Most Arrogant Posts - Who has em?

I just noticed that CJ is approaching 15,000. John is a tad under 10,000.

Interesting.
Also interesting to note that many users of cakewalk feel the forum here is a joke.
Interesting to see that many users who left Sonar complained about the user base as being out of touch with reality, having to argue about bugs instead of getting solutions.
I'm not surprised.
How much money have you two cost Sonar?

ORIGINAL: 21doors

I just noticed that CJ is approaching 15,000. John is a tad under 10,000.

Interesting.
Also interesting to note that many users of cakewalk feel the forum here is a joke.
Interesting to see that many users who left Sonar complained about the user base as being out of touch with reality, having to argue about bugs instead of getting solutions.
I'm not surprised.
How much money have you two cost Sonar?

John has had a lot of useful posts and has been around a long time. I don't know what to say about some others. Seems like they have the answer to everything and it's not important that it is the right answer. The most annoying thing is that that they can't simply admit when they are wrong. Their image is more important to them than drawing the right conclusion. Could you imagine being in a band with a guy with an ego like that? That's why I have so few posts. Every now and then I come back and get irritated by some of these cats and I leave again for a few months. The coffee shop got banned so now XX and others have made a joke out of the main forum. You can still get a lot done here and I think it's the best all around music forum that I frequent but I have to admit that ghijkmnop was a really sweet guy even though he had a high post count and he was always the first one to admit who the real music guys were when you needed help. He was a geek and good with computers. But hey, there are annoying people everywhere you go--not just on forums.

many users of cakewalk feel the forum here is a joke.

Could you post a link to that poll?

One thing I've noticed is that there are some items people really like, whereas other places in similar subject forums, they get slammed. Harbal and Ozone are great examples of what I'm talking about. This place seems more receptive to the various "tools", and I like that. Reading about negative comments about something and nothing to make the opinions have any credibility are useless. If I went to CJ's[music] site and his music totally sucked, I could care less about his opinions. I disagreed with him a fair amount at times. but at least like a politician I can dig into his history and see if he knows what the heck he is talking about.
When people slam the VC-64 and all you can trust is their printed word, it's useless in my opinion.

That said, there are some I'd like to hear their Sonar tunes so I can decide whether to skip their posts or not.
But......I'll take the [invaluable] Sonar operation tips from those "anonoymous" ones!!

I have to confess that I haven't always enjoyed the limited interaction I've had on these forums, and have found myself wincing as I read the coarse responses that other posters have received.

It's not unique to this forum (gearslutz is apparently visited solely by escaped mental patients), but there is one thing that exacerbates things. The folks with the highest post counts are often those who feel the need to chime in on every thread, even if (especially if?) they have nothing constructive to add.

Having said that, this thread can't lead to anything good.

No one here is as annoying as me.
Because no one here is as good as me.
Everyone else is annoyed because they're not as good as me.
But those who are not annoyed are also not as good as me....and not as annoyed.
Annoying people are always made more annoying by not being as good as me.

'Cept BitFlipper....he's pretty freekin' cool.

ORIGINAL: 21doors

I just noticed that CJ is approaching 15,000. John is a tad under 10,000.

How much money have you two cost Sonar?

Bit harsh I think 21doors.

I think you've singled out CJ and John because of their high post counts - not because of their contribution to the forum. To me that's a non-sequitor, there are many contributors who may or may not fit the criteria you mention, why not name and shame them too?

I don't agree with your criteria anyway, and in any case we're all capable of discerning the wheat from the chaff and hey, just check out these guys' track record of giving advice - you might not like their style but you can't deny their contribution to the overall knowledge base of the community.

As for the content of these forums being the cause of people leaving SONAR and thereby costing the company money I can resolutely state that in my case the exact opposite is the case. I've been using Cakewalk's Guitar Tracks for a while now and only recently upgraded to SONAR Home Studio 6XL.

One of the main reasons I did spend my money is because of the forums on this site. The wealth of knowledge available that is given freely is worth any number of manuals and tutorials. Knowing that I'm bound to run into any number of problems with my new software that just aren't covered by the official help and knowing that I'm virtually 100% certain of getting a solution in here is why I stuck with Cakewalk, and am likely to continue to.

Steve

ORIGINAL: Paul Russell

Most arrogant posts? Probably mine

I have to admit that ghijkmnop was a really sweet guy even though he had a high post count and he was always the first one to admit who the real music guys were when you needed help. He was a geek and good with computers.

Jeff (ghijkmnop) set up his own forum and a lot of us went there. The songs forum there is brutal but accurate and the politics forum is full of liberals. (which is a good thing)

I like the last part :)

ORIGINAL: SteveStrummerUK

ORIGINAL: 21doors

I just noticed that CJ is approaching 15,000. John is a tad under 10,000.

