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It would be fun to take one of these and have several different people mix them to see what comes out of it and how they differ!
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2016/12/29 14:57:28 (permalink)
    The full multitrack library is actually here:
    http://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-mtk.htm
    These are great resources to practice with.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2016/12/30 07:18:49 (permalink)
    Thanks Jeff!

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2016/12/31 04:40:02 (permalink)
    Yeah, I've used that resource to help understand more about mixing. Well worth a visit

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2016/12/31 16:10:21 (permalink)
    The cool thing about it is the range of genres available. You can audition the music real quick by listening to the mp3 file and if you like it download the multitrack and then drag the tracks in get going.  The standard of the performances seems to be pretty good.  It pays to practice mixing over a wide range of styles, not just one type.  As a sound engineering teacher I use this resource quite a bit.

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/05 11:10:29 (permalink)
    The original suggestion seems to have been overlooked but I think it's a great idea.  Do you want to pick a track?  I'll certainly give it a go.
     
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/05 17:45:31 (permalink)
    I'm in on giving it a go as well.
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/09 08:18:26 (permalink)
     
    I am thinking to start one of the acoustic types with minimal track count:
    Angels In Amplifiers: 'I'm Alright' Style: Smooth Acoustic Rock 
    Backing Stems:  •  5 stems: 115MB ZIP  •  preview MP3 
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    Full Multitrack:     13 tracks: 285MB ZIP  •  →'Mixing Secrets' Multitrack Library
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    Or maybe:
    James May: 'All Souls Moon' Style: Acoustic Singer-Songwriter
    Backing Stems:  •  4 stems: 102MB ZIP  •  preview MP3 
    Documentation:  •  Cue Sheet  •  Comp Sheet
    Full Multitrack:     16 tracks: 267MB ZIP  •  →'Mixing Secrets' Multitrack Library
     
    That way we get a small track count to work with at first. 
     
    Let's make it interesting...Limit the mix and mastering to only Plugins available within Sonar Platinum.  That way
    anyone who has SPLAT can replicate a session.  It may make it harder, and I know there are great plugins available, but not everyone has them.  By doing this, we can share knowledge with each other. 
     
    Also since we would all be able to download the same tracks, we would only have to share the project level files (I think this will work, but have never tried it).  At least the CWP file, but probably others.  Thoughts?
     
     

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/09 09:14:34 (permalink)
    Sounds good.  Also it would be a good idea to keep a track of any specific mixing decisions or techniques used so we can compare notes at a later date.  I suggest we start out with the "Angels in Amplifiers" track as it has fewer tracks.
     
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/09 09:19:42 (permalink)
    I can't check out these projects at the moment (hi-security firewall, etc), but this sounds like fun.

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/09 09:56:35 (permalink)
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    Sounds good.  Also it would be a good idea to keep a track of any specific mixing decisions or techniques used so we can compare notes at a later date.  I suggest we start out with the "Angels in Amplifiers" track as it has fewer tracks.
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    Sounds great!  I will download these this evening.  Also I plan on NOT listening to their final mix until After I am done.  I don't want to sway my decisions based on what they did.
     

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/11 09:15:30 (permalink)
    Wait for me! I want in. haha
     
    I heard it said that one of the best ways to practice mixing is to create a deadline. It prevents you from over-baking your trax and overall mix. Did you give a "deadline" for completion?
     
    If curious, I'm pretty sure I heard that from . But it was a post from a year or two ago, so I don't remember which video it was on. He's said it a few times over the years, though. It might have also been from his website, though: 
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/11 11:16:20 (permalink)
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    If curious, I'm pretty sure I heard that from . But it was a post from a year or two ago, so I don't remember which video it was on. He's said it a few times over the years, though. It might have also been from his website, though: 




    The forum seems to have swallowed the name and link from your post.  I'm going to take a guess at Graham Cochrane from TheRecordingRevolution.com though.  If not, then there are two people recommending the same :)
     
    I'm not against a deadline but it will have to take into account the fact that some people may have limited time.  Maybe something like a target date rather than a hard deadline.  So everyone tries to get a first mix in by the target date so we can all discuss things while it's fresh in our minds but not stopping anyone from submitting later on if that's what works for them.
     
    Cheers,
     
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/11 13:39:00 (permalink)
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    If curious, I'm pretty sure I heard that from . But it was a post from a year or two ago, so I don't remember which video it was on. He's said it a few times over the years, though. It might have also been from his website, though: 




    The forum seems to have swallowed the name and link from your post.  I'm going to take a guess at Graham Cochrane from TheRecordingRevolution.com though.  If not, then there are two people recommending the same :)
     
    I'm not against a deadline but it will have to take into account the fact that some people may have limited time.  Maybe something like a target date rather than a hard deadline.  So everyone tries to get a first mix in by the target date so we can all discuss things while it's fresh in our minds but not stopping anyone from submitting later on if that's what works for them.
     
    Cheers,
     
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    Yeah, it was Graham. As one who is limited in time, yes!... I completely agree with your suggestion!
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/11 20:34:12 (permalink)
    Alright here it is, this is a two hour (in the studio) mix.
    I'm Alright - Angels in Amplifiers
    I pulled the tracks into SONAR and setup my busses on the office rig.
    Only SONAR plugs.
    Concrete Limiter on the Master Buss.
    Here is Insight's analysis of their mp3

    Insight on my mp3

    I guess now we discuss...
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/12 07:38:18 (permalink)
    Wow, I haven't even had a chance to Download yet.  I really want to listen to your mix Tom, but I am holding off so I can mix my own without any outside influences!
     
    I will try to at least download and get a rough mix tonight...
     

