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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/30 04:28:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby garrett.scroggin 2017/10/17 20:58:27
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/30 04:35:07 (permalink)
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...Creativity is all about immediacy and being able to capture or access musical ideas without getting bogged down...

A staggering number of "musicians" on this planet use staff notation for this purpose.



A staggering number of people drag and drop loops all day long and think they are "musicians."

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/30 04:44:01 (permalink)
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For the typical guitar playing song writer, what is really needed is an App that incorporates the ability to capture the base guitar track, as a scratch track, that you can move to Sonar.  From there, obviously you will use it as a guide track to record from a better source. 



I am no a guitar playing song-writer, but what you describe makes good sense.  Anything that will fit into your natural  workflow and get a better result faster is worth something.
 
But I am trying to envision how such a thing would actually save time.  When I have ideas, I just sing them into a note-taking app on my phone.  If they still sound worthwhile in a few days, then I will develop it further.  But I can't see any way those recordings would do me any good moved into a DAW.  Now if the "data collection app" had a metronome, and maybe some ability to play basic grooves, then the recording could be a useful guide track.
 
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.  There are many different approaches to writing songs. So the world might welcome many different apps into this space.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/30 17:19:14 (permalink)
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Now if the "data collection app" had a metronome, and maybe some ability to play basic grooves, then the recording could be a useful guide track.

If you pause the video at 0:27, you can see it is multitrack app. 0-0.27, on top, you see "mix view", metronome (not shown), effects section (shown, with a kind of EQ,Comp,Reverb.). So I guess that is a bit more that a "data collection app" or even "audio collection app".

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/30 17:50:01 (permalink)
Will it run on a Mac?

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/30 18:06:22 (permalink)
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Will it run on a Mac?


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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/30 21:45:09 (permalink)
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...Creativity is all about immediacy and being able to capture or access musical ideas without getting bogged down...

A staggering number of "musicians" on this planet use staff notation for this purpose.



A staggering number of people drag and drop loops all day long and think they are "musicians."




Like who? Have you actually met someone who makes music by merely dragging and dropping loops? I hear a lot of people claim this and yet I've never met a single one!
 

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/09/30 23:50:57 (permalink)
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Like who? Have you actually met someone who makes music by merely dragging and dropping loops? I hear a lot of people claim this and yet I've never met a single one!
 



There are all sorts of people in my area doing hiphop grooves this way. They aren't too likely to get rich and famous this way, but they are trying to sell their stuff.
 
If people didn't do this, then why did all the DAW vendors built this feature.?

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/01 01:12:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby michaelhanson 2017/10/01 15:28:22
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If you have ever tried moving an idea you captured in your IOS environment to a PC or mac or even another device you might be aware of how horribly slow and convoluted that experience is :)



Actually, moving project between an iOS device and a Mac has not been an issue for quite some time, thanks to GarageBand. ;)
 
There's also apps like Music Memos which offer the same level of integration with GB and Logic. 
https://www.apple.com/music-memos/
 
And thanks to AirDrop, you can easily drop files from one device to another without the need for physical connexion or online storage. 
 
Incidentally, my phone is an Android and I use Bluetooth to drag and drop files to and from it on my Mac all the time, so I'm not exactly sure where the difficulty lies - unless it's essentially a Windows-related limitation.
 
That being said, I'm curious to learn more about Momentum - in spite of the hipster teaser. ;)

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/01 02:35:59 (permalink)
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Incidentally, my phone is an Android and I use Bluetooth to drag and drop files to and from it on my Mac all the time, so I'm not exactly sure where the difficulty lies - unless it's essentially a Windows-related limitation.

I would have thought it is less about the act of moving WAV files from one platform to another and more about having the file actually be useful when it arrives on the DAW.  I guess we will find out soon enough.
 

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/01 02:45:32 (permalink)
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Like who? Have you actually met someone who makes music by merely dragging and dropping loops? I hear a lot of people claim this and yet I've never met a single one!
 



There are all sorts of people in my area doing hiphop grooves this way. They aren't too likely to get rich and famous this way, but they are trying to sell their stuff.
 
If people didn't do this, then why did all the DAW vendors built this feature.?




Build what feature though? The ability to drag a sound file into a track? 
 
The thing is though, loops are used extensively in modern music. But that doesn't mean that they're just dropped into a track "as is" and boom, you're done in 5 minutes. There's usually a whole lot of manipulation going on - slicing, rearranging, pitch shifting and a whole host of other techniques used to take the raw material of a loop and incorporate it in a track as something completely different. 
 
And even in terms of just using loops as they are, there's an art to that too, the same way as there's an art to DJ'ing and mixing up two or three different songs into something completely different. You have to have a really good ear and know your material inside and out. DJ Shadow's "Endtroducing" from 1996 was a masterpiece in the art of taking samples from multiple records and sequencing them together into whole new pieces. 
 
