installer prompt, which in Celemony's defense is quite informative, what says they'll read documentation we present?
I found the Melodyne installer prompt confusing as well. I read it, just didn't quite understand what button to push in the context of a patch. Any way to make it clearer would be appreciated.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 16:25:45
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back to the original topic of this thread . . . is the graphic thing fixed with Melodyne?
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 16:43:02
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I'm not sure that the OP's issue is the same as the earlier reported issue, or possibly it's a different description than I've heard before.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 18:17:32
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Hi,
I also have a sync issue with Melodyne. When playing the track, Melodyne is displaying/marking the blobs lets say 2s ahead of the actual song. Which makes editing quite difficult because you see diffenerent things.
Is there any recommendation on how to configure Audio Playback/Recording? I've choosen WDM/KS.
Running Sonar X3e Producer, Melodyne editor on Win7x64
Any help highly appreciated as it is not productive to work with Melodyne as it was with V-Vocal.
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Re: Melodyne still not sync'ed
2014/03/19 18:55:40
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confirmed. Melodyne still does not line the blobs up correctly. very sad. please hotfix asap please please
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