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/12 08:46:18 (permalink)
    I'm also holding off listening until I've finished my own mix.  Hopefully I'll find some time to finish it this evening.
     
    Just a small point, but Concrete Limiter isn't a stock plugin, right?  I guess it doesn't matter too much, but people will have to bear that in mind if we come to sharing actual project files at some point.
     
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/12 09:36:54 (permalink)
    "Just a small point, but Concrete Limiter isn't a stock plugin, right?"
    I know, that and the PC Gate on the Tom's; I couldn't help myself!
    I can put up just the mix if you all feel that's necessary.
    I put up a little page I'm Alright - Angels in Amplifiers - DeeringAmps Mix/master (notice the small "m")
    outlining my approach to the project, screen shot of the CONSOLE.
    I like the tune BTW, got a nice Santana vibe...
     
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/12 13:51:12 (permalink)
    no time to participate, but I listen in ... good tune, interesting first mix ... yet, not taking part, I don't qualify for feedback

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/12 20:03:38 (permalink)
    I, for one, think that taking time to listen qualifies anyone to leave feedback.
    But I've already broken the "rules".
    As for the 2 hour thing, there was talk of a time limit; but I don't think anyone meant 2 hours.
    I had a "slot" yesterday afternoon, and filled it.
    My guess is once a few mixes are up everyone would love to hear your thoughts.
    I love constructive criticism.
     
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/13 10:33:55 (permalink)
    I just downloaded the tracks,and am hoping to find time to mix it.  Like the others, i'm not going to listen to other mixes until I've got my own done.
    As for using Sonar plugins, i'll try.  Honestly, i can't remember where a lot of mine came from.. 

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/14 02:27:08 (permalink)
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    Let's make it interesting...Limit the mix and mastering to only Plugins available within Sonar Platinum. 


    For EQ and compression Platinum got excellent tools on board, but for the room component i.e. carving the proper space you are putting some serious limitation on your workflow

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/14 09:37:43 (permalink)
    I've now realized that I'm really bad at committing to a mix, so to prevent me from getting into an endless cycle of tweaking, I'm just going to post it as it stands.
     
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9nDrfdGqotpRzE5R1dQSkt2QW8/view
     
    Looking forward to hearing everyone else's.
     
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/14 10:31:30 (permalink)
    I just finished my mix: http://www.icompositions....ic/song.php?sid=219803

    Enjoy, critique, enjoy critiquing...
    I didn't focus on mastering, instead aiming for a 2-hour timeline.
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/14 10:32:36 (permalink)
    Well done!
    If I was the singer I'd be much happier with your mix than theirs.
    I feel like in the last 2 choruses their mix lets the vocal start to get "lost".
    Evidently you didn't "squeeze" this mix very much?
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/14 10:55:04 (permalink)
    DeeringAmps,
    That was probably the most commercial mix I've heard so far (1/3). Nice work all around.

    AMB,
    Another solid mix. I agree with DA's comment about favouring the singer. And since that's who non-musicians usually listen to it would be a smart place to focus. Interesting processing on the electric lead parts... I'm not sure if it fits, but I like that it stands out. Takes away from the "Santana-esque" feel that I actually dislike...


    I know this isn't a contest but I'm definitely feeling like an underdog!
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/14 11:09:07 (permalink)
    Slugbaby

    Another solid mix. I agree with DA's comment about favouring the singer. And since that's who non-musicians usually listen to it would be a smart place to focus. Interesting processing on the electric lead parts... I'm not sure if it fits, but I like that it stands out. Takes away from the "Santana-sequel" feel that I actually dislike...



    The decision to highlight the vocal led to the decision to push the electric guitar out to the sides to make room.  The nylon acoustic seems to complement the vocal nicely so I left that in the centre.
     
    I'll comment on other peoples tracks once I've had a chance to listen to them properly.  I like what I'm hearing so far though.
     
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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/21 12:06:11 (permalink)
    I have listened to my own at first...No Others (even the MP3 sample).  I must say I prefer mine to the actual MP3 on the site.  I fell the vocals are not featured enough in the completed version and the bass is over hyped (wich is typical today).  I mixed this a little old school sounding (Like Santana).  Hope you enjoy!
     
    https://soundcloud.com/patm300e/im-alright
     
    I will listen to other mixes from here now!
     
     

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/21 12:32:57 (permalink)
    Tom (DeeringAmps) I like your mix a lot.  It features the vocals better than the original.  I put the backup vocals a little more out front and backed off the reverb on the instruments.  Very easy to listen to and very musical.
     
    Mr. Swift - On my system your mix is a little bass heavy. The bass is almost louder than the vocals (do you play bass?)
    The vocals are nicely done not over treated but stand in there nicely.  Did you not like the electric guitar?  It is gone until the end.  At one point the keys are out there alone until the very end!  Then that electric comes in strong.
    The mix seems a little compressed especially at the beginning.  Or is this a gate?
     
    AntManB - You should commit to mixes more often!  This sounds really full.  About the only thing I would do in your mix is maybe back off the reverb/delay on the lead and carve out EQ holes for the electric guitar and acoustic (Lead) so they stand out more...Just my opinion...
     
     
    I only see three other mixes mine makes 4.  Please critique mine...I want to learn and don't be afraid to tell me what you really think...But don't just say your mix sucks raw eggs, tell me WHY you think it sucks raw eggs and what I can do to fix it!
     

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    Re: Mixing Practice 2017/01/21 12:54:20 (permalink)
    Pat,
    Well done!
    Really like the background vocals.
    Can you post a download link, I'd like to listen to it in the studio.
     
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