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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/26 22:10:47 (permalink)
It would be nice if we could authorise on our existing setup without all the hassle of installation on a different PC. Hopefully, that will come during the week?
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/26 23:48:51 (permalink)
although I can't point you to it, I read that this will be addressed...
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 00:09:16 (permalink)
Bump.

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 00:19:52 (permalink)
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So since my "About" box says "Valid Through ∞" and "Status: Owned", does this mean I don't have to worry about authorization anymore?  Or do I only have to worry about it during machine rebuilds and or new machine installs? 

Obviously, this is confusing for those of us who, you know, only want to make music and actually paid the price of entry (and then some) -- IE, I never bothered looking into it before because I didn't think I had to.


Yes "∞" infinity... so lifetime until the end of time... :) I have it on 5 computers now... some just as backups.
I'm going to snapshot them and make a few full installs on a few hard drives as well.... lol

Hay look,
Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 00:23:19 (permalink)
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Not good news.  I had generated the offline Sonar Plt activation response.dat for another computer I had.  Sonar PLT activated easily and went into full ownership mode.  My wife let me install Sonar PLT on a different computer of hers.  I used the same Activation response.dat file I used for my computer.  NO GO! On her computer, Sonar PLT refuses to activate and sweetly confirms that it is still in DEMO mode. 
 
Hence, on my computers anyway, a Activation Response.dat file WILL NOT activate Sonar PLT on a different computer.  Maybe I will delete Sonar on my first computer, and then see if the Activation Response.dat file will work again on that one. This looks to be very computer specific right now!  
 
 


You don't have to use the off line install, just use the CCC to install it. Then go off line. it runs fine off line.


 
peace!
 

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 12:49:43 (permalink)
I have completed Phase 1- of my tests and it doesn't look good.
The activation IS somehow linked to the Motherboard.
 
However, Phase 2- Is the possibility that the activation is tied in to the project itself.
Sonar uses a project for off line activation. this will be my next test.
 
It should be noted though that Sonar version X3 and earlier (this includes Dimension Pro Rapture, Z3ta 2 and other plug ins). Are challenge and response. Which means as long as you have the Serial and Confirmation code you can use those plug ins for ever.
 
With all this being said, I believe Cakewalk is cooking up an activation code right now so users will be able to enjoy Sonar for years to come (from reading Noel's comments). But I surely cant confirm this, But I doubt they leave us hanging. I just want a fail safe method as a back up. I've always tried to open all doors when something like this happens so why would I start walking by locked doors now. I wont.
 
Stay tuned.

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 18:54:48 (permalink)
Q1.What happens when due to Windows updates, in the future, Sonar gets buggy, and without any new fixes from the bakers?
Q2. Can a Windows PC, run smoothly without updates? What is the workaround for these potential probems/  
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 19:00:03 (permalink)
Noel has updated his announcement with a short FAQ confirming that we'll be issued a patch that will allow us to activate without the internet, if the servers go down. To quote directly:
 
FAQ:
Q. What if the cakewalk site goes down - will we be able to reinstall and activate our software that is paid for and owned?
A. If and when Cakewalk's servers are taken down, we will issue a mechanism to activate software you own, without needing access to the internet. We're working on the mechanics of this and we'll provide more details as available. At present online activation is fully functional.
 
That is right from the official announcement sticky in the forums.

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 19:06:42 (permalink)
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Noel has updated his announcement with a short FAQ confirming that we'll be issued a patch that will allow us to activate without the internet, if the servers go down. To quote directly:
 
FAQ:
Q. What if the cakewalk site goes down - will we be able to reinstall and activate our software that is paid for and owned?
A. If and when Cakewalk's servers are taken down, we will issue a mechanism to activate software you own, without needing access to the internet. We're working on the mechanics of this and we'll provide more details as available. At present online activation is fully functional.
 
That is right from the official announcement sticky in the forums.


Yes, thanks I saw that, just still wondering about the Windows updates in the future, affecting/creating bugs that won't get any fixes?
  
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 19:10:14 (permalink)
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Q1.What happens when due to Windows updates, in the future, Sonar gets buggy, and without any new fixes from the bakers?
Q2. Can a Windows PC, run smoothly without updates? What is the workaround for these potential probems/  



A1. It will be an unusual Windows Update that kills Sonar, but it could happen. At that point, it will be like any other software that no longer has developer support. It will be broken. I am seriously thinking about creating a Windows 7 workstation so I don't have to worry about a windows update doing that.
 
