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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 02:18:53 (permalink)
I hope it does more than just recording ideas that you can then move to a DAW. The iPhone Voice Recorder is already a quick way to record a demo.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 03:35:00 (permalink)
I for one am excited that they are attempting anything composition related on a mobile platform. The port of Z3TA is great, but I would love a full compositional song writing tool. I'm a huge fan the iPad (or just tablets in general) as it had opened up a word of possibilities for me with both writing and live perform. If Momentum is half as good as Xewton Music Studio and somehow integrates with Sonar I'll be hella excited. I've written a ton of stuff in Music Studio while traveling but it's still a PITA to get it exported, import it as MIDI, clean up the tracks, transpose stuff...on and on it goes. It's understandable if you can't load a Sonar project one-for-one on an iPad, but having general project file compatibility for the basics (say minus 3rd party plugins or other heavy lifting stuff) would be amazeballz!

I just hope it's not a repeat or v2 of ScratchPad...the world needs another loop builder like I need herpes.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 03:35:04 (permalink)
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 04:06:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/10/23 16:22:14
If you have ever tried moving an idea you captured in your IOS environment to a PC or mac or even another device you might be aware of how horribly slow and convoluted that experience is :)
 
We hope that once you try it you will agree that there is nothing out there that has this level of simplicity to capture and access ideas anywhere on any device. Creativity is all about immediacy and being able to capture or access musical ideas without getting bogged down with sharing services and other time consuming cross platform constraints.
 

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 04:34:52 (permalink)
Was excited to see an app announcement, but was sad to see it wasn't a controller for Sonar.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 06:21:38 (permalink)
I would assume the ideas captured in the app are saved somewhere in ' the cloud'. Will there also be a hassle free offline way to  sync these idea's to the DAW? A of members here have their main machine offline.


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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 08:59:15 (permalink)
witty. lol
 
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 12:02:03 (permalink)
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If you have ever tried moving an idea you captured in your IOS environment to a PC or mac or even another device you might be aware of how horribly slow and convoluted that experience is :)
 
We hope that once you try it you will agree that there is nothing out there that has this level of simplicity to capture and access ideas anywhere on any device. Creativity is all about immediacy and being able to capture or access musical ideas without getting bogged down with sharing services and other time consuming cross platform constraints.
 

^^^ this

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 12:04:17 (permalink)
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I'm having a moment. Um.



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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 13:02:20 (permalink)
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I would assume the ideas captured in the app are saved somewhere in ' the cloud'. Will there also be a hassle free offline way to  sync these idea's to the DAW? A of members here have their main machine offline.




Cloud and offline use are not synonymous :) So to sync something you will at least temporarily need to be online on some PC. You could also sync on a different online PC and then bring over that project to your DAW manually using what ever manual method you use today. Once we're close to release we'll have more videos and content to show how seamless the integration with a DAW is.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 13:08:35 (permalink)
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...Creativity is all about immediacy and being able to capture or access musical ideas without getting bogged down...


A staggering number of old-timey "musicians" on this planet use staff notation for this purpose.


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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 13:46:15 (permalink)
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If you have ever tried moving an idea you captured in your IOS environment to a PC or mac or even another device you might be aware of how horribly slow and convoluted that experience is :)
 
We hope that once you try it you will agree that there is nothing out there that has this level of simplicity to capture and access ideas anywhere on any device. Creativity is all about immediacy and being able to capture or access musical ideas without getting bogged down with sharing services and other time consuming cross platform constraints.
 

^^^ this



I can only speak from the experience of moving a recorded Voice Memo track from the iPhone to Sonar.  It is relatively easy to upload from the App, straight to Drop Box, then import directly from Drop Box to Sonar.  If this new App is even easier, that will be very welcome.
 
For the typical guitar playing song writer, what is really needed is an App that incorporates the ability to capture the base guitar track, as a scratch track, that you can move to Sonar.  From there, obviously you will use it as a guide track to record from a better source.  
 
What no one seems to be able to put together as a complete song writers App that has the ability to integrate this with a second track to be used for scratch vocals and then a lyric writing scratch pad.  It would be nice to be able to easily and quickly capture lyric ideas and then quickly demo those to the chord progressions to see how they sound; all before moving the scratch tracks into Sonar.  Most of my lyric ideas get captured at very inconvenient times, quickly by just speaking to Notes on my iPhone of iPad.  Often one line at a time, right in the middle of doing something else, so it has to be quick and easy to capture, before you forget the lyric idea.  
 
Integrating all of this into one simple to use App, that is quick to use would be extremely welcome.  Being able to type/ speak lyrics into an App, while actually listening to the scratch track play would be extremely welcome.  Right now, I have to jump from 3-4 Apps, Voice Memo, Notes, Chord Apps, Rhyming Apps, Thesaurus App, to make it all work and its not convenient at all.  

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 13:55:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TerraSin 2017/09/28 17:07:05
I didn't realize the hurdle to export from iOS until Jim mentioned it a short while ago, so I can certainly see the use on an iOS platform. For android, offloading is the same "Windows Explorer functionality" once the phone is tethered, so it has never been an issue for me (I only own android, no iOS devices). One of those "wait and see" things. The mobile app space is a different playing field, but the Millennials onward are much more apt to do everything in the mobile space (if possible).

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 14:04:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/09/28 14:10:20
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...Creativity is all about immediacy and being able to capture or access musical ideas without getting bogged down...


A staggering number of old-timey "musicians" on this planet use staff notation for this purpose.