Besides, I hear a lot of budding singer songwriters bashing out the same old chords over and over again with the same old strumming pattern and really hackneyed, obvious melodies on the top. I guess that's almost the equivalent of just throwing loops together 
 

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/01 02:54:42 (permalink)
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Incidentally, my phone is an Android and I use Bluetooth to drag and drop files to and from it on my Mac all the time, so I'm not exactly sure where the difficulty lies - unless it's essentially a Windows-related limitation.

I would have thought it is less about the act of moving WAV files from one platform to another and more about having the file actually be useful when it arrives on the DAW.  I guess we will find out soon enough.
 




That of course would be an appreciable feature, which I suppose could be achieved via OMF or something similar, like AAF, which is already implement in Auria.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/01 04:20:58 (permalink)
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Like who? Have you actually met someone who makes music by merely dragging and dropping loops? I hear a lot of people claim this and yet I've never met a single one!
 



There are all sorts of people in my area doing hiphop grooves this way. They aren't too likely to get rich and famous this way, but they are trying to sell their stuff.
 
If people didn't do this, then why did all the DAW vendors built this feature.?




It's fantastic for commercials and soundtracks where timings can be fluid up to the last minute. With stretchable loops, it's easier to do hit points. SONAR's ability to create and edit loops is one of the many reasons I use it.
 
As to EDM and such, Sharke is right, there's usually (but not always) a lot of manipulation going on. It's like collage...seems easy in theory, but is difficult in practice.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/01 15:16:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/10/13 08:44:31
yeah, manipulation


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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/01 15:35:21 (permalink)
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If you have ever tried moving an idea you captured in your IOS environment to a PC or mac or even another device you might be aware of how horribly slow and convoluted that experience is :)



Actually, moving project between an iOS device and a Mac has not been an issue for quite some time, thanks to GarageBand. ;)
 
There's also apps like Music Memos which offer the same level of integration with GB and Logic. 
https://www.apple.com/music-memos/
 
And thanks to AirDrop, you can easily drop files from one device to another without the need for physical connexion or online storage. 
 
Incidentally, my phone is an Android and I use Bluetooth to drag and drop files to and from it on my Mac all the time, so I'm not exactly sure where the difficulty lies - unless it's essentially a Windows-related limitation.
 
That being said, I'm curious to learn more about Momentum - in spite of the hipster teaser. ;)


Excellent, Music Memos might be what I have been searching for.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/09 07:17:56 (permalink)
I'm curious now as to when we might actually see what this is and how it works. Not sure why we got an email if this is too early in development to show sooner than later.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/09 14:15:39 (permalink)
Speculation about a product we actually know nothing about is good.  It lets the bakers know what their users would like when given a blank slate and a few clues.  But speculating about how bad what you don't know about is like depending on Alanis Morrissette for a definition of ironic.
 
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/09 16:08:22 (permalink)
TerraSin Not sure why we got an email if this is too early in development to show sooner than later.


to generate some hype and anticipation... kind of risky though cough-sonarmacversion-cough

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/09 16:24:18 (permalink)
Semi-OT, I just got an LG V30 for its media capabilities and storage capacity (can swap microSD cards up to 2TB although none exist in that size yet). ADCs (on multiple mics) run up to 24 bit/192KHz and are quite sensitive. The built-in app has a Studio mode (Overdubbing) to run output through phones while recording. I have not tested this feature yet, but was nicely surprised that manufacturers are finally catching on.

It makes me curious if Momentum can tap the HD audio on this device. I already have a built-in app, recording controls, and a USB 3 connection port.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/09 17:41:26 (permalink)
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to generate some hype and anticipation... kind of risky though cough-sonarmacversion-cough

The problem with generating hype too early is that people forget or get bored. Better to start generating it about a month before release and to continue providing more information every week to keep people interested.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/12 00:51:43 (permalink)
I wonder if the Bakers will change the name
 
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/12 01:25:28 (permalink)
Also... The announcement kinda lost steam so...

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/12 01:35:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TerraSin 2017/10/12 02:00:56
Momentum gone.

Point n'est besoin d'entreprendre pour espérer, ni de persévérer pour réussir.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/12 10:00:13 (permalink)
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Momentum gone.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/13 05:54:45 (permalink)
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Also... The announcement kinda lost steam so...



How does a one-off announcement lose steam? 

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/13 05:56:06 (permalink)
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How does a one-off announcement lose steam? 


It was a momentum joke.

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/13 08:36:01 (permalink)
Or a Steam one.

Point n'est besoin d'entreprendre pour espérer, ni de persévérer pour réussir.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/13 15:15:18 (permalink)
Gotta open the valve more.
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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/13 17:37:07 (permalink)
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How does a one-off announcement lose steam? 


It was a momentum joke.




Y'see, you have to be more direct for my slow brain to get a joke. Now if you'd said "the announcement lost momentum," I would have gotten that 

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Re: Momentum for iOS/Android/Mac/Win/VST/AU/AAX by Cakewalk 2017/10/13 20:30:17 (permalink)
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How does a one-off announcement lose steam? 


It was a momentum joke.




Y'see, you have to be more direct for my slow brain to get a joke. Now if you'd said "the announcement lost momentum," I would have gotten that 


Even I would have gotten that juan two James.

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