A2. They can, but you have to be wary that there are bugs in Windows that will be exploited unless you keep that machine completely isolated from the Internet and be very careful about Flash Media. The vast majority of Windows updates, even with the rolling feature updates, are Security Patches and vulnerability fixes. 
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 19:14:53 (permalink)
I have confidence they will create an off line activation.
My only problem is having to check this forum every few hours for an update.
 
It reminds me of owning a car that at anytime could stop running even though you have a key in the ignition.
Be nice to have a time frame on when this is coming.

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 19:49:50 (permalink)
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I have confidence they will create an off line activation.
My only problem is having to check this forum every few hours for an update.
 
It reminds me of owning a car that at anytime could stop running even though you have a key in the ignition.
Be nice to have a time frame on when this is coming.


Hey Chuck, how will you/we deal with the bugs that could come up from windows updates in the future as we will not have any more fixes from the bakers?
Can a windows PC remain stable without updates?
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 19:52:33 (permalink)
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Q1.What happens when due to Windows updates, in the future, Sonar gets buggy, and without any new fixes from the bakers?
Q2. Can a Windows PC, run smoothly without updates? What is the workaround for these potential probems/  



A1. It will be an unusual Windows Update that kills Sonar, but it could happen. At that point, it will be like any other software that no longer has developer support. It will be broken. I am seriously thinking about creating a Windows 7 workstation so I don't have to worry about a windows update doing that.
 
A2. They can, but you have to be wary that there are bugs in Windows that will be exploited unless you keep that machine completely isolated from the Internet and be very careful about Flash Media. The vast majority of Windows updates, even with the rolling feature updates, are Security Patches and vulnerability fixes. 


Windows Workstation, any details/how guide/info on that?
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 19:59:56 (permalink)
can a mod please restore my deleted post.
thank you
Never mind

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 19:59:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cactus Music 2017/12/05 22:20:22
Well - I have tested the old instruments like Dimension Pro, Z3TA 2 (Not 2.2) and Rapture that all have a Serial number and Registration code in my account. I installed them on a machine that had never seen Sonar (X and Platinum) on it, and also has no Command Center installed - ever. A complete clean install on a machine that has never seen any Cakewalk stuff on it!
 
All the the programs installed without problem with the serial number. Also - all programs where activated with Registration code (some like Dimension Pro and Rapture had to be run in administrator mode to be able to activate). And worked without any problem in stand-alone mode. This proves that these old install methods are not in any way tied to your computer hardware.
 
Next test was on FL-Studio that was installed on this computer, and all instruments (Rapture, Z3TA 2, Dimension Pro) worked without any problem in a non-Sonar environment. They did not need Sonar or the Command Center to be fully functional.
 
So - the only problem seems to be with the applications that only have a serial number and no Registration number. For those we need a reliable off-line activation in the case the activation servers go off-line. And to be honest - I rather see and get them now, before all Cakewalk assets (including servers) go belly-up.
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 20:00:32 (permalink)
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I have confidence they will create an off line activation.
My only problem is having to check this forum every few hours for an update.
 
It reminds me of owning a car that at anytime could stop running even though you have a key in the ignition.
Be nice to have a time frame on when this is coming.


Hey Chuck, how will you/we deal with the bugs that could come up from windows updates in the future as we will not have any more fixes from the bakers?
Can a windows PC remain stable without updates?


Short answer, yes
Absolutely.
Because Sonar is no longer creating new features (that use new C++ library's, new framework) You will not need new windows updates. However...
There may come a point when a windows updates does something to create a conflict. In this case you'll have to make a corporate decision.

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 20:11:12 (permalink)
chuckebaby
Some of you may be concerned about the servers going down.
To be honest, I think Cakewalk will offer a fix before this happens, so no need for panic.
 
However one can see from the Membership FAQ where you stand as far as the servers going down.
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2016000074/Membership-FAQ
 
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My membership expired, can I still use my software?

This depends on if you officially "own" it.
  • If you paid "upfront" or through the "annual" payment option, then you are given 12 months of updates and automatically own your version of SONAR.
  • If you paid "monthly" or through the "rent-to-own" payment option, then you must complete 12 consecutive payments to obtain ownership status.

How do I check if I "own" my version of SONAR?

Simply launch SONAR and then go to the Help > About menu. If you see the words "Status: owned", then you own it! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
As a simple test:
1- Go to device manager and disable your Wi-Fi, broadband, exc connection or simply unplug your internet.
2- Open Sonar and create a test project and save it.
3- If you are able to save your project then you will be able to use Sonar without the servers for as long as you live.
 

