I love sonar X1 - 

it works for me

It is better than Cats the musical - I am going to use it again and again

yeah check out darkside you wont be dissapointed

Mick Moreau
With the help of the X-1 Power book I was able to get a lot done much faster than I thought.

Thanks, Mick! Working with SONAR X1 is definitely a lot more fun when you know how to use it and having a guide can definitely help.

Scott

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I don't know how anyone "experienced" can be immediately appalled at X1's basic GUI. It's very similar to Protools.

Minus the bugs (that I still get with X1b, no real game-breakers though), I totally love this DAW.

X1 is awesome. It is sick!! I love it. I am sure I will never learn to use all the features they have crammed into X1 but it is good to know that they are there if I ever need them. I finished X1 Explained from Groove 3 last night and there were a few things toward the end that were (to me) like the adults talking in some Peanuts/Charlie Brown cartoon... (wah waa waaa whaaa wha waaaa) but when I get to the point where I need the functions, I am sure I will figure it out and I'll be glad they are there. I am going to start the Tips and Tricks videos today and install the Octa-Capture.
Not liking X1 is not an option for me. I comitted to it and I am going to learn it and love it, failure is not an option... neither is not liking it.
I LOVE it!!!
 
Julien
 
 

the worflow is a vast improvement for me.  sorry you don't like it but i'm glad they made the changes....

Bub

Jimbo 88

It just seems like these type of threads are not ligit.  Someone shows up with no posts claiming "DAW X" is way better.

Smells like radu is just marketing someone else's product.

It's comments like this that drive people away from here who have legitimate concerns that may provide input to make the software better.

Would it have been more legit to you if Frank Haas started the thread? He agreed with the OP but he's been here since 2005? He jumped right on it, first response to the OP, but I don't see you putting him down?

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BS BUB!  that's all I have to say..When someone has a problem and comes to the forum everyone tries to help.  When someone comes to sell another product it is very obvious.  Sorry you don't like the way things are going.

I like X1, even with all it's Xtra clicks.

I tried the matrix view once. All I saw was Keanu Reeves.

garrigus


SONAR X1 is very capable of competing with all the other DAWs out there as long as you take the time to learn the new workflow.

Scott

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Scott R. Garrigus
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://www.garrigus.com/
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://www.proaudiotutor.com/
* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/
* Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/

 
Actually I don't think it is!!!! For one where is VST 3 and I know I will be hounded down for this but, from what I am reading (I am yet to make the change but I will in the future because of the new functions in Cubase) VST 3 creams all over VSt 2.  For one when the VST instrument or effect is not in use it turns off using less CPU.  Now I don't know about you I think this is a big step forward.  Secondly VST 3 allows you to use any effect that uses the VST 3 protocol as a multi-in out plug-in, meaning you don't have to have special 5.1 plugs.  I think those two things alone creams VST2 and Sonar.
 
Not enough have you seen the new score interface and new extended functions in the piano roll, to be able to write in legato strings and individually change notes so it starts off soft, then gets louder, then legato it into the next string.  Ok I am not explaining it very well but I think you get my point, being able to edit individual notes so they behave in a more realistic manner is the holy grail!!!!.
 
Sonar has sold us down the river!!!! but, but once they admit what they have done which is reposition itself in the DAW market and once they come clean and say now Sonar X1 has been designed with a specific purpose in mind, that is a product that is similar to live but even now way superior to Alberton (ok they have to fix the audio engine) then I can forgive the company because as a live instrument SONAR will cream anything else but lets get this straight, it is and has been designed for that purpose.  They have said so with the latest round of advertising, although they also say you can use it as a studio but as I say it is not a studio instrument anymore.
 
This is the fundamental that we are not getting and understanding, we and me included complain about various DAW's and their flaws but we need to look at this concept at little different. 
 
One DAW are instruments, not just something to record with and not just something to mix or compose on.  It is an entire eco system if we include the computer and interface.  This is why you have so many angry customers; it's like asking Mozart who has learnt the violin knows the shape of the violin and knows all the nuances of that instrument.  Mozart's violin breaks, he goes to the music store asks for a violin and the store owner says they no longer make that sort of violin, here is the new one.
 
Imagine Mozart a great violinist having to reacquaint himself with this strange and new instrument, I think you get my drift.
 
If we understand that concept, which is the one of the DAW as an instrument the next logical step is to start looking at each DAW as a different sounding studio.  So just as in the 60's we had ABBEY ROAD, Trident and lets say Capital.  We now have Logic, Cubase and Sonar.
 