1950s'd


A pencil and staff paper is pretty bogged down to me ..
 
we are a right now society no patience
 
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 14:18:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ham N Egz 2017/09/28 18:07:57
I follow the Mitch Hedburg rule.  I try and keep a pad and pencil or my phone handy in case I get an idea for a new song.  But if I think of one when they are not around...I just convince myself my idea's not that good anyway.
 

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 16:31:57 (permalink)
i could've sworn ryan or someone said they wouldn't do any more ios stuff?

just a sec

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 17:12:16 (permalink)
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I didn't realize the hurdle to export from iOS until Jim mentioned it a short while ago, so I can certainly see the use on an iOS platform. For android, offloading is the same "Windows Explorer functionality" once the phone is tethered, so it has never been an issue for me (I only own android, no iOS devices). One of those "wait and see" things. The mobile app space is a different playing field, but the Millennials onward are much more apt to do everything in the mobile space (if possible).

iOS is something I never consider as I too am Android only for mobile devices. When Noel posted his comment, my first response was "Are you kidding me? It takes seconds" but I can see how things might be a little different for iOS since Apple's unofficial slogan seems to be "make it as difficult as possible while keeping things simple" or more recently, "we've got a dongle for that!"
 
I'm really hoping this is a step in the right direction and works well.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 17:23:27 (permalink)
IOS doesn't take any longer than Android. Upload to Drop Box, then Import to Sonar directly from Drop Box. It's very simple and easy.

I am excited to see what Cakewalk has come up with as well.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 17:25:30 (permalink)
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I didn't realize the hurdle to export from iOS until Jim mentioned it a short while ago, so I can certainly see the use on an iOS platform. For android, offloading is the same "Windows Explorer functionality" once the phone is tethered, so it has never been an issue for me (I only own android, no iOS devices).

+1
I have used default sound recorder on my Android phone for "memos". The transfer was never the problem, but the interface shown in the video looks much better for the purpose. Lets see what is the "price" of this toy in terms of:
a) hardware requirements (my phone is very old)
b) the possibility to work offline (from the app perspective, so just saving things locally in a way explorer can deal with it... I mean if everything is in one folder with cryptic file names, that is not good)
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 17:36:07 (permalink)
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IOS doesn't take any longer than Android. Upload to Drop Box, then Import to Sonar directly from Drop Box. It's very simple and easy.


it does take longer, with android you can plug a device into a pc usb port and it shows up as an external hd, no logins, no internet, no special software...

just a sec

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 18:08:49 (permalink)
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IOS doesn't take any longer than Android. Upload to Drop Box, then Import to Sonar directly from Drop Box. It's very simple and easy.


it does take longer, with android you can plug a device into a pc usb port and it shows up as an external hd, no logins, no internet, no special software...




Have to completely agree...
Android... you simply drag/drop and you're done.
You have direct access to your files... and can do whatever you'd like.
 
With Apple:
Dropbox works... but is not nearly as simple/elegant as direct access to your files.  
Why should I need iTunes or Dropbox to access *my* files?
Convolution for convolution's sake...  

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 19:06:29 (permalink)
Well, I just sent a file to Drop Box from my iPhone and it took less than 3 seconds, so I don't see this as being that slow.   It's literally faster than I could plug in a Lighting cord.  I am always logged in.  Yes, you have to have an internet connection to down load, but not to up load from iPhone. 
 
It's not inconvenient because I already use DB for business and it links all of my computers at once.  The band I work with also uses DB and Google for file sharing on collabs.  
 
So maybe not as elegant, but pretty simple in my view.  I guess to each his own.  

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 19:22:14 (permalink)
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I follow the Mitch Hedburg rule.  I try and keep a pad and pencil or my phone handy in case I get an idea for a new song.  But if I think of one when they are not around...I just convince myself my idea's not that good anyway.
 

 
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 19:30:32 (permalink)
I think this is going to be a whole lot more than just syncing files to the cloud, in terms of organizational features that are geared toward capturing and arranging musical ideas. Nobody's going to buy an app just to sync files, so it's obviously above and beyond that. 
 
It looks quite interesting to me. I often have time to kill between jobs or appointments when I'm sat around in a coffee shop either blindly looking at social media or reading a book. So maybe this will give me one more time killing option, one that's actually useful. 
 
I always think it's strange how people dismiss stuff like this before they've even seen what it is. 
 
And as for anyone being surprised that it features Ableton in the teaser and not Sonar - well this is clearly geared to be independent of any particular DAW. So if they have to show a DAW in the promotion, they might as well show one that's popular with Millennials. They are, after all, the biggest market for mobile apps. Might be a good way of herding some non-Sonar users into the Cakewalk stable anyway. I presume that whomever buys and registers with this app is going to be getting a ton of Cakewalk promotions directed toward their inbox. 
 

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 21:12:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/09/28 21:23:00
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 I presume that whomever buys and registers with this app is going to be getting a ton of Cakewalk promotions directed toward their inbox. 
 





 
I'm not sure whether to admire your optimism or laugh at it. There are many folks on these forums that have been practically begging CW to send them emails for years who still never get them. 
 
As for the "teaser".....about as alluring as a video of Bapu playfully tugging at his week old undershreddies IMO.
 
 
 
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 21:24:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/10/01 15:08:49
Note to self: Improve quality of videos for paulo.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/28 21:45:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/09/30 18:04:40
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Note to self: Improve quality of videos for paulo.




Or stop sending them.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/29 05:01:44 (permalink)
:)

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/29 06:28:57 (permalink)
what's with the "scratchy old film" effect?
definitely ableton live @ 0:28

just a sec

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