 
If this is what you see then you can not make an Offline authorization. However it is nice to have a back up off line authorization.
If you have another PC install sonar and go through the steps
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013384/Offline-Activation
 
1- After installing SONAR, open the Help menu > Offline Activation > Export Activation Request to open the Save activation request dialog box
2- Select the folder to which you want to save the activation request, then click Save. This generates an activation request file with a .crq extension
3- Copy the .crq file to an online computer (using a USB drive, for example).
4- Open SONAR's Help menu > Offline Activation > Import Activation Response to open the Import activation response dialog box
5- Select the .dat file that you downloaded and click Open. A toast notification will let you know that SONAR is activated and ready to use.
 
This off line authorization will be good for the life of Sonar.



So you are saying we should now believe Cakewalk/Gibson has our back?
Given what I have seen these past few days, it is apparent these people do not have our interest at heart.

Stop dreamming my friend, your coffee is getting cold. :)

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 20:50:22 (permalink)
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Q1.What happens when due to Windows updates, in the future, Sonar gets buggy, and without any new fixes from the bakers?
Q2. Can a Windows PC, run smoothly without updates? What is the workaround for these potential probems/  



A1. It will be an unusual Windows Update that kills Sonar, but it could happen. At that point, it will be like any other software that no longer has developer support. It will be broken. I am seriously thinking about creating a Windows 7 workstation so I don't have to worry about a windows update doing that.
 
A2. They can, but you have to be wary that there are bugs in Windows that will be exploited unless you keep that machine completely isolated from the Internet and be very careful about Flash Media. The vast majority of Windows updates, even with the rolling feature updates, are Security Patches and vulnerability fixes. 


Windows Workstation, any details/how guide/info on that?


Buy a copy of Windows 7 (yes they are still readily available)
After that you have several options open, but if it was me I'd consider building a new computer, patch Win 7 so it's completely up to date, then install SONAR along with whatever 3rd party plugins & instruments you need

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 21:09:53 (permalink)
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Q1.What happens when due to Windows updates, in the future, Sonar gets buggy, and without any new fixes from the bakers?
Q2. Can a Windows PC, run smoothly without updates? What is the workaround for these potential probems/  



A1. It will be an unusual Windows Update that kills Sonar, but it could happen. At that point, it will be like any other software that no longer has developer support. It will be broken. I am seriously thinking about creating a Windows 7 workstation so I don't have to worry about a windows update doing that.
 
A2. They can, but you have to be wary that there are bugs in Windows that will be exploited unless you keep that machine completely isolated from the Internet and be very careful about Flash Media. The vast majority of Windows updates, even with the rolling feature updates, are Security Patches and vulnerability fixes. 


Windows Workstation, any details/how guide/info on that?


Buy a copy of Windows 7 (yes they are still readily available)
After that you have several options open, but if it was me I'd consider building a new computer, patch Win 7 so it's completely up to date, then install SONAR along with whatever 3rd party plugins & instruments you need

Thanks, problem I got is that I am getting a new PC with 7th gen i7, which will only run W10 coz MS put a block in it functioning in W7


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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/27 22:45:52 (permalink)
Amicus717
Noel has updated his announcement with a short FAQ confirming that we'll be issued a patch that will allow us to activate without the internet, if the servers go down. To quote directly:
 
FAQ:
Q. What if the cakewalk site goes down - will we be able to reinstall and activate our software that is paid for and owned?
A. If and when Cakewalk's servers are taken down, we will issue a mechanism to activate software you own, without needing access to the internet. We're working on the mechanics of this and we'll provide more details as available. At present online activation is fully functional.
 
That is right from the official announcement sticky in the forums.


I'm hopeful they go ahead and do this without the "if and when" they are taken down.  There is no reason we should have to wait for some unknown period of time to get the fix we should all have.  In theory this if and when could be years from now.  Since Sonar is a stale product moving forward we shouldn't have to keep in contact so to speak to know when this is happening.  
 
Servers should be up for a while and the no need to phone home activation process should be rolled out ASAP.   
 
I fully understand they would need sometime to develop the solution, but I don't think it is reasonable to wait for the "if and when" to actually happen.  
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/28 07:36:23 (permalink)
I simply am adding a post to this troubling mess in the case someone works it all out, what works, what doesn't.

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/28 14:03:45 (permalink)
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Windows Workstation, any details/how guide/info on that?