How much money have you two cost Sonar?

Bit harsh I think 21doors.

I think you've singled out CJ and John because of their high post counts - not because of their contribution to the forum. To me that's a non-sequitor, there are many contributors who may or may not fit the criteria you mention, why not name and shame them too?

I don't agree with your criteria anyway, and in any case we're all capable of discerning the wheat from the chaff and hey, just check out these guys' track record of giving advice - you might not like their style but you can't deny their contribution to the overall knowledge base of the community.

As for the content of these forums being the cause of people leaving SONAR and thereby costing the company money I can resolutely state that in my case the exact opposite is the case. I've been using Cakewalk's Guitar Tracks for a while now and only recently upgraded to SONAR Home Studio 6XL.

One of the main reasons I did spend my money is because of the forums on this site. The wealth of knowledge available that is given freely is worth any number of manuals and tutorials. Knowing that I'm bound to run into any number of problems with my new software that just aren't covered by the official help and knowing that I'm virtually 100% certain of getting a solution in here is why I stuck with Cakewalk, and am likely to continue to.

Steve

I have to agree with you there Steve. Although I might not have worded it as you did....that's the difference between some of us Yanks that tread softly, and the UK guys that are up front and tell it like it is I suppose. ;) That's not meant to be a cut on you, it's something I've come to respect to be quite honest. But that said, I think this is where some of the problems may be. No matter what we say or type, someone could quite possibly get the idea all wrong. We have language barriers, slangs, certain things that get people upset in one country that won't get others upset in another....lack of emotion in text, lact of tact, and of course, the sarcastic remarks that fly that are intended to maybe stir some stuff up.

But I too thought this was a bit harsh, and I'm actually a 21doors fan. I've had some good discussions with him and he's a pretty straight up guy. I've had a few discussions with John also and think highly of the dude and have seen him jump at the chance to help someone at all times. I've not ever talked to CJ, but same with him....if he knows what your problem can be and he can help remedy it, he's the first to jump right on. But the one thing those guys have in common is they are short, sweet and to the point...unlike myself who writes a novel with every post to make sure I've explained myself and hopefully didn't ruffle any feathers while doing so. I have seen a few questionable tones from them a few times in a post, but I think some of that has to do with being helpful and also having frustration.

If you think about it, it's almost a slap in the face to have messages in our forum here that say "read this before posting" and people just ask the same Creative Sh!tblaster questions and don't even give their system specs or search for the answers on the board. It's almost to the point of being so lazy, it brings on frustration. Instead of me getting upset, I tend to ignore those posts. There is just about nothing that can't be found in this forum by using search, and the more info a person can provide, the better and faster they can possibly resolve their problems.

In all my years here, I've never had a question go unanswered. People like Jim R, altimaboy, John, CJ, bittflipper, Jose, Marah, Lance, Papa, and Susan G to name a few, have really come to be helpful to me in reading their information. They all have different styles in which they give information, but I think it's all on how the original poster really poses the questions and what tone he or she uses. If you ask a question and it's in depth and has all the right information, chances are one of those people (or several others) are going to give you a courteous answer in a few hours or less. If an OP comes on here with an attitude or can't post the question the right way, then they are going to basically get handled the same way they spoke out. To be honest, I have felt John and CJ have been way more compassionate with their responses than I've seen in past posts. But I can't hold anything against them or anyone else here. I can't judge others on how they may have treated other people. If I post a question and it gets answered and the answers I received not only helped me, but were not fecetious, (which they never have been from anyone) this forum served its purpose. I really believe it's all in the delivery and the tone poster takes. Some like myself feel the need to try and tread softly and give a person the benefit of the doubt, while others may feel a need to lash out on them due to ignorance.

If you think about it, the things that set people off in here are when they try to push an opinion on someone and have a bad tone while going about something. Sure I've seen quite a few posts that maybe should have been thought out a bit differently, but I've also seen some major advice and time spent on helping others....even if a few members may have gotten off on the wrong foot. Like I always say, we're all stuck in this world together at the end of the day...we might as well make the best of it and help each other. There are no secrets, and there is enough to go around for everyone. Strength numbers I say! ;)

ORIGINAL: 21doors

I just noticed that CJ is approaching 15,000. John is a tad under 10,000.

Interesting.

Here's what's "interesting"...

It should be noted that "John" has been a forum member for nearly five years. His current current "count" (as of my posting this) is just over 9100 posts. Let's see, 365 days/year X 4.8333 {4 5/6 years}=1764.1545 days...Since we didn't include "Leap Year" let's just round it off to 1765 days. Now then, 9167 posts/1765 days = an average of 5.193 posts per day. WOW! "John" has been spending TOO much time around here!