So whilst I do not like the fact that Sonar has sold us down the river, I can understand the reason.  I just want Sonar now to put everything right by GIVING US SOME TRUTH.  If as I believe Sonar are heading the way I have stated, that is Sonar is becoming a live/studio crossover.  Then focus on the live instrument, fix the audio engine and give Alberton a run for its money but don't leave us 8.5 users in the mud.  Give us two products, I am happy to use X1 in the future when I start to design a live show but for serious composition I will have to turn to Cubase, it is just a pity that Sonar has the best mixing interface in the business and it is a pity that it has now been planted in the Multi-Dock and not a separate screen that I could easily access by a simple push of a button.
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Well that was a bizarre rant for a first post BenMMusTech. "Sold us down the river"? Seriously? As far as I know that means 'cheated' or 'betrayed' and I don't think CW have done any such thing. They run a business, they sell software, if you like it you can buy it, but you're not obliged to or anything - and they are certainly under no obligation to design their software or run their business according to your or my or anyone's preference. It's nice that they talk to us and fix bugs and even implement feature requests sometimes, but they don't really have to - anymore than you have to buy their products.   

I also find it funny to demand that they 'GIVE US SOME TRUTH' - it sounds like you're already pretty sure what's going on, and anything they said would only be 'TRUTH' to you if it happened to confirm your preformed opinion.  


I do like the sound of Alberton, though, whoever they might be.  


Oh, and Josh is correct - the console isn't locked to the Multidock, it can be floated as a separate view just like always if you like it that way. As can most other things, with the exception of the Synth Rack - which I think should be discretized from the Browser too. 

This is subject is like a dead horse. Once I got used to X1 (been using Sonar since it was called Cakewalk), it's the same old reliable for me.

Sure, did I have to find stuff (like the PROJECT OPTIONS are gone but they are under PREFERENCES now), but actually I think that I am now more productive than I ever was with Sonar 8.5.3.

Just my 2 cents.

Jim

PS - if you don't like it, don't use it.

You don't need to use multiple monitors. You can undock the console by right-clicking on the tab in the multidock selector and choosing 'undock' and it will be in its own window like before, which is what you requested. 

When I referenced your post, in the profile section it said 'Total Posts: 1'. Now it says 2. Sorry for making the assumption, but... it was actually your first post with this profile, so... 

I don't mean to say that you don't necessarily have one or two salient points, but the reality is that this is what CW have done. They did explain fairly clearly in the pre-release marketing stuff that this was a radical change, and the new version number system reflects that. 8.53 was a pretty stable version so if you feel you can't adjust to the new system, you can stick with the old one if it worked well for you. However, they are under no obligation to maintain two streams and I think there's a near-zero chance that they will suddenly decide to do so; it seems a little pointless to keep thrashing that horse. 

X1 is really not all that different under the surface, and many people have adjusted to it easily and well, myself included. I don't mean to belittle the concerns of those who haven't or can't, but I do think there are better things to do than scream and shout about it, such as for instance digging in and getting used to the new system - or a competitor, if you prefer (as you seem to indicate). 

I have been using Cakewalk/Sonar since it was a MIDI sequencer on Windows 3.1!  I really like the Skylight interface in X1 better than any previous versions.  Although there are things that annoy me and things that need to be fixed, I like Sonar's style and it has all the functions most users would need in a professional DAW.

No matter your personal taste, I am kind of surprised by a comparison between Ableton live and Sonar since they are optimized for completely different types of projects.

BenMMusTech

I am not screaming and shouting I am just saying that I like my Violin the way it was, I know all about the Multi Dock but all they have done is added an extra process where once I could press 1,2 or 3 and go to the screen that I wanted, yes I know all about screen sets and all that, once again though I just want my old violin... 

... using all caps is generally viewed as SHOUTING. I did notice that you didn't use any in your last one though. Thanks for that. 


The process of undocking the console from the Multidock should only need to be done once, assuming you save it to your project template(s), or once per project anyway. Then, once again, it will behave exactly as it used to. Really. 


I'm not going to continue arguing this with you beyond that. Music software is not really like a violin, so the metaphor is getting a bit strained. I know what you mean but the situation is what it is, CW have chosen their path and you can choose how to respond to it, and how to spend your energy that gives you the best return. Personally I'm not into tilting at windmills but I have come to accept that it's a big thing for a lot of people. 

mmmmmm...did anyone fall out of bed lately?

Seems that some of us have....I kind of like the new way it is done BUT there are still some issues with it, obviously.

In the noise and bickerfesting between bashers and fanbois...is there a tiny space left for those of us who like it yet can see room for improvement?