I would start with one of the new AMD Ryzen CPUs and an appropriate motherboard. They don't have the OS-Lock that only allows Windows 10. I'll probably go with a moderate SSD for the OS with applications (512 GB), and then a Raid setup for Data. With an offline image of the OS/app drive, so I can restore that if I need to, I should be good. Of course I didn't list all the parts, 32 GB of RAM perhaps, mid tier video - I won't be playing games, but Ryzen doesn't come with on-board graphics that I know of.
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/11/28 14:19:15 (permalink)
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Stop dreamming my friend, your coffee is getting cold. :)


 
Im just looking for a possible solution to help others.
In situations like this you can either try to be productive and help yourself and others or you can be negative and drag others down with you. I tend to stay positive and help myself and others.
 
Audioicon

So you are saying we should now believe Cakewalk/Gibson has our back?
Given what I have seen these past few days, it is apparent these people do not have our interest at heart.
 

 
I do believe they will offer a fix soon but I'm not waiting around for it. That's what this thread is for.
So im not sure how you came to that conclusion.
 
I do wish you the best though in what ever you do.
Good luck.
 

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/12/05 10:14:01 (permalink)
First of all, thanks for yr input, knowledge and passion charlie. I am a novice Plat user and am shocked at the news. Can you tell me if I can do an offline activation for a system I haven't built yet? I'm thinking not from my understanding. thanx Mikl
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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/12/05 11:37:24 (permalink)
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First of all, thanks for yr input, knowledge and passion charlie. I am a novice Plat user and am shocked at the news. Can you tell me if I can do an offline activation for a system I haven't built yet? I'm thinking not from my understanding. thanx Mikl


Unfortunately that is not possible as you need to make an export request from the PC you are trying to register.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help. We just have to wait this one out.(until cakewalk hands out some sort of lifetime authorization to users)

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/12/05 14:35:59 (permalink)
I wonder how long we will have to wait.  A simple Yes that a fix is truly forthcoming would be encouraging. 

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/12/05 17:36:25 (permalink)
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I wonder how long we will have to wait.  A simple Yes that a fix is truly forthcoming would be encouraging. 




I agree, its the only thing concerning me right now.
I can live with the "No more updates" thing. Sure im upset but I don't mind still using Sonar for years to come but I would like some conformation that I will see an offline authorization.
 
All I've heard is "IF the servers go down, we will provide you with an off line activation code"
 
That isn't really good enough for me. If im going to invest anymore time in Sonar I need something solid.

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/12/05 19:19:37 (permalink)
chuckebaby
 
All I've heard is "IF the servers go down, we will provide you with an off line activation code"
 
That isn't really good enough for me. If im going to invest anymore time in Sonar I need something solid.

Exactly.  I can see Gibson saying, "Oh by the way, we shut down the servers a few hours ago", and no one had a chance to arrange for getting the activation codes to us. Cue Armageddon....

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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/12/05 20:16:37 (permalink)
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Exactly.  I can see Gibson saying, "Oh by the way, we shut down the servers a few hours ago", and no one had a chance to arrange for getting the activation codes to us. Cue Armageddon....



You do have to wonder what the distribution plan is for alerting users and getting the keys to them. If the servers are shut down, and presumably the forum servers too then just how will this all be done? Do they even know who is left that needs them?



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Re: Membership FAQ 2017/12/05 20:33:41 (permalink)
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chuckebaby
 
All I've heard is "IF the servers go down, we will provide you with an off line activation code"
 
That isn't really good enough for me. If im going to invest anymore time in Sonar I need something solid.

Exactly.  I can see Gibson saying, "Oh by the way, we shut down the servers a few hours ago", and no one had a chance to arrange for getting the activation codes to us. Cue Armageddon....


Sadly, I can see this as a possibility. I'm looking at the bright side (no one died) (being facetious)... things do change, etc etc, but truly I think Gibson would not hesitate to inconvenience the User base further if something comes up that's a benefit to them and they had to choose good / bad actions...

jambrose@cfl.rr.com  Sonar Plat. Lifetime. Started in Sonar 4, each through 8.5.3PE.
Scarlett 18i202nd gen., Edirol FA-101, M-Audio Firewire 410, AMD Phenom II 1045T six core processor, 8GB DDR3, AMD Radeon HD 6450, dual displays, 1.5 TB SATA HD, USB 2, Firewire 1394A, 1394B, 18/22 mixer, EV Q-66, Yamaha HS50M monitors, few guitars, Fender Cybertwin SE, Fender Cyber foot controller, Boss RC20-XL, misc pedals, etc. Win Home Prem 64 bit.
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