CJ's "exorbitant" post count is a different story. Some forumites who have been around here much longer than the OP might remember a "promotion" that offered a free upgrade to the next SONAR release (I don't recall which one or which year). The promotion was tied into the number of posts on the forums during a specific time (again, I don't recall the details because it wasn't something I was interested in attempting, nor did I have the time to do so).

CJ spent countless hours "upping" his post count in hopes of winning. He didn't win but his post count is WAY up there as a result. Maybe mpw he's shooting for the 20,000 mark in hopes of getting SONAR 10 at no cost?

Also interesting to note that many users of cakewalk feel the forum here is a joke.

Those who feel that way are entitled to their opinions and are free to seek help with Cakewalk products elsewhere if they so desire.

Interesting to see that many users who left Sonar complained about the user base as being out of touch with reality, having to argue about bugs instead of getting solutions.

Speaking of "interesting", it WOULD be interesting to me to see some valid numbers supporting your assumptions. To the best of my knowledge, the vast majority of users who are "out of touch with reality" are the users who refuse to accept facts about their DAW systems (and how said systems are configured by the user) being the cause for many of the problems they've experienced.

I feel quite safe in stating that, in my experience around these here parts, there are many forum members who go out of their way trying to help find solutions to perceived "bug" issues. The "arguing about bugs" to which I think you refer is usually a result of veteran users not being able to replicate the error on their own systems. I've rarely read any legitimate members' posts totally denying the existence of a potential "bug" (other than the obvious ones like, "I can't hear audio. What's wrong with SONAR? Why can't they fix this bug?", etc.,).

How much money have you two cost Sonar?

My guess would be not a cent. On the other hand, I wonder how much money some of the cynics and perpetual whiners, who complain about every little thing they can think of while rarely adding any helpful advice, have cost SONAR.

For the record, I initially read this thread early this morning and chose not to reply at the time. After careful consideration I decided to add my opinions as well as some clarification details of the abnormally high post counts cited in the original post of the thread.

ORIGINAL: 21doors
Interesting. Waaaa waaa.. booo hoo hoo
I'm not surprised.
cry cry cry

ORIGINAL: 21doors

I just noticed that CJ is approaching 15,000. John is a tad under 10,000.

Interesting.
Also interesting to note that many users of cakewalk feel the forum here is a joke.
Interesting to see that many users who left Sonar complained about the user base as being out of touch with reality, having to argue about bugs instead of getting solutions.
I'm not surprised.
How much money have you two cost Sonar?

How many users feel the forum is a joke?
How many users left and made that remark of the user base?
And how do you support the count if you can supply one?

If you can't answer these simple questions then what is one to think about your post?
Your state of surprise and interest of Sonar's expenses -I have no concern about.

Hope you can support the claims (you're obviously interested in). If not that puts the score very high for CJ and John and zero for you in helping me get answers. And don't get mad...you brought it up.

My posts aren't arrogant - they're just better than yours.

Seriously, though I agree 100% with spacey. You may not like John and CJ's post count or CJ's brash responses, but they have helped out a lot of Sonar users. I can't say the same thing for many of the people that feel the need to attack them. John in particular is one of this forum's greatest assets IMO.

Spacey
You will be hearing from my lawyers. Your name infringes on mine.

Post counts indicate an individual's level of participation and nothing more, yet every now and then someone claims additional meaning in post counts they discovered in a logic that usually tells more about the poster's psyche than it does about the ones he or she is attempting to analyze.

This time the extra meaning is an arrogance level. The more one posts, the more arrogant one is, supposedly. Why not change the label to Arrogance Level? Silly -- if you take this attitude to its logical conclusion, no one would get any help around here. About the only meaning one can take from a high post count is that person's desire to share something here. To me, that's not arrogance. Perhaps we have different definitions? The one I use is based on an "I'm worth more than you" attitude, and is defined in any dictionary. Replying to someone's cry for help here demonstrates just the opposite character trait in my book -- service to fellow Sonar users.

I've read all kinds of posts on these forums -- frustrated and angry posts, stupid and silly posts, as well as those posts that attempt to help, whether or not these posts are on the mark or off it, they're attempting to help. But frankly, I haven't read very many arrogant posts here--on the contrary, in many posts the user claims his/her inferiority and begs for help. In general this forum does a lot of business helping users figure out that extremely complex application called Sonar.

A while back I turned off the display of icons, avatars, and post counts. Did you know that you can do this? Then you can evaluate each piece of information you read based on its quality and not its source. Check your profile settings if you too can't be bothered with this